What i'm doing wrong..???

[talpax]

Hi

I'm here to get some suggestion about my multiboxing difficulties, in short term this is so damn hard.. :confused:

I'm using Hotkeynet and Jamba and boxing these sets:

Warrior 80 - Tank
Hunter 77
Rogue 68
Warlock 68
Priest 68 - Heal

Warrior 80 - Tank
Paladin 68
Shaman 78 Heal
Death knight 68
Mage 68

Paladin 68 Tank
Druid 65
Druid 65
Druid 65
Druid 65


Paladin 68 Tank
Shaman 60
Shaman 60
Shaman 60
Shaman 60

Jamba is configured to handle the master focus target , so i can switch the target simply with a keybind, the same key spam the dps sequence
I'm also using the setmaster function so i can handle the change of the master.
Generally i'm using a single pc with 5 wow and i can switch the main window using the window resize of hotkeynet (a little slow ..)
Jamba also handle the follow function very well, just some trouble with the stop follow.
I'm using the interact with target for DPS attack and the other useful functions like the remote DPS turning in the right direction (this is again a little bit tricky...)

Now the question...

What i'm doing wrong, why is so damn hard to do stuff like instances??
I did some outland DG with a lot of trouble...
For example the tank warrior is geared to handle HC of northrend but i'm dying a lot of times in outland DG.
At this time can't even imagine to handle a HC of northrend when the full set ding to 80, not even a normal...:(

Is there a better software combination to handle this?
Isboxer, Keyclone, ******** ??
Any suggestion is welcome :)

Talpax -Doomhammer EU

Ps
Sorry for the bad english, i'm from pizzaland ;)

[Otlecs]

I don't think the problem lies in the software you're using, because some people succeed without any boxing software at all, so the problem almost certainly lies with you. Sorry :)

Can you give us a bit more detail on the sort of problems you're having?

I can imagine, for example, that you'd have a terrible time with the mixed melee / caster groups you've mentioned there unless you have some clever interact with target / click-to-move mappings across your team. Even then it's going to be a bit hairy.

I can also imagine that if you're playing with so many different teams, perhaps you're just not getting enough experience with any one of them? It takes a while to be able to react quickly to bad things happening!


For example the tank warrior is geared to handle HC of northrend but i'm dying a lot of times in outland DG.
I'm probably being very thick, but what's a "DG"? Dungeon? As in instance?

I think this gives us the biggest clue as to what your problem is, and it's one that's hit all of us at one time or another..... HEALING!

If your tank is over-geared, and you're tanking "properly" (with due regard for facing, etc) then you should be absolutely waltzing through the early to mid Outland instances. Some of the level 70 instances are seriously painful to box, so just skip them and head over to Northrend when you get into that range.

So... how are you handling your healing right now?

[Jubber]

Don't feel bad. Some Outlands dungeons just aren't as forgiving as Northrend stuff. I still have trouble with some Outland heroics and my guys are farming HTOC easy. lol. It's no fun to kill the Black knight on heroic then walk into Heroic Shatt Halls and go splat several times in the first few pulls.. Thinking to yourself wth just happened.

[talpax]

I don't think the problem lies in the software you're using, because some people succeed without any boxing software at all, so the problem almost certainly lies with you. Sorry :)

Can you give us a bit more detail on the sort of problems you're having?

I can imagine, for example, that you'd have a terrible time with the mixed melee / caster groups you've mentioned there unless you have some clever interact with target / click-to-move mappings across your team. Even then it's going to be a bit hairy.

I can also imagine that if you're playing with so many different teams, perhaps you're just not getting enough experience with any one of them? It takes a while to be able to react quickly to bad things happening!


I'm probably being very thick, but what's a "DG"? Dungeon? As in instance?

I think this gives us the biggest clue as to what your problem is, and it's one that's hit all of us at one time or another..... HEALING!

If your tank is over-geared, and you're tanking "properly" (with due regard for facing, etc) then you should be absolutely waltzing through the early to mid Outland instances. Some of the level 70 instances are seriously painful to box, so just skip them and head over to Northrend when you get into that range.

So... how are you handling your healing right now?

As first i'm sorry when i say DG i mean instances...i simply don't like this word ;)

I'm handling the healing in standard situation quite well, i have the healer with the right talent tree so i can handle the situation.

My biggest trouble is always during boss fight when the boss or the adds attack my other characters.
The tank doesn't loose the aggro on boss, simply this is the tactic built in.

I simply don't know how to handle this situation.
For example in Auchenai Crypts (not sure if is in this istance) the final boss alt start attacking the healer and the dps.
When this happen what is the best chance?

Drop the tank and play with the others?
Try to get aggro with the tank?

For example i have tried UK normal and the first boss send the skeleton to the others characters then...panic :D

[roflstomp]

i currently have all outland heroics on a grid and im 70 team is pally tank lock, sham, druid, priest heals most out the outland stuff the spells hit hard and some adds dont have agro table also whats ur healing macro look like and dps macros? also if u want im on livestream 90 % of time if u want u can make a request i run x instance and ill run it and explain how to run it. www.livestream.com/roflstompmulti (http://www.livestream.com/roflstompmulti)

[shaeman]

Tanking as a multiboxer is pretty much the same as tanking as a solo player - except your team know when to hold back on damage to let you build aggro (if needed).

