Running a Large Guild

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well I recently took over a 1000 man level 25 guild on Ner'zhul (as you can see accumulating a ton of gold is yet another way to advance).

Sponsored By WOTLK (http://www.wowprogress.com/guild/us/ner-zhul/Sponsored+By+WOTLK) (I'm the GM and been so for a few days).

Armory is down so I can't give a link.

Of course I have no idea how to run a guild with other people in it. I did it mainly so I would have all guild perks for my characters (see how fast I will level when I get RAF and have these guild perks).

Anyway the guild was not very active with raids being pugs and I think the reason it always has 1000 members is that anyone can invite anyone lol ... but there does seem to be some (a lot?) of solid level 85 players and I have made 3 of them raid leaders. Of course a lot might quit when they see the change in leadership but as the prior GM logged on once a month or so dosn't seem he really bonded with the membership. Im not planing to raid myself but as the guild with be "The DeathWalker Empire" I don't plan on sitting around like a potted plant eaither. I never heard of a guild that didnt schdual raids.

So what kind of addons should I use for DKP or whatever system is in vogue now and setting raid times and organizing all that and some kind of software or addon to have a forum or some way to communicate with members that isnt the MOTD?

EGPG seems popular for the DKP system; and

http://www.wowwiki.com/Guild_website_utilities

has a long list of website stuffs. I don't want to mix my personal web site with the guild site so I'll host it somewhere else. Anyone have experience with these guild website ultities?

Anyway what are people here using in their guilds or guilds they are in?

[zenga]

You should ask your members to post pictures of themselves in leather pants, and make everyone that does an officer.

[Tonuss]

Of course I have no idea how to run a guild with other people in it. I did it mainly so I would have all guild perks for my characters (see how fast I will level when I get RAF and have these guild perks).
Well, what do you want out of the guild aside from the leveling perks? Let the guild know and be ready for the potential hassles that come with it. I would say that if all you want is the perks, let everyone know that as far as you are concerned, it is a social/leveling guild. If they want to organize raids or groups, that's great, but let them know that you're not going to deal with drama or get involved in disputes. Otherwise you might find yourself spending a heck of a lot of time dealing with interpersonal gripes instead of actually playing the game.

Most guilds of that size are the type that you described, where they'll invite anyone and everyone. Some of those guilds can support a raiding team or two, but in general they tend to be a huge hassle if you try to create any sort of organization or structure.

[Oatboat]

I'd just kick everyone out. that way you just dont have to worry about it and you have a level 25 guild with vault :)

[Starbuck_Jones]

A guild like that is just a leveling farm, leave it as it is and people will continue to invite new toons and alts to benefit from all the perks and they will leave to find a better guild. If you are trying to change things, then reward the 85's who are on with promotions, gold, and bank access. Guilds like this run themselves. If there are 10 people who want to raid, they will set it up themselves.

[Apps]

I'd just kick everyone out. that way you just dont have to worry about it and you have a level 25 guild with vault :)


A guild like that is just a leveling farm, leave it as it is and people will continue to invite new toons and alts to benefit from all the perks and they will leave to find a better guild. If you are trying to change things, then reward the 85's who are on with promotions, gold, and bank access. Guilds like this run themselves. If there are 10 people who want to raid, they will set it up themselves.


This and or this...

Who cares!? Its a video game. You dont owe these people jack. They arent paying your monthly subs. Rule how you see fit. Boot em all, or leave it alone is my suggestion. If you "try" to be a GM of established bullshit and drama, then thats all you'll get... BS and drama.
Been there, done that.

[Oatboat]

Well the only perk about keeping people in there that i wouldnt mind would be the guild challenges that get met and you get free Guild gold. So thats one bonus.

[Sam DeathWalker]

I got what I want from the guild aready (bank is closed and only used by me, but I do give officers the guild repair thing) and the perks.

Still Im not going to sit and do nothing, a guild that raids by pugs? What is that. What do real guilds do for organizaed raids?

Im not going to get involved in all the problems myself but I want to appoint some raid leaders and let them handle that, but what addons or software do the real guilds use to set up raids? And dont guilds have a forum for discussions? We had one in Hate (EQ) when I was a member for a short time.

[Apps]

I got what I want from the guild aready (bank is closed and only used by me, but I do give officers the guild repair thing) and the perks.

Still Im not going to sit and do nothing, a guild that raids by pugs? What is that. What do real guilds do for organizaed raids?

Im not going to get involved in all the problems myself but I want to appoint some raid leaders and let them handle that, but what addons or software do the real guilds use to set up raids? And dont guilds have a forum for discussions? We had one in Hate (EQ) when I was a member for a short time.

Seriously, I think you are making a mistake.

Yet, Ill answer your question.

Hard Core Raiding guilds...Use

DBM Addon
Threat meter Addon (like OMEN)
DPS Meter Addon (like Recount)
Magic alert Addons (like Decursive)
Healing target to target Addon (like Voodoo)
Gear management Addon (like WebDKP) - You may or may not choose to use the actual point system, to reward loyalty to the guild and raid on time prepairedness, however, this is entirely up to you... only the top 5 guilds on servers actually employ this portion of the addon. Most use it to track gear, and whos getting what only.

Use the ingame guild calendar to schedule raids and raid invites.

Dont rely on a guild webiste for communication, people quit doing that 2 yrs ago. You are ingame, communicate there. Important stuff goes in guild calendar, or guild notes.

Schedule weekly or bi-weekly meetings with your officers to ensure there is steady progression.
Perhaps assign general glass leaders.. I.e. a Tank Leader, who is most knowledgable about druids, pallies, DKs, warriors, etc... and has tanked most every boss in the game, knows all strats from tanking perspective.

You will want to also assign someone to handle the Raid consumables. Usually the Raid leader will appoint this person.. (I.e. someone to ensure they have mats for flasks, enchants, gems, access to Epic BoE patterns or items from guild ban
k etc..)


Regressing... you really are fine with the PuG situation right now. Honestly, it IS better for your healers to LEARN their tanks, and vise versa... However, now a days, Blizzard has almost removed the full MMO interaction from the game, so you can just pick up a few PuGs and continue to roll over stuff.

[Khatovar]

You appointed raid leaders, let them figure it out. I mean, you have no intention of raiding and you're just using the guild for perks and the bank, why impose all sorts of plans for an established guild when you aren't even going to be an active part of it? Maybe there's a 1000 people in the guild because they don't want to be bothered with structured raiding and srs wow bzns.

[cmeche]

All depends which way you want to go.
If you want the guild to grow(and raid), going to have to "give out" some good reasons to join your guild...gold, repair bill, perks.
I see alot of people jumping ship by just hearing about the leadership change....good or bad.

Any insight on the cost of ownership? I see guilds for sale all the time but not sure what a "casual" lvl 25 guild sales for. Great acquisition for a boxer!

[Apps]

Great question cmeche. I want to know too.

