View Full Version : [WoW] Team Beeq vs. Zul'Aman heroic (3 bosses at once!)
Kicksome
05-15-2011, 12:47 PM
Very cool! Team Beeq is going to start a revolution. There are little beeq's on KJ now inspired by your videos!
Very cool! Team Beeq is going to start a revolution. There are little beeq's on KJ now inspired by your videos!
Team Beeq likes this.
Redbeard
05-18-2011, 06:06 PM
Hey runtu, can you (or really anybody with clothies doing heroics right now) comment on how squishy a cloth wearer is against 85 heroic content? I know health pools are inflated, but so is incoming damage.
Do your mages go down in a hit or two, or is there some more resilience there? (im not talking about cooldowns i just mean in general).
Thanks.
Kekkerer
05-18-2011, 07:02 PM
When you pop mirrors your mages stop generating threat for 30s I think effectively giving you tanks that last 1-2 hits each. Mobs will kill you in 2-3 hits normally.
When you pop mirrors your mages stop generating threat for 30s I think effectively giving you tanks that last 1-2 hits each. Mobs will kill you in 2-3 hits normally.
Yeah this. When your images are up, your mage's threat goes solid 0% (unless all of your 3 images are stunned), but there is a hidden threat. For example if you pop images and go fecking crazy, your tank will hold aggro easily, but when your images fade, you can suddenly have like 160% threat on your mage.
So if you ever want to go all out right at the pull, prepare to pop invisibility like 2 seconds before your images fade, or your tank starts to dislike you :)
Mokoi
05-19-2011, 02:23 PM
nice video, but its not really 3 bosses at once.. hehe why didnt you just show them one at a time in HQ :)
my mages are 77 now.. thanks for ruining my week :P
nice video, but its not really 3 bosses at once.. hehe why didnt you just show them one at a time in HQ :)
my mages are 77 now.. thanks for ruining my week :P
Hehe, I got mad with that DK who soloed Ozruk and Slabhide at the same time, so I had to push better with 3 bosses "at the same time" :)
I so would like to level up my DKs, but it's a long journey and my work taking a lot of time atm.. and with my luck if I ever get them to 85, Bz would nerf them down back to mortals... Or if they change the way how mirror images work, they would force me to unsubscribe all my accounts for good ;O
Kalros
05-19-2011, 04:28 PM
Runtu, I am so impressed with what you've been doing with the 5x Mages. You are the sole reason I came back to WoW when I did. And now you've got me wondering if there are any other viable 5x DPS combos.
The 5x DKs could be interesting. Have all 5 pop army of the dead and go to town! I was also considering 5x Shaman.
Anyhoo, good job, bro!
Runtu, I am so impressed with what you've been doing with the 5x Mages. You are the sole reason I came back to WoW when I did.
Sorry to hear that, and thanks mate ;)
And now you've got me wondering if there are any other viable 5x DPS combos.
If you mean 5x same class dps, then I think the only way is mages. It's all about burst dps and there is no way that any other class can kill cata hc boss in 15 seconds, than I did in ZG (Edge of Madness) ;)
The 5x DKs could be interesting. Have all 5 pop army of the dead and go to town! I was also considering 5x Shaman.
5x self-healing DKs might be awesome indeed, though the fights wouldn't be this easy, since afaik DKs miss burst, and encounters would need lots of movement and stuff to make things harder
Multibocks
05-20-2011, 10:07 AM
the reasons mages work is that arcane spec using only arcane blast will oom quickly in raiding. However dungeon bosses die before you run oom :D
If blizzard ever nerfed mirror images this team would be so screwed, most likely you would wipe before getting the boss down.
Redbeard
05-20-2011, 11:30 AM
Ive been thinking of 5x enhancement shaman with some modifications from "optimal" dps for increased survability:
mwx5 goes to healing rain x 5 instead of lightning bolt. sub resto instead of elemental to get the +healing/healing received talent and get the shock talent which will buff your healing rain ability (i.e. cast a shock every 10s and then follow it up with healing rain to get the improved healing).
Dont know if it would be enough healing without a tank since youd obviously be in melee.
Yeah all healing is away from dps :) (also mages = 5x invisbility (glyphed run speed 40%) nice way to skip some trash you don't want to fight.. \o/ )
Btw, I almost did ZA timed with this team today. I zerged Akil'zon, when he died I had huge 12 minutes left in timer, had one unnecessary corpserun, ran back, headed to Nalorakk and killed all the trash on my way.
My team was facing Nalorakk alone while the timer just went from 2 to 1 minute, so if I had my mirror images off cd, I'd had done it :P
Tomorrow new try, frapsing and without unnecessary corpse runs.. to the success!
Kalros
05-20-2011, 01:03 PM
If blizzard ever nerfed mirror images this team would be so screwed, most likely you would wipe before getting the boss down.