So if adds come in and head for your healer or dps you taunt them off. You also have the added advantage that you can also trigger the slaves aggro drop ability (if they have one) at the same time.

You gave a specific example of utgarde keep, the first boss.

I tend to have all my alts gathered close in to the tank (they are all casters). Then when the skeletal adds come in my tank picks them up (swipe in this case, but consecrate would work on pallys and I guess some AOE warrior thing).

It also means that my guys can drop magma totems to help take them out, and still damage the boss too.

I would suggest sticking with one team initially. Get used to running that, get a feel for the situations you enocunter , then you'll have a better idea for every other team.

[talpax]

i currently have all outland heroics on a grid and im 70 team is pally tank lock, sham, druid, priest heals most out the outland stuff the spells hit hard and some adds dont have agro table also whats ur healing macro look like and dps macros? also if u want im on livestream 90 % of time if u want u can make a request i run x instance and ill run it and explain how to run it. www.livestream.com/roflstompmulti (http://www.livestream.com/roflstompmulti)

At the moment i'm using some of the macros suggested here on dualboxing for dps.
For healing just 2 heal main and group heal (like heal chain of shaman)

[roflstomp]

ok heres my healing one
priest healer
/target huhtank
/castsequence reset=combat/15 renew, prayer of mending, flash heal, flash heal, flash heal, prayer of mending, flash heal, flash heal, flash heal

and my lock dps
/assist focus
/castsequence reset=combat/20 Curse of Agony, Corruption, Immolate, Incinerate, Chaos Bolt, Shadow Bolt, Shadow Bolt, Shadow Bolt, Shadow Bolt, Shadow Bolt, Drain Soul

if those help u any other than that try going to my live stream and talk to me there ill runn what ever u want! :)

[talpax]

ok heres my healing one
priest healer
/target huhtank
/castsequence reset=combat/15 renew, prayer of mending, flash heal, flash heal, flash heal, prayer of mending, flash heal, flash heal, flash heal

and my lock dps
/assist focus
/castsequence reset=combat/20 Curse of Agony, Corruption, Immolate, Incinerate, Chaos Bolt, Shadow Bolt, Shadow Bolt, Shadow Bolt, Shadow Bolt, Shadow Bolt, Drain Soul

if those help u any other than that try going to my live stream and talk to me there ill runn what ever u want! :)

I'm watching you :D

[Otlecs]

I see from the preview that others have already said most of this, but since i've wasted all those keypresses I might as well post it anyway!


When this happen what is the best chance?

Drop the tank and play with the others?
Try to get aggro with the tank?

It depends on the encounter :)

Some random target events are all about just being able to survive, in which case there's nothing you can do except heal whoever's under fire. You should be able to do that while still "playing" your tank, even if it means resorting to some sort of AoE heal.

Sometimes you just need to stop DPS for a while and taunt.

Sometimes there's a specific thing you need to do (like get the hell away), in which case you may well have to switch to that character. To be honest, I never do though. Between global "move" commands (forward, back, strafe) and follow I can usually get away.

When you have trouble with specific encounters, it's worth posting here to see if anybody can help. Personally, I had a terrible time multiboxing TBC instances so I can't offer much useful advice on them, but I know others fared far better.

For the first boss in UK, I keep my entire team on follow until I engage. They stand about a foot behind me, because there's no reason for them to be any distance away in that encounter anyway.

My tank of choice these days is a Bear (yay.... aoe tanking with no cooldown!), and I have swipe in my tanking macro so I tank all the adds.

I know nothing about warrior tanking, but I'm led to believe that all tank classes now have some sort of AoE attack, so it should be entirely possible for your warrior to tank the whole lot.

Above all, though, don't be disheartened by the difficulty of Northrend instances by your experiences in Outland - Northrend instances are just nowhere near as tricky.

And don't forget there's a tactics forum here - I cracked some seemingly impossible fights thanks to some of the guys around here!

[Babysir]

I agree with all the suggestions and would just like to add that slave movement independent of the tank is a great help. I personally have up,down,left, and right bound to the movement keys on my slaves. It really makes a difference when you need to get your slaves out of the way. Tavarok in mana-tombs really made me appreciate this and Hungarfen in underbogs... prior to having the movement keys bound I would always wipe on him. Those mushrooms hit hard.

[Babysir]

At the moment i'm using some of the macros suggested here on dualboxing for dps.
For healing just 2 heal main and group heal (like heal chain of shaman)

You might want to consider ISBoxer. I use to heal with a set of macros, but once I moved to ISBoxer I click heal from my main screen. Makes it alot easier to heal and avoid overhealing.

[roflstomp]

i would consider is boxer but i dont like the monthly fee and dont feel like setting up it altho keyclone has been upsetting me l8ly with a magor bug

[Ualaa]

You are responsible for every role, when you do dungeons or heroics.

Most people drive with the tank.
You need to position the mob and worry about its facing.