[Tsumi]

You appointed raid leaders, let them figure it out. I mean, you have no intention of raiding and you're just using the guild for perks and the bank, why impose all sorts of plans for an established guild when you aren't even going to be an active part of it? Maybe there's a 1000 people in the guild because they don't want to be bothered with structured raiding and srs wow bzns.

I agree with what Khatovar said. The raid leaders should do just that, assemble a raid team and lead them. Provide them the tools via guild leadership controls to do their jobs and let them raid. They should be able to handle recruiting and developing new raiders if need be.

I've been in huge non raiding casual guilds in the past and you will find that most of the people in those type of guilds are there for the perks and the freedom to do whatever they want when they want. If they end up wanting to raid they can speak to the raid leaders and figure out what they need to do to raid. Otherwise they will just keep on doing what they always have been doing.

I would love to get leadership of a high level guild just for perks as well!

[Alemi]

I mean, you have no intention of raiding and you're just using the guild for perks and the bank, why impose all sorts of plans for an established guild when you aren't even going to be an active part of it?

^

You're not going to be doing it, why are you going to tell others how to set up their raids and what addons they have to use? What if they just want to use loot council, or /roll for it. Who are you to tell them how they should raid?

You're the guild leader. That and a buck will get you something off the dollar menu at McDonalds.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well its not as easy as it seems the first sale was disaster. Guy sold me a guild for 275K (level25 but fewer members) then next day I asked what to do with the junk in the bank and he said give it to him. As we clearing out the bank some other member reports us for "guild bank theft" my guy gets 24 hour banned. I come back and guy that reported us is Guild Leader. I fire off to CS that they cost me 275,000 gold, they spend 2 hours getting me all the money back and banning the guy that sold me the guild (for "guild distruction").

On this one, armed with better knowledge, this guy never let anyone have bank access. Gave me guild for 250K (plus I going to pay some guy 20K also). I made it so no one could even see what was in the guild bank. Didn't do anything for a day or two. Put up a MOTD that I'm the new GM, will rename the guild and if anyone had monies in guild bank or items I would refund. Things still smooth.

250K is a lot but a level 25 guild is a lot also, those perks are really really going to cut my leveling time. That level 21 perk summon all raid or group members (and it works for each character you have) is a boxers dream. Just have some low level alts whereever you want to go and bang all yur guys are there.

He offered it for 160K by the way but I told him I would pay 250K to make the deal go faster, it was just to perfect with 1000 members and the big fact he never let anyone have bank access.


Thanks for the list of addons, I guess Ill look more into the in game stuffs and forget about a web site.


My advise is if you buy a guild, have one account the GM, have another account (best not on the same bn account) with a low level character clear the bank, that way if the low level gets banned your main is still GM. Or just prohibit deposits and let everyone have access to the items and gold and say that they have 2 weeks to get whatever they want.

[Tonuss]

250k for a level 25 guild sounds like a bargain to me. Especially with that many characters. If a decent percentage of the characters are active the guild bank could make a lot gold from the 10% generated from looting mobs and from completing some of the weekly guild challenges.

[Sajuuk]

Loot systems are terrible.

[Ashley]

DKP lol.

I ain't used DKP since vanilla.

[Zub]

if you aren't going to raid yourself, don't impose your raiding rules. Heck, don't even make suggestions.
Appoint a couple leaders here and there, and let them do the work. Otherwise, you'll just make all the bad decisions.

1000 members, don't change ANYTHING.
As said before, since you're getting everything you want from the guild (perks, and free gold from members activity) why fix somethign that ain't broke?
Just keep advertising yourself as an open level 25 levelling guild, and you'll see a constant flow of lowbies joining, and hibies leaving, with a small core of hi leveles sticking there because they now know each other and do stuff together.

I guess now that you're in a level 25 guild, you're going to level REALLY quick aren't you. particularly if you take a new (3rd?) RAF. *giggles*

[MiRai]

hibies
I applaud you, sir. I couldn't figure that one out at first.

[Zub]

I applaud you, sir. I couldn't figure that one out at first.
lol i was smiling as i wrote it :-)

you hibie, you.

[daviddoran]

It would seem that the initial confusion could have been avoided simply by informing the guild of the change in leadership, and that the clearing of the guild bank was going to the old GM (who should have thought of that in the first place, but he was probably with a gold craze at seeing the huge sum of gold he'd get.)

There are a ton of these types of guilds, they got to lvl 25 by sheer volume of people. There's a ton of people who start new toons, and tons of lower lvl guilds spamming invites, and a bunch of them are just doing it for the perks as well, get to 85 then quit to join their preferred raiding/PvP guild, since guild rep is easier to earn at max level anyway.

IMO just watch how much gold goes out to guild repairs, vs how much gets put in from guild challenges, and loot. If it's making a steady income, consider "promotions" like letting another guild rank get guild funded repairs, if they hit a quota of dungeon runs per week, or something like that.

[Apps]

Loot systems are terrible.

No doubt. I hate them. Really I find the best method of looting, is to use Blizzards UI roller, and let the RL set the loot settings. They all suck.


DKP lol.

I ain't used DKP since vanilla.

Actually, DKP is still very much alive and rolling in Very serious end game hard core raiding guilds... typically the top 3 you can guarantee use a form of DKP or HPEP or even some alteration of the DKP system.
Definitely 95% of the guilds out there dont use this anymore, for various reasons. The main one being, so many people are "instant gratification, loot please" wrath mentality, that they arent willing to put in effort or loyalty to obtain it... thumbs up for todays youth.

Anne E. Way, my point was even those 5% that do still use it, dont use the full extent of the DKP software and loot databases anymore. Its more for tracking who got what, especially when doing loot council stuff.

I seriously doubt Sam will enforce this, and remain to advise against it regardless.

[Catamer]

I guess it all boils down to ... do you want to raid... with others.

if you do, schedule a few events and see who joins you. You have the advantage of being able to fill a few empty slots with your extra characters so in theory you should always be able to run an event. Per say some raid events are going to be extremely hard to multibox. What I hated most about raiding was people not showing up and having to PUG for extras. Raiding when everyone shows up on time is a blast, raiding when people quit showing up sucks.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well I am paying for repairs for all level 85's (bank got 1000g from some kind of challege) and we have like 300 or more level 85's and yet have not gotten enough guys together to do even one raid this week. None of my guys are 85 so I can't raid anyways (well not the raids that count).

A Bunch of people left and I had to kick like 50 who were inactive for over a month and under level 55 so as to make room for new members as we are still at 1000 members. Anytime someone leaves someone invites a new person .....

Ya its like true that no one in the guild knows anyone else. One raid leader left, probabaly out of frustration of not being able to get 10 guys out of 300 to raid lol ... And guild chat is almost always dead cept when I come online.

Otherwise though everything is great none problems loosing the guild and some are even impressed when I tell them "just google Sam DeathWalker" when they ask who I am.

The in game calandar and announcements are good enough to set up a raid I guess, none of the addons I saw were very helpful for setting up a raid.