Yep, and if they ever did, it would specifically be to nerf this team, giving us proof that they indeed DO pay attention to multiboxing. Somehow I doubt they will though. We're such a small percentage of the overall WoW playerbase.
Yep, and if they ever did, it would specifically be to nerf this team, giving us proof that they indeed DO pay attention to multiboxing. Somehow I doubt they will though. We're such a small percentage of the overall WoW playerbase.
Talked to GM once about something, and the GM next to him was outrageous that 5 mages can "solo" heroics all the way to the last bosses :D However, even if Bz knew about what's happening there, they never would nerf any abilities based on just one player, I see that is completely impossible.
And when it comes to profit, I run progress heroics always fully flasked, well fed, even drums of forgotten kings for +4% int, so I spend thousands of gold for just to buff the team. And all I get is some upgrades for the team, and few daily Maelstrom shards which sell like 150g on my realm, so every day I spend more gold than I receive ;)
World drop BoEs drop once in a while, so that's an income, very very random though and happens like twice a month if I'm lucky.. Good thing in boxing is you can always greed the epix for yourself ;)
If they would nerf something, that'd be anti-cc buff in TBoT10 and in raid instances in general. I know they didn't want me to farm 3,5 millions of gold in 4 months, but what's done is done. Nerfing Mirror Images would just cause 5 more unsubs for good ^^
Today I was facing Nalorakk's last trash pack and there was still 7 minutes on timer.. but kept nubbering with the last trash so no ZA timed today either :(
Today I was facing Nalorakk's last trash pack and there was still 7 minutes on timer.. but kept nubbering with the last trash so no ZA timed today either :(
I'm a bit confused. When you say, that you failed timed run, do you mean that you failed the bear mount run, or just the timer run out at that boss?
Nalorakk is the bear boss if I'm not mistaken. I think he dies usually as 2nd, What order are you killing them? I assume you are not doing Hawk Bear Dragonhawk Lynx.
If not, what advantage do you have doing them in a different order?
Obviously you can use invisibility through most of the trash which is probably a huge time saver, but still.
I'm a bit confused. When you say, that you failed timed run, do you mean that you failed the bear mount run, or just the timer run out at that boss?
Nalorakk is the bear boss if I'm not mistaken. I think he dies usually as 2nd, What order are you killing them? I assume you are not doing Hawk Bear Dragonhawk Lynx.
If not, what advantage do you have doing them in a different order?
Obviously you can use invisibility through most of the trash which is probably a huge time saver, but still.
I always kill Akil'zon first, and then go to Nalorakk. If you do both before timer goes off, you get the bear mount?
Sadly some of those caster mobs can see through invisibility, so can't skip.. also bosses are not attackable if they have trash left.
Sorry runtu but I gotta burst your bubble (or in your case your iceblock :D)
You will need to kill the four bosses (eagle, bear, dragonhawk, lynx) before the timer on top of your screen runs out. You start off with 15 minutes, and you get another 5 minutes for killing the eagle and the bear boss, giving you a grand total of 25 minutes.
Killing eagle, bear, dragonhawk in time award a possibility for extra epic loot or at least a bag of coins.
For the mount you need to kill lynx boss too in time along with all the other 3.
To complete a bear run you pretty much can not wipe at all, even 2-3 solo death can jeopardize your chance of killing the 4 bosses in time.
For me so far the best was killing Hawk, Bear, Dragonhawk and after Dragonhawk still having 3 min left on the timer. But I think you need more like 6-7 or even more :S
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Sorry runtu but I gotta burst your bubble (or in your case your iceblock :D)
You will need to kill the four bosses (eagle, bear, dragonhawk, lynx) before the timer on top of your screen runs out. You start off with 15 minutes, and you get another 5 minutes for killing the eagle and the bear boss, giving you a grand total of 25 minutes.
Killing eagle, bear, dragonhawk in time award a possibility for extra epic loot or at least a bag of coins.
For the mount you need to kill lynx boss too in time along with all the other 3.
To complete a bear run you pretty much can not wipe at all, even 2-3 solo death can jeopardize your chance of killing the 4 bosses in time.
For me so far the best was killing Hawk, Bear, Dragonhawk and after Dragonhawk still having 3 min left on the timer. But I think you need more like 6-7 or even more :S
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Ahh hehe, didn't it used to be just 2 bosses for the mount?
Doesn't matter though if you don't care about mounts and aiming just for the killing as many as bosses you can :) 43/57 done in cata heroics ^^
Damn Halazzi is tough, and so are any bosses with similar phases.. Once I nuked Halazzi down to 3%, but then he switched back to troll form and bam he goes to 100%.. and I'm sure he can't be even killed when he's in "wrong form"
Same thing with Glubtok in DM, nuked him down to 1 hp and he started casting Arcane Power stuff, that last 1 hp took 10 seconds just because the server script kept him alive..