The healer is next most important.
You'll generally heal by assisting the mob, or by repeater region (click) healing, or by toon specific heal macro's.
The toon specific work well, in that you can control who gets the heal, but its a lot of macros and keybinds, and only works for your group.
The assist heals are probably the best as far as macros to heal go.
If your software broadcasts mouse clicks easily (IS Boxer or HKN), click healing with an addon like Vuhdo or Grid + Clique or Healbot is by far the best healing.

Your dps is the easy part.
Position them somewhere for the fight.
And spam your key.
In some fights you'll have to move them out of puddles of goo.
In other fights, you'll heal through crap and just burn the boss down.
Youtube videos of boxers show decent strategies for various fights.

Any of the software options will work as far as boxing goes.
I started with Keyclone, and used it fine for most of my boxing career.
I really like IS Boxer -- instant PiP swaps, mouse broadcasting, repeater region heals etc.
But you can macro everything for a 5-man group.

If you're good at editing scripts, check out HotKeyNet.
If you want a much easier interface, go with IS Boxer ($10 for 90 days, $36 per year)
Either of these, seem to be the most powerful/flexible of the software options.

[talpax]

You are responsible for every role, when you do dungeons or heroics.

Most people drive with the tank.
You need to position the mob and worry about its facing.

The healer is next most important.
You'll generally heal by assisting the mob, or by repeater region (click) healing, or by toon specific heal macro's.
The toon specific work well, in that you can control who gets the heal, but its a lot of macros and keybinds, and only works for your group.
The assist heals are probably the best as far as macros to heal go.
If your software broadcasts mouse clicks easily (IS Boxer or HKN), click healing with an addon like Vuhdo or Grid + Clique or Healbot is by far the best healing.

Your dps is the easy part.
Position them somewhere for the fight.
And spam your key.
In some fights you'll have to move them out of puddles of goo.
In other fights, you'll heal through crap and just burn the boss down.
Youtube videos of boxers show decent strategies for various fights.

Any of the software options will work as far as boxing goes.
I started with Keyclone, and used it fine for most of my boxing career.
I really like IS Boxer -- instant PiP swaps, mouse broadcasting, repeater region heals etc.
But you can macro everything for a 5-man group.

If you're good at editing scripts, check out HotKeyNet.
If you want a much easier interface, go with IS Boxer ($10 for 90 days, $36 per year)
Either of these, seem to be the most powerful/flexible of the software options.

After these posts and some investigation i have found out that my HTKN and jamba is a good software set but with some limitations.
Handling only the focus target is a huge limit in some conditions, good for questing but not enough for istances.

So i got Isboxer, and now i'm totally lost ...:D
Now i'm going to follow the guides here about it and i'm confident i will find out a solution...with your help.
So be prepared for my annoying post about isboxer ;)

Thank you all
:)

[roflstomp]

lucky i cant get my isboxer to work bought it a hour ago and still lite not pro :( but when that gets fixed ill show u come watch me ill run sumthin ur choice herioc or not

[talpax]

lucky i cant get my isboxer to work bought it a hour ago and still lite not pro :( but when that gets fixed ill show u come watch me ill run sumthin ur choice herioc or not

I got the full version, a little bit confusing..
Any help is nice thing :)

[roflstomp]

ya so did i just waiting for him to click ok :) then ill show u how its pritty simple. 375 tailoring now WOOT

[Gadzooks]

Some of the Northrend boss fights have aggro jumps and drops too - Eck in Gundrak is the best example you'll hit early on - I think at 30-40% he switches aggro, and you have to grab him fast, because he can one or two shot clothies. You have to heal through it (groups heals ftw), or be really, really fast on the draw if you have a pally, and shield/bubble the player being attacked.

Tanking isn't easy. I came into this knowing nothing about tanking, and I'm still learning, and to be honest, I'll probably never completely master it. Same for healing. I'll heal my team, but I have no confidence healing a group with other people, let alone a raid. Patience is important with multi-boxing, and you have to cut yourself a lot of slack.

[Ualaa]

For IS Boxer, I'd run the wizard.
That's the easiest way to get started.

I have a guide to it, in my signature.
I'd read it through, more for an idea of what IS Boxer can do, then for using the guide immediately.

The wizard gets you everything except Repeater Regions for healing.
If you have Vuhdo, Healbot, or Grid+Clique, repeater regions are pretty easy to set up.

Anything you drag to a DPS key 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 0, -, or =.
Will have every toon cast the spell on their same key at the target of whatever window you press the key from.
I'd set Jamba to follow the new master, but to not strobe.

As you want to do more, there are a lot of keymap examples.
Keymaps are fairly easy to configure once you have an idea how the system works.
And are very flexible in what they let you do.

[talpax]

After getting isboxer i'm figuring the fact that there is a chance to do something real.

Now i'm not ready for the heavy stuff, but confident about a successful result.
:D

[Seldum]

Now that you have convertet to isboxer (good choice :) ) get Vuhdo and setup repeater regions as explained in Ualaa's signature link.

I have lived through alot of things which I would normally have wiped when I used to have macro healing.