One guy wanted the raid leader job but I told him no bank access but that Ill be paying for all repairs and that he should take the extra lootz that none wanted and buy flasks and stuffs with it but he said we can't advance that way (I have like 100K worth of items in the bank). I could make one tab open but I know I will forget and goof it up and lose 60K of stuffs.

Still if we keep getting more level 85s then we lose (which is the case since I took over) I think a raiding core will slowly build up. A level 25 guild with free repairs is attractive enough for raiders I thinks.

[Daeri]

It looks like your guild really is a lot of small independent groups of people under the same name. This will make it very difficult to even get a subset of people to raid together because they'll never feel a sense of community in such an ant farm. Usually the people who complain the most and prevent projects from going well are those who aren't even involved in any way..

In our guild, what really helped us getting started when we built our first roster was our web forum. You can think and debate about stuff without having to put an appointment first, write detailed reports so that everyone knows what has been decided so far, see what times and days people are available for raiding, organize and set up rules. People who didn't really care about raiding didn't visit the forum anyway.

Why kick all characters that hasn't been logged in for over a month ? Many people have alts they don't play everyday (not to mention every few months), I don't see the harm here unless there's a kind of limit ?

[moosejaw]

I think there is a 1000 limit on guild size. He booted those people to make room for active hibies. :)

[daanji]

250K? Damn.

On my server someone sold a Level 25 guild for 10K. It had no members left though as the guild had fallen apart.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Ya there is a 1000 member limit.

[Shania]

This thread caught my attention as on my realm there is someone trying to sell their lvl 25 Guild for 85k has around 270 members or so.

I wouldnt mind buying it, but im wondering what would happen to my gold and the guild if i bought it, if i was scammed somehow by the player.

Do I get all the gold back ? This guy has been the GM only for a few days, and I am unsure in how he got the guild, unless he owned it on a diff toon/account and transfered leadership to an alt and made it look like a different person/new member.


umm
Put up a MOTD that I'm the new GM, will rename the guild
You cant rename a guild, no feature added in wow at this point in time

[Svpernova09]

umm
You cant rename a guild, no feature added in wow at this point in time

You can Petition a GM to force a guild name change.

[Sam DeathWalker]

From what I read in a few months they will allow guild name changes for rl cash.

Well I was able to have both guys turn the GM to me before I gave then the gold, as I could show them I am a "known" player.

Once you have the title its hard to lose it if you don't touch the guild bank or kick anyone from the guild, or do something against guild interested, if no one complains you are OK.

You can't really get scammed unless of course you hand him the gold first and he dosn't give you the GM title. Make a lot of Screen Shots.

Because its not against the ToS Blizzard should be able to help you out if there is a scam involved but I wouldn't count on it 100 percent.

[MiRai]

You can't really get scammed unless of course you hand him the gold first and he dosn't give you the GM title. Make a lot of Screen Shots.
Any GM that assists in any issue that someone has is not allowed to look at any type of user created logs,
screenshots, videos, etc to help them make their decision. Blizzard has their own logs that they use to make
decisions. This has been the policy for quite some time and I highly doubt it is going to change anytime soon.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Very true but when you submit a ticket they do have a method to attach files and screen shots. No doubt though they will go by their own records.

[EaTCarbS]

Very true but when you submit a ticket they do have a method to attach files and screen shots.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/entries/icons/original/000/005/545/OpoQQ.jpg?1302279173

[MiRai]

Very true but when you submit a ticket they do have a method to attach files and screen shots. No doubt though they will go by their own records.
Sooooo... if you knew it was true then you shouldn't have posted misleading information saying to take screen
shots for proof.


wtfface.jpg
The web form allows you to attach files to tickets.

[ebony]

A guild like that is just a leveling farm, leave it as it is and people will continue to invite new toons and alts to benefit from all the perks and they will leave to find a better guild. If you are trying to change things, then reward the 85's who are on with promotions, gold, and bank access. Guilds like this run themselves. If there are 10 people who want to raid, they will set it up themselves.

do this keep all the gold they give you for peeks players will be in a 25 guild for it and they will give u exta 10% 1000g+ a week going on how many players are looting. if they QQ saying i put x money in then so them the door a lot will not care for the peeks kick loads of guilds like this and they use the officer chat as the real guild chat and just use the guild as a levelling farm

[Sam DeathWalker]

The Screen Shots help clarify the issue so they can track down the information in their logs faster. Obviously if you can save them some time it is to your advantage. Plus you yourself might forget some details (like spelling the name of all these guys that have umlaut character codes in their names) before you place your ticket.

Of course if the logs show that there is some discrepency in the Screen Shots they will use their logs.

I sent them Screen Shots. Why would you be foolish enough to have no evidence at all to support your position? But of course we all know that SS can be faked easy.

Over 300 level 85's and still not a single raid (although we seem to do the 7 dungeons ok).

[Zub]

The Screen Shots help clarify the issue so they can track down the information in their logs faster. Obviously if you can save them some time it is to your advantage. Plus you yourself might forget some details (like spelling the name of all these guys that have umlaut character codes in their names) before you place your ticket.

Of course if the logs show that there is some discrepency in the Screen Shots they will use their logs.

I sent them Screen Shots. Why would you be foolish enough to have no evidence at all to support your position? But of course we all know that SS can be faked easy.

Over 300 level 85's and still not a single raid (although we seem to do the 7 dungeons ok).
just curious, out of the 1000 in guild, how many have logged, say, in the last 7 days?
that amount of people must generate a nice cash flow with the 10% guild perk

[Sam DeathWalker]

There is between 30-40 every time I log in during prime time, ya with the 250 gold per dungon and the 10percent the bank is plus 1600 after a week including all the repairs monies.

[Pallarfo]

Thats not that much regarding the amount of people online.
Dungeons x7 and the 10% of the loot - repaircosts (everybody) our guild is around +/- 2000 each week.
Do they loot ?

[ebony]

you can do raids with a group of level 80's/70 if you still got a set of 80's as long as there level 80 you can get the dungon thing. at the end of WOTLK i could easy 5 man os with the ads down and to be fair the 500g be great just all my 80's are like 82 to and it don't work. might even level a group to 80 and stop there xp. for this as the guild am in nerver do the raid as well

[Tonuss]

Still if we keep getting more level 85s then we lose (which is the case since I took over) I think a raiding core will slowly build up. A level 25 guild with free repairs is attractive enough for raiders I thinks.
I'm not so sure about that.

If all you're offering is to cover repair costs, you might be able to support the occasional PUG raid, where people are expected to bring their own buffs and there aren't such rigid compliance checks. But I doubt that a steady group will form that will tackle current content with any regularity or success. In the event that it does, it probably wouldn't be long before they went somewhere else.

I may be wrong, but I can't imagine a situation where a solid raid group would form and stay together under those circumstances.

[Sam DeathWalker]

What else would they expect, they get all the lootz of course, and can use the extra to sell to pay for flasks and what not.

What guild leaders pay people to raid?

[Xinxo]

Generally you don't pay them anything.. They raid to have fun.