Going to shorten the kill list soonish, trying from "easiest available" as in Karsh Steelbender in BrC.. it's just too easy to mess up with the pull or stacks, and once your images are in combat, you can't move them... Idea was to spread mages around him and then hope the aggro switches once in a while so Karsh runs through the flame pillar.. but that's when everything can go wrong.. Haven't nuked him flasked yet though, I guess one stack weakens him that much that I could kill him before the stack fades.. I need to unlock last boss Obsidius for the trinkets.
Well I do care about the mount, it is just currently out of my reach, so 2nd best thing is to get 3 bosses in time, because then I have a chance to get 69592. Just now got my 1st one, two more to go :P
I can imagine that any boss that you cant kill within 30-40 sec is kind of a bitch for you :D
Funny how for you most of the bosses with a gimmic go down fast, where else for me some of the annoying gimmick ones give quite a bit of trouble. I haven't counted how many bosses I have killed, guess mostly because I foremost care about just compliting the instance fast to get the valor points and the chaos orb. But I ought to write up the list as you did too just to see where I am at compared to you :D
also maybe should move the boss specific chat to its pertinent thread :D
Yeah there is only 12 Cataclysm heroic bosses I can't slain yet with my team.
Halls of Origination
Temple Guardian Anhuur (Stupid levers and snakes.. 23% is the best try)
Isiset (Splits, heavy partywide dmg, images fade too early)
The Lost City of Tol'vir
High Prophet Barim (phase 2, stupid bird, phasing issues? for perfect nukage)
Siamat (High Prophet Barim needs to die first, no tries on this one)
The Deadmines
Admiral Ripsnarl (Vapor phase, killing my team, doable with aoe, images on cd when boss appears again)
"Captain" Cookie (Admiral Ripsnarl needs to die first, no tries on this one)
Vanessa VanCleef ("Captain" Cookie and Admiral Ripsnarl needs to die first, no tries on this one)
Zul'Aman
Halazzi (Too much of form changing with 100% hp, images fade too early)
Hex Lord Malacrass (Halazzi needs to die first, no tries on this one)
Daakara (Hex Lord Malacrass and Halazzi needs to die first, no tries on this one)
Zul'Gurub
Hazza'rah (One of the Edge of Madness bosses. Issues with focusing dps on adds and facing boss after, images fade too early)
Jin'do the Godbreaker (Phase 2, very tricky to handle the chains with body slams while dodging the shadowy shite..)
just curious, are the mirror images taking agro only for the mage that cast them? or can you stagger them?
just curious, are the mirror images taking agro only for the mage that cast them? or can you stagger them?
You can't chain mirror images if that's what you mean :(
If there is 4 mages with images and another mage without images join the fight, he will get 100% threat, since other mages have 0%.
Multibocks
05-24-2011, 05:32 PM
Runtu have you tried Sartharion 3d? I bet you could do it!
Mokoi
05-25-2011, 12:35 AM
Runtu have you tried Sartharion 3d? I bet you could do it!
I think you need 8 DPS doing what.. 8k DPS each? so maybe, but i think it ususally takes about a minute at that DPS to kill him, so if he has 5 doing 25k DPS.. then you are looking at a 45 second kill or so? how long do images stay up? hehe
hmm maybe its only 5k DPS each.. If its 5, you are golden.. hehe
Multibocks
05-25-2011, 12:07 PM
in one of his videos the mages were well into the 50k dps EACH category
Sarth have almost 8,000,000 hp in 25man, managed to burn the bird to 40% when my images fade, so it's no go atm. 10man with 3 drakes up is a faceroll.
I can usually burn anything with 5,000,000 hp (5x 33k dps for 30 seconds) and if the bosses have more health, then it goes to cloth tanking and hoping that I can finish the rest before my last mage dies ;)
Since my all mages are engineers, I might tinker Cardboard Assassins to each mage's belt.. so i could pop those when images fade, however when I tried those once, the bosses seemed to completely ignore them >_>
Multibocks
05-25-2011, 12:42 PM
lol you already did the 10 man =D
have you tried ping-ponging bosses? to save some time after the mirror images fade.
All your mages should be reasonably close in threat, so if you position 2 on each side and stop generating threat (no dps) on one side at the time, the boss will run to the other side.
before he gets there, either go invis on that side, or make sure the other side gets the threat back up and the boss run to them, etc.
Sounds complicated lol >.< good luck
or maybe you can open up on the boss with a specific mage, (to make sure he has more agro than others when the mirror images fade) and then kite the boss specifically with that mage while the others blast away
or, get a target dummy taunt!
ok nvm that last one :-)
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