[Molson]

Greetings,

I just wanted to say that I recently bought a lvl 14 guild that was close to lvl 15. I paid 14k,which was way less than I thought the guild was worth. It has 5 tabs, and it had 1k in the guild bank, so all in all I think I got a deal.

The guild s pretty much dead though. It had over 100 members. I kicked about 30 that had not been on in forever. Only about 10 players actively log in, and no one complained that the GM changed hands. Since buying the guild my chars have probably done about 5mil guild xp, and it was only a little over a week ago that I bought.

I don't have a full 5 man multibox team yet, I am still leveling up my team.

I was curious, should I get more people, or just level it up myself? I figure once I get 2-3 teams at lvl 80 with my RAF, I should be able to at least get 5 levels in the guild by doing 80-85 questing with those teams.

Also props to the OP for being so damn rich. I am pretty recently returned to the game and feel I can start raking in the cash once I have a good 5 man multi going :)

[RSM72]

I gave up on leveling my guild alone with my boxing teams at level 11 and started inviting people. Guild is level 19 now and still growing and going. Some things like bank tab #8 (have each possible race and class combination leveled to 85) are alot easier to achive with more members. On top of that its somewhat relaxing not having to go for the guildxp cap each day.

[EaTCarbS]

I gave up on leveling my guild alone with my boxing teams at level 11 and started inviting people. Guild is level 19 now and still growing and going. Some things like bank tab #8 (have each possible race and class combination leveled to 85) are alot easier to achive with more members. On top of that its somewhat relaxing not having to go for the guildxp cap each day.

I just joined a guild instead of trying to level my personal tag. No regrets (top horde progression on the server with kickass people.)

[Sam DeathWalker]

This is really new for me but we are just starting to get a core group of raiders. The raid leader has lots of boss kills and we (well not me but my guild) do raids but with only about half guild members so they aren't guild raids yet.

But all new people coming into the guild want to raid and aparently the guild was a known raiding guild back in wothlk and sooner and some people remember that, although it does seem that current people are all farmers.

We are up to 480 level 85's (its went up since I took over my spamming trade for new members works) we lose 2-3 a day but also gain 2-3 a day plus we get those in the guild who level up and hit 85, they ususaly stay as they are getting guild rep while leveling, but they don't seem to want to raid.

I am sure we will be the first guild on the server with 500 level 85 members. I think that is something in itself. But again we never have more then 35-40 total online at any one time, still it gets better daily and having 20-30 level 85s online each night is nice and the guild chat isnt completly dead like it was. I was able to talk with 2 people who left, one left cause his friend invited him into his guild but was happy with my guild and another left cause "to many kids" and took his 5 alts with him .... well its expected that there will be turnover in a guild this size.

Iv put like 3K into the guild bank for repairs this month, as monies is coming in from dungeon runs and looting; so even with 30g a day plus for repairs for all the level 85s there is some funds in the bank.

Ya I was in a guild briefly in EQ (Hate) but never really did well so being able to run a guild is a step up for me for sure.

And I can see where I will be able to do raids (Im the guy the appoints the raid leaders so I guess Ill be invited lol) and heroics with my guys when they hit 85. Though not sure if I can box or not but I can gear my tank for sure.

A lot of people don't raid cause they say they can get good enough items without raiding, I guess its not like EQ at all where there is a huge difference between raiders and non raiders gear wise, but I knew that already.

Woot just logged in to find we did our first Guild Raid Killz. The first two boss in BoT (normaL) down!


Anyone know of a easy way to see who in the guild has high guild rep. Im not finding addons to show that.



"To win at PvP you have to win at PvE" SDW 2011.

[Aesthier]

Check out the armory for your guild.

Go to roster and click the "achievement points" drop down on the top right corner and set it to Guild Activity.

While this will not show you their faction (you have to check each individual for that) you can see who has contributed the most Points to the guild by looking under the "lifetime" column.

[Sam DeathWalker]

I just bought yet another guild, for 90K.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/guild/nerzhul/Reality/roster?sort=rank&dir=a

This one has a lot of higher ilevel members in it. I guess they do hard mode heriocs and pvp as they havn't got much for raid achivments but they have a lot of guys with high ilevel gear.

Its like 500 members with like 300 level 85's, I think they have membership requiremnts unlike the other which anyone could join.

I have no idea what I am going to do with this guild but 90K is nothing to me .... The price was so resonable that I just couldn't walk away, I wasnt even looking to buy.

Between the two guilds I have like 800 level 85's "under" me .....

The negotations on this one was way harder, he never heard of me so he wanted me to pay in advance, I never heard of him so I didnt want to pay in advance, I paid him 1/2 up front and the rest after he made me GM.

They only have 5 tabs in bank lol ... But the bank was full of items.

Now do I ask members from one guild to help the other? Do I schdual raids with both for the same times? Maybe the 2nd guild no one raids on purpose they are pvping.

[MiRai]

In the first guild you obtained, you were thrown into the position of GM without having been in any real
guild prior to that for any real length of time and you have no idea what this game expects from people end
game. You asked for advice and people gave it. However, a position of leadership is not something you can
just jump into after reading an 8 page instruction booklet on it and be "good to go".

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/514NOeMAxKL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg
(Perhaps I was wrong)

Now, you've acquired yet another guild and are in over your head since the people in this new guild
actually do things at level 85. I think your best bet might be to create some sort of guild council in order to
hold things together because if I was in a guild where the GM sold the rest of us to some random person
who didn't know anything about end game (and now I'm expected to listen to this guy?) ... I would just go
find another guild.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Ya on the 2nd guild I dont really plan to do much, they seem to be doing fine without my input. Iv kept everything the same except I took away everyones ability to kick others.

Why would I give advise on something I don't know about? Im getting an idea of the raid progession though but as to the actual battles I just defer to the "raid leader". In the first guild we have like 13 or 15 people who can lead raids I just tell people go talk to them if someone has a progression question.

Basically in the first guild I just recruit and offer gold to anyone who does a FL raid (10K for our first one). We had 440 level 85 when I took over the first guild and there are 487 as of today. A bunch quit cause I wouldnt kick some guy telling everyone how bad they play in chat (he made a big deal about a frost DK who wanted to dual weild instead of 2H as tank), then he quits and turns out he is in the new guild lol, but he not say much in the new guild chat though.

I only kick people if they are inactive, if people are playing who cares what they do or say.

Im not really a "active" GM, I dont raid (no level 85 toons), I just make sure everything is going ok. Pay for the Caulderons and keep some gold in the bank for repairs (1K a week or so).

Ya the 2nd guild seems hard core players whereas the first is casuals. And yet neither seem to raid FL lol ...

There seems no simple way to merge the two guilds as they are dissimilar.


Now thats not to say I am never going to know raiding but it takes a lot of time, as you know, reading EJ to max everything and watiching videos of fight stratagies and reading about the fights. I have to get all my guys to 85 before I even attempt that. The good thing about boxing a lot of characters is that I dont have to be doing 100percent with each; even if I am doing 70 percent with each I am still doiing great.

Its not I am completely unknowledgable:

http://www.thesteelwarrior.org/forum/showthread.php?t=16755

[RobinGBrown]

Why would I give advise on something I don't know about?

Never stopped you in the past, but maybe you've turned over a new leaf

[Zub]

Never stopped you in the past, but maybe you've turned over a new leaf

Definitely. no more 'biggest mass boxer' (too hard)...
'Biggest Guild master' instead! Woohoo 800 under me ;-)


btw i'm coining the terms Mass Master and Guild Masster

[daanji]

Sam, get to level 85 already with all your toons.

Or is this expansion going to end and you'll barely be level 85. Just like last expansion.

What is the point of having 36 accounts that are not even close to max level?

I say this because I love you and want to see Level 85 pwnage videos :)

[Sam DeathWalker]

Ya the first guild was for the goal of getting my guys to 85, with level 25 perks thats gonna help a lot.

Ill be the 2nd biggest mass boxer .... well I kinda am but my guys aren't high enough to really count.

[zenga]

One day, ... when blizzard decides to stop releasing new expansions, sam d will catch up with the player base at the max level cap.

[Tonuss]

I have no idea what I am going to do with this guild but 90K is nothing to me ....
You're like those rich guys that keep buying expensive cars. :eek:

[dancook]

Sam, how did you make all this gold without lvl 85s?

Have you been sitting on the AH for months?

[Ughmahedhurtz]

You're like those rich guys that keep buying expensive cars. :eek:

Was there a point in there somewhere? Maybe I'm just tired and not seeing it.

[daanji]

Have you been sitting on the AH for months?

Well, that would explain why he isn't 85 yet on any of his toons.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Ya just making truegold on 8 guys a night and darkmoon cards with 2 millers (1-2 hours a night).

My seller has 4.4 Million in sales on him (course I had to buy like 3 million of herbs and whatnot).

Looks like we found something for people to spend gold on heh ....

[Littleburst]

Looks like we found something for people to spend gold on heh ....

Trolololol?

We being the community of 2009?

[Tonuss]

Was there a point in there somewhere? Maybe I'm just tired and not seeing it.
Nope, just a whimsical observation.

[Sam DeathWalker]

We being those of us who have so much gold that we lament "There is nothing worthwhile to spend my gold on!".

Just start buying up guilds.


We just got our website (some other guy doing all the layout and stuffs, cost me 8.99 a month seems resonable I guess)

http://sponsoredbywotlk.guildomatic.com/

[Masochisto]

Don't mistake holding the GM rank in game with being the GM of the guild. People won't follow you because of the rank you bought, and they will not do something just because you asked them to for free guild repairs.

If you truely want to lead a progression raiding guild you cannot really go about it the way you have.

A guild is like a "brand" or a sports team.

By buying the guild you have bypassed some people that felt that they (or one of their peers) should have been promoted to GM based on dedication to the guild or performance in the past. This means many of the players most loyal to the team in the past will not be loyal to the new incarnarnation of the guild. Members of the guilds previous raid teams are mot likely among these players, and they have most likely already left

By isolating the guild bank for your personal use you have communicatd to the guild that your personal needs are more important to you than the logistical needs of the guild. Regardless of how useful you may feel a guild bank is or is not to a raid team, the message you sent is strong and clear.

By proposing to rename the guild after yourself you have reinforced the message above - but also clearly indicatedt that the brand of the guild and the history of the guild are not important to you.

You will not find a strong raid leader willing to build a progression raid group in your honor. I commend you for playing the game how you want to play it and enjoying yourself; but don't make the mistake of thinking that you hold any claim on the members of the guilds you have bought. Membership loyalty has to be earned.

[Gomotron]

Don't mistake holding the GM rank in game with being the GM of the guild. People won't follow you because of the rank you bought, and they will not do something just because you asked them to for free guild repairs.

If you truely want to lead a progression raiding guild you cannot really go about it the way you have.

A guild is like a "brand" or a sports team.

By buying the guild you have bypassed some people that felt that they (or one of their peers) should have been promoted to GM based on dedication to the guild or performance in the past. This means many of the players most loyal to the team in the past will not be loyal to the new incarnarnation of the guild. Members of the guilds previous raid teams are mot likely among these players, and they have most likely already left

By isolating the guild bank for your personal use you have communicatd to the guild that your personal needs are more important to you than the logistical needs of the guild. Regardless of how useful you may feel a guild bank is or is not to a raid team, the message you sent is strong and clear.

By proposing to rename the guild after yourself you have reinforced the message above - but also clearly indicatedt that the brand of the guild and the history of the guild are not important to you.

You will not find a strong raid leader willing to build a progression raid group in your honor. I commend you for playing the game how you want to play it and enjoying yourself; but don't make the mistake of thinking that you hold any claim on the members of the guilds you have bought. Membership loyalty has to be earned.

Interesting first post.

I think that anyone who has interacted with SamD in the past has gotten to the point of just :rolleyes: at this point, mainly because SamD is mostly resistant to any suggestions made by others. Which also begs the question of why he asks for advice to begin with when he ignores most of it.

That said, I agree that your points are valid with respect to renaming the guild and also by isolating the guild bank.

[Masochisto]

Interesting first post.

Thanks, I am actually a really old member that hasn't be active on the forum in years nad forgot his account info :-). I first joined and posted way back when Xzin had his great post on his hardward boxing setup. My account seemed to have been lost or closed when the forum move occurred last year, and I've just been too lazy since...

I'm actually familiar with Sam from his EQ boxing days, and his initial posts on this forum also. This particular post just struck a nerve enough that I registered a new account to respond :-)

[Gomotron]

Thanks, I am actually a really old member that hasn't be active on the forum in years nad forgot his account info :-). I first joined and posted way back when Xzin had his great post on his hardward boxing setup. My account seemed to have been lost or closed when the forum move occurred last year, and I've just been too lazy since...

I'm actually familiar with Sam from his EQ boxing days, and his initial posts on this forum also. This particular post just struck a nerve enough that I registered a new account to respond :-)

Welcome back!

[Sam DeathWalker]

All that is true enough, but the simple problem is that people in this guild dont seem to want to raid. I'v even offered 2K for each person who does our first successful FL boss kill.

Its not me or not me, cause those who didn't care for me leading the guild have long since quit. Keep in mind there never was a "raiding core" in the guild it was all a bunch of farmers and the prior GM just used the guild to get as much gold out of it that he could (he raided in another guild....). He also didnt allow guild bank access. Obviously I am concerned about helping the guild that will have my name on it but ya I need the bank for my own purposes. I really dont see what is missing by not having the bank given I pay for the calderons of battle by giving the materials to the alch who can make them. And I pay for the repairs.

New people have come in and they are hot to raid when they join but then raids and schdualed and few show up. Some say they dont have enough ilevel to raid FL, others say no time that day due to rl commitments, others are doing some other things. No one in the guild seems to have a clear idea of why we dont seem to be able to get enough online at one time to raid. Although some have said not having any requirments makes it to casual for hard core raiders.

The simple fact is that all the old people in the guild are just not raiders or not interested in raiding. The new people I bring in though are up for raiding, in fact a 381 warrior just joined who is 7/7 in FL normal. So we will See, clearly it takes time to build up a 10 man core who shows up every night.

I am really miffed that we got up to 492 level 85's then fell back to 485 again .... I want to make a big annoucement about being first guild with 500 level 85's.

Its ok though although not moving forward as fast as anyone would like the new members replace the old members so there isnt any loss. We have vent, and a website, so things are better then they were under the old leader.

The other guild (reality) the PvP guild just runs itself, I pop in say hi, no one responds and I log out. The already have their 2x and 3x teams and there is really nothing for me to do. They have bank access and there is a bunch of stuff there but I just let it sit.

[MiRai]

I want to make a big annoucement about being first guild with 500 level 85's.
I'll assume you're talking about your own realm but...

...Ruinous on Kil'Jaeden has over 900 level 85's (http://us.battle.net/wow/en/guild/kiljaeden/Ruinous/roster?page=1&dir=a&sort=lvl), and that's just one of their guilds. They have at least 3
guilds total in a joint alliance across the realm with many more level 85's at their disposal.

[Zub]

So how exactly would you prove that you'd be the first guild with 500 level 85? And how is that even remotely important if that guild cant even kill one raid boss?
Nevermind, i remember now, quantity vs quality ;-)

The more I read your posts the more i wonder what you suffered in your life to develop such a misplaced superiority complex. What are you really trying to prove Mr Ferris? :-)

[Khatovar]

2000g is nothing and wouldn't even remotely be worth my time as a tradeoff for mucking through what is nothing more than a PuG raid. Except when you PuG and the group you're with blows, you can leave and never have to deal with them again. In this case, if it blows, they still gotta deal with these same people because they're in your guild.

People come into a guild as a raider with the expectation to raid, not to fumble through the masses of BS to do all the work setting up a raid force. I can't blame them.

[Masochisto]

I'd suggest ignoring raiding until you can be personally involved. Once you can be involved you can take ownership of it and do what is necessary to attract raiders. It all comes down to the raid leader; and raid leading takes much more than having cleared all the fights. You really need someone that is great at playing their class and spec, great at communication, and great at handling people. These players are particularly rare.

[Oatboat]

I've personally funded 3 epic flying toons just from the extra gold thats put into GB from looting.

Not sure what that has to do with the raiding part... but as part as leading... its nice ;)

[Sam DeathWalker]

I'll assume you're talking about your own realm but...

...Ruinous on Kil'Jaeden has over 900 level 85's (http://us.battle.net/wow/en/guild/kiljaeden/Ruinous/roster?page=1&dir=a&sort=lvl), and that's just one of their guilds. They have at least 3
guilds total in a joint alliance across the realm with many more level 85's at their disposal.


Rats .... Oh well ....

[Gomotron]

Rats .... Oh well ....

Sam, I'm not trying to be an arse, but if you really pride yourself on being first in WoW in ANYTHING, you're going to have to buckle down, pick your target, and devote full time 24/7 to it.

As it is, you are a little behind time-wise from folks who have been playing this game for a long while before you started. That means that you are going to have to put in an insane amount of effort to be first at anything. From what I've seen thus far from you, you have unbridled enthusiasm but are a little too ADD to actually have a worldwide first in anything.

If you really want to do it, you have to pick your goal and then knuckle down and get it done. And that goes for developing a group of core raiders for your guild as well.

[drarkan]

Oh yeah, well I have a guild with 5 players, all mine! MUAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Zub]

Oh yeah, well I have a guild with 5 players, all mine! MUAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Maybe you're the FIRST GUILD WITH 100% level 85! WooHoo

[Sam DeathWalker]

I think I am the first to have over 20 and over 30 characters in the game at the same time.

I started a few months before prepared.

And I dont know but is 4.3 million sold on one guy anywhere near a record?

My goal is most 85s in the game at the same time, if I get all 31 up in level. Not sure where prepared is right now.

[Zub]

I was the first one to ever have 2x level 24, 1x level 26 and x2 level 28 logged AT THE SAME TIME. beat that

[daanji]

I don't think Sam realizes people are trolling him.

[Zub]

My goal is most 85s in the game at the same time, if I get all 31 up in level. Not sure where prepared is right now.
You got about a year before the cap is increased to 90

[Tonuss]

My goal is most 85s in the game at the same time, if I get all 31 up in level. Not sure where prepared is right now.
Based on his plans to 40-box AV, he must have at least 40 level 85 characters.

[Ualaa]

My goal is most 85s in the game at the same time, if I get all 31 up in level. Not sure where prepared is right now.

On the MB.com site, he has mentioned getting 40 level 85's into the same Alterac Valley battle only four times so far.
So he has at least 40 toons who are 85th now.

His composition is:
5 Shamans, 6 Mages, 5 DKs, 4 Hunters, 5 Paladins, 5 Priests, 4 Druids, 3 Warlocks, 2 Warriors, 1 Rogue

He mentions having 32 Shammies, at level 71 as well.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Ya he got 40 in 4 times ..... and won the last time.

Dang .... looks like my goal is 2nd place .... bleh.


Ya he gave up on shammies as did I:

Ill be:

1 Prot Pal (tank)
18 Fire Mage (duh)
3 Warlock (ritual of summoning / offtank) /now that I have level 25 guild perks might not need ros so might make 2nd prot pal and 2 more mages/
6 Resto Shaman (healing)
1 Priest (mass dispel)
1 Rogue (stealth targeting of enemies, locks)
1 DK (death grip) /kinda wondering on this also.... given I am fire mage for 40 yard killz why DG?/


How many times do you think you need off tanking anyways?
Maybe I just junk all the warlocks for mages .... and keep the DK as off tank.

[Zub]

Ya he got 40 in 4 times ..... and won the last time.

Dang .... looks like my goal is 2nd place .... bleh.


Ya he gave up on shammies as did I:

Ill be:

1 Prot Pal (tank)
18 Fire Mage (duh)
3 Warlock (ritual of summoning / offtank) /now that I have level 25 guild perks might not need ros so might make 2nd prot pal and 2 more mages/
6 Resto Shaman (healing)
1 Priest (mass dispel)
1 Rogue (stealth targeting of enemies, locks)
1 DK (death grip) /kinda wondering on this also.... given I am fire mage for 40 yard killz why DG?/


How many times do you think you need off tanking anyways?
Maybe I just junk all the warlocks for mages .... and keep the DK as off tank.
And what's the average level of your 31 toons?

[Tonuss]

Maybe I just junk all the warlocks for mages .... and keep the DK as off tank.
The reason that Prepared gave up on the shammies was that he was worried that changes to the class might render all of his work moot. I would not drop the warlocks if I were you. While a mixed group loses some efficiency, it also avoids the sudden loss of power that can come when Blizzard nerfs a class.

[zenga]

Ya he got 40 in 4 times ..... and won the last time.

Dang .... looks like my goal is 2nd place .... bleh.


Ya he gave up on shammies as did I:

Ill be:

1 Prot Pal (tank)
18 Fire Mage (duh)
3 Warlock (ritual of summoning / offtank) /now that I have level 25 guild perks might not need ros so might make 2nd prot pal and 2 more mages/
6 Resto Shaman (healing)
1 Priest (mass dispel)
1 Rogue (stealth targeting of enemies, locks)
1 DK (death grip) /kinda wondering on this also.... given I am fire mage for 40 yard killz why DG?/


How many times do you think you need off tanking anyways?
Maybe I just junk all the warlocks for mages .... and keep the DK as off tank.

offtank to do what?

[dancook]

offtank to do what?

keep hogger busy.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Ya off tanking is probably not needed much. And the DK can do that, as I remember he needed for anti magic shell.



1 Prot Pal (tank)
21 Fire Mage (duh)
6 Resto Shaman (healing)
1 Priest (mass dispel)
1 Rogue (stealth targeting of enemies, locks)
1 DK (death grip) (antimagic shell)

Ya this looks a lot better. One less class to have to write macros for.

I have 8 guys (7 mages) level 80 and some shamen in the 70s I think. Priest and rogue are in the 50/60 or so. When I get RAF again Ill do a group of 10 then another group of 10 and transfer those to active accounts.

Ya they nerf and then they unerf, Im not worried about it. Mages will always have some spell that is 40 yards.


Like I say I am going to that spot in Deepholm with the fast spawners, with level 1 guys (draw mobs from a large area) and divide into 5 man groups each with at least one mage (archane) to tag and just aoe everything. Some group will get the exp, no matter to me which one. As guys hit 83-85 (in case they do tag), I just take them out of any group (they by themselves) and make sure they can't tag (first Step would be taggers casting aoe, 2nd step is the non taggers casting aoe) .... Again the exp goes to some group and again no matter to me which one.

With RAF and level 25 Guild Perks this should level me up amazing fast, we will see.

Should be starting in about a month, still working on getting RL stable.

[Zub]

With RAF and level 25 Guild Perks this should level me up amazing fast, we will see.

heard that before, during your first 3 RAF ;-)
screenshot or it didnt happen

[Littleburst]

heard that before, during your first 3 RAF ;-)
screenshot or it didnt happen

No man, seriously. Imagine. If he had guildperks all along he would be... Still the same level, because RAF and guild perks don't stack!
Even if it would work he would be like lvl 64 instead of 60! :O

Will definitely be "amazingly fast!"

lololol? I did.

[Tonuss]

Like I say I am going to that spot in Deepholm with the fast spawners, with level 1 guys (draw mobs from a large area) and divide into 5 man groups each with at least one mage (archane) to tag and just aoe everything. Some group will get the exp, no matter to me which one. As guys hit 83-85 (in case they do tag), I just take them out of any group (they by themselves) and make sure they can't tag (first Step would be taggers casting aoe, 2nd step is the non taggers casting aoe) .... Again the exp goes to some group and again no matter to me which one.
I think that you should focus on one group getting the exp, leveling them up, and then focusing on the next group. The first group to 85 will provide better DPS, which helps the next group level up more quickly, and so on. I think that would be faster than just having the groups slowly earning experience in random chunks.

Edit to add: I still think you'd level up even faster if you just took each group of five separately and quested them to 85. Yeah, it can get monotonous doing the same quests over and over, but you get so much reward experience (even without RAF or guild perks) that it is pretty fast. Only collection quests slow you down but you plow through mobs very quickly. I have fifteen 85s, with ten of them leveled up as multiboxed five-man groups. And my shaman/warlock team is 70 now and will probably hit 85 sometime early next year. I may get to twenty level 85s before you get any of them via the AOE grind method, and I consider myself a pretty lazy leveler.

[Zub]

Edit to add: I still think you'd level up even faster if you just took each group of five separately and quested them to 85. Yeah, it can get monotonous doing the same quests over and over, but you get so much reward experience (even without RAF or guild perks) that it is pretty fast. Only collection quests slow you down but you plow through mobs very quickly. I have fifteen 85s, with ten of them leveled up as multiboxed five-man groups. And my shaman/warlock team is 70 now and will probably hit 85 sometime early next year. I may get to twenty level 85s before you get any of them via the AOE grind method, and I consider myself a pretty lazy leveler.

That's very good advice, and amazingly it is the exact same advice the whole community gave Sam something like 2-3 years ago when he started his 'project'.
But Sam is Sam, he knows better than that and has all these awesome leveling spots allowing him to blast through a 3rd (4th?) RAF with still a bunch of toons in the 40s/50s.

Nothing new here :-)

[RobinGBrown]

That's very good advice, and amazingly it is the exact same advice the whole community gave Sam something like 2-3 years ago when he started his 'project'.
But Sam is Sam, he knows better than that and has all these awesome leveling spots allowing him to blast through a 3rd (4th?) RAF with still a bunch of toons in the 40s/50s.

Nothing new here :-)

Indeed.

In fact he's finally outlevelled me because I stopped playing over two years ago having got to whatever max level it was back then while the best player in the world was still at level 40 or something.

Three years to level from 40 to 80. Thats certainly the most fearsome track record.

[Sam DeathWalker]

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2211961911

Seems they stack but its the level 21 perk, being able to summon everyone to most anyplace I can park a toon which is so nice. I can park alts most anywhere I want to go and bang .... Im there.

And of course I have way over 1000 guildmates to ask for help (and summon lol), and 400K in the bank (and over a million in gold in items to sell); so I do start a bit ahead of where I did before.

And my JC mage has hit level 83 from doing the JC daily everyday.

[Zub]

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2211961911

Seems they stack but its the level 21 perk, being able to summon everyone to most anyplace I can park a toon which is so nice. I can park alts most anywhere I want to go and bang .... Im there.

And of course I have way over 1000 guildmates to ask for help (and summon lol), and 400K in the bank (and over a million in gold in items to sell); so I do start a bit ahead of where I did before.

And my JC mage has hit level 83 from doing the JC daily everyday.
Fair enough.
Want to give an estimate as to when you'll have 30 toons at max level?

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well I renamed the PvE guild to "The DeathWalker Imperium" and the PvP guild to "The DeathWalker Dominion". Finally getting my golds worth.

The PvE guild is going flat out, new raid master has gotten us 6/7 in firelands normal and I am expecting 7/7 after tonight. Up to 505 level 85's with more joining the leaving.

The PvP guild is quite, I dont do a thing actually, slowly losing membership but new people do come in from time to time. No new accomplishments, just people teaming up for 2v2 and 3v3, but thats what the guild is for.

Meanwhile I am working on getting 5 million gold in AH sales on one guy, hoping that to be a wow first.

And wasting time on RL .... bleh.

[RobinGBrown]

Meanwhile I am working on getting 5 million gold in AH sales on one guy, hoping that to be a wow first..

Too slow (again):

http://www.warcraftecon.net/hall-of-fame/

[Tonuss]

That site doesn't seem to follow anyone past 2 million (understandable, when you think about it). How would anyone track something like "first to 5 million gold," much less "first to 5 million via AH?"

In any case, Sam should probably contact that site. If he's got a guy with 4+ million then he'll make the list twice, at least...

[Zub]

Meanwhile I am working on getting 5 million gold in AH sales on one guy, hoping that to be a wow first.
lol you're trying SO hard to be the best at *something* (anything). It's very entertaining.

[valkry]

That site doesn't seem to follow anyone past 2 million (understandable, when you think about it). How would anyone track something like "first to 5 million gold," much less "first to 5 million via AH?"

In any case, Sam should probably contact that site. If he's got a guy with 4+ million then he'll make the list twice, at least...
There is a line in the statistics page in the achievements tab which tracks that, also shows on the armoury, so is in fact, quite easy.

Edit: Oop, guess not on the armoury. But in-game, go to statistics, character, wealth, it's the 5th one down.

[RobinGBrown]

AFAIK the gold cap is 1 million per character? So to get the '5 mil' you'd have to have all the characters on the _account_.

I'd think most multiboxers could amass a large fortune if they include all their accounts, it's having it in one place that really counts.

[Moorea]

Fair enough.
Want to give an estimate as to when you'll have 30 toons at max level?
I said it years ago, someone else also said it above : as long as blizz releases new expension : never - he missed the wotlk deadline and he will miss the end of cata too...

What I am interested in though is getting my hands on a level25 guild - is that achievable legally with just 5 boxing ?

I suppose I should find the "getting gold faq" - I have some more questions but not sure about what the TOS has to say with respect to "selling" GM (and don't want to violate our rules)

[Khatovar]

You should be able to 5box up to 25, but I imagine it'll take a while. My guild hit level 12 last night and it's just me. That's probably about 5 months to get to that point, but I slack a lot so I rarely cap daily guild XP.

As far as selling a guild, as long as it's in game currency, it's fine. There's posts all over the battle.net forums where people are buying and selling guilds for gold. But it's an unsupported transaction, so if you get scammed, don't hold your breath on a GM being much help.

[Klesh]

What I am interested in though is getting my hands on a level25 guild - is that achievable legally with just 5 boxing ?


Sure, why shouldn't it be achievable "legally"? I've grinded my guild to rank 25, think I got it early may this year.
It's rather boring, but probably more fun and rewarding than mindlessly farming FL trash for BoEs. Counting the posts on this forum alone, it looks like a lot of ppl farmed that trash, so why not grind guild xp...

[Littleburst]

Sure, why shouldn't it be achievable "legally"? I've grinded my guild to rank 25, think I got it early may this year.
It's rather boring, but probably more fun and rewarding than mindlessly farming FL trash for BoEs. Counting the posts on this forum alone, it looks like a lot of ppl farmed that trash, so why not grind guild xp...

Very true, there´s one difference though.

As a boxer you have an advantage when farming FL trash, since you can solo things others can not solo as quick as you. When it comes to ranking a guild, there will always be guilds disbanding. In such a case people want to get rid of their guild for probably an amount of gold that would take a boxer less time to farm up in FL then to grind a guild to the same level.

[valkry]

Joined a causual guild, GM quit her main char, I asked for it considering I'm the biggest contributor, and she gave it to me :p Now to make the biggest oceanic twink guild lol.

[Moorea]

I guess I wasn't clear - I meant is it realistic for a 5 boxer to accumulate enough gold to buy a guild that's already level 25 - I just resubbed - and only 3 boxing so far - and most my toons /teams are level 80 - I do have 1 level 85 I got solo playing 80-85 in about a week's time and let me get honored with the guild I'm in and buy the cool BOAs - dual boxing fully BOAed hunter+priest heals in low level BG is a lot of fun - but that 85 isn't making a ton of gold on its own (actually it barely pays for the BOAs and enchants)

When a GM quit - why would they want gold if they are quitting anyway ?

[Klesh]

Gold is easy to get. I never farmed BoEs beyond my own needs and got way more gold than I'll ever spend. Dailies, professions, sexual favors - enough options out there to get some coin.

[valkry]

I guess I wasn't clear - I meant is it realistic for a 5 boxer to accumulate enough gold to buy a guild that's already level 25 - I just resubbed - and only 3 boxing so far - and most my toons /teams are level 80 - I do have 1 level 85 I got solo playing 80-85 in about a week's time and let me get honored with the guild I'm in and buy the cool BOAs - dual boxing fully BOAed hunter+priest heals in low level BG is a lot of fun - but that 85 isn't making a ton of gold on its own (actually it barely pays for the BOAs and enchants)

When a GM quit - why would they want gold if they are quitting anyway ?
Quitting that guild and looking to join a new raiding guild would be my guess.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Its perfectly legal to use ingame gold to buy GM of a guild.

When my first guild fell through I got the 250K or so I paid back from customer service, they said buying the guild was legal but clearing out the bank is not.

Just don't touch the Bank.

I am looking to buy even more guilds and have 400K on my trader.

Well I hit 5 million and posted on the wow general forum I should know soon if it is a wow first. HIt my sig for SS.

[valkry]

Its perfectly legal to use ingame gold to buy GM of a guild.

When my first guild fell through I got the 250K or so I paid back from customer service, they said buying the guild was legal but clearing out the bank is not.

Just don't touch the Bank.

I am looking to buy even more guilds and have 400K on my trader.

Well I hit 5 million and posted on the wow general forum I should know soon if it is a wow first. HIt my sig for SS.
That doesn't count. 5 mil total gold acquired is NOT having 5 mil gold. AND I can tell you right now that you are not world first. Hikarumage from Frostmourne hit that in Wotlk and Fantasylady from Firetree hit that in BC.

[Zub]

That doesn't count. 5 mil total gold acquired is NOT having 5 mil gold. AND I can tell you right now that you are not world first. Hikarumage from Frostmourne hit that in Wotlk and Fantasylady from Firetree hit that in BC.

That's all nice and well, but were they the first BLOOD ELF to reach 5mil?
Ah HA!
And don't even get me started about the hair style and color

[Sam DeathWalker]

Right I dont have 5 million on my guy I have like 440K (after buying two guilds).

Just saying sales.



Bah well some guy claiming 21 million .... well I guess this is not a wow first by any means.


Sure getting tough to do any world first in wow but with 11 million players I guess that is to be expected.


I did actually have over 6 million plat when I quit EQ though, should still be there.

[valkry]

Right I dont have 5 million on my guy I have like 440K (after buying two guilds).

Just saying sales.



Bah well some guy claiming 21 million .... well I guess this is not a wow first by any means.


Sure getting tough to do any world first in wow but with 11 million players I guess that is to be expected.


I did actually have over 6 million plat when I quit EQ though, should still be there.
You are the first person to with over 20 hours a week game play to not reach the lvl cap two expansions in a row. Congrats man :P

[Moorea]

You are the first person to with over 20 hours a week game play to not reach the lvl cap two expansions in a row. Congrats man :P

lol !!! nice and so true - yes that's sam's uniqueness right there :-)