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[keyclone]

i have been considering a change to keyclone and would like to get input from the community.

out-of-game macros

basically... the ability to associate a key stroke with a string.
ie:
F8 --> /focus joe \n/follow focus

i realize it would be very useful to us, but i have always seen it as over the line, allowing the user to breach the 'one key press == one key in game' rule of thumb.

thoughts?

[Gurblash]

Keep what you have working for you. The only verbally endorsed software out there. Don't fuck up a good thing Rob :)

[Lax]

You mean like creating WoW Macros for the user? How would making a WoW Macro breach anything related to one key = one action? Unless you mean literally typing /focus and /follow, which would be a wholly bad idea.

Queue response from Rob saying something about pots and kettles (p.s. the ISBoxer method is to generate a WoW Addon that creates the macros and binds them to the keys)

Edit: Someone mentioned the WoW Mouse and Vyndree's review ('http://www.wemultibox.com/blogs/vyndree/steelseries-world-warcraft-mmo-mouse') of it, since it sounded like the same method would be used. Vyndree demonstrates a reason or two behind my "wholly bad idea" statement.

[keyclone]

the capability has been requested numerous times, and for situations unrelated to wow. as any change might impact wow, i am checking to see the overall thoughts.

and lax, i've never run is, so i have no idea what you're doing. legal? if you're making a wow macro that would require a wow reload, then its prolly within the lines.

who mentioned the wow mouse??

[Hilkarus]

Hi,

your idea of out-of-game macros is excellent.

EDIT : Can you also add a way to enter the passwords automatically ?

[Lax]

who mentioned the wow mouse?? I was discussing this thread with some people and one of them mentioned that the WoW mouse works like he thinks you're describing, and that Vyndree reviewed it and suggested that it was unreliable. So I offered the comparison based on the similarity.

I can see valid reasons outside of WoW, and I'd personally fall on the side that would say using a "typing a macro" feature is out of line based on my interpretation of WoW multiboxing guidelines, but Blizzard actively promotes the WoW Mouse which apparently works that way so who knows. My initial reaction is that you're making an assumption about the state of the game when those keys get pressed, so if someone happened to be typing in the chat window at the time, now they automatically send a line of chat like "hold on i need to kill this boss/focus joe" whereas sending a single key would, at worst, add a single character and not automatically press enter ;) Or they're holding W move forward and the macro happens to include a W. Stuff like that. It's too easy to screw up, that's all I'm suggesting -- implement it if you like, it would be useful to various people.

and lax, i've never run is, so i have no idea what you're doing. legal? if you're making a wow macro that would require a wow reload, then its prolly within the lines. You wouldn't have to run IS -- ISBoxer is generating a WoW Addon that creates macros (and would indeed require a WoW reload e.g. /console reloadui to make macro changes), and I don't think anyone has offered an interpretation that it is outside the lines.

[keyclone]

yea, the wow mouse works like the G15... IOW, not quite what we want. i would side with Vyndree in that it is definitely a disappointment... not to mention confusing to have something that so blatantly contradicts the guidelines we have gleaned over time. *sigh*

@Hilkarus
i would be cautious to add any mechanism that would store passwords. my recommendation, if you are playing wow, would be to sync all passwords ... and get the Blizzard authenticator. no worries about passwords getting stolen... ever.

[Hilkarus]

Okay, then in the case my 5 accounts have the same password, is it possible you add a dialog box in which it is possible to input the password which will then be passed to all wows open ?
so instead of entering 5 times my password, I'd just need to enter it once in this dialog box. Or maybe someone has a way to do this ?

Thanks

[Gurblash]

If they are all the same... just enable DNP and type it in on the main screen and it'll pass that to each window regardless of white/black lists.

[Mercurio]

Yep, I have 10 accounts with the same password and I can log into all 10 of them at the same time by typing in the password with DNP, then an authenticator code linked to all 10 accounts. Very handy with no risk.

As for Keyclone mods, I'd have to side with the majority here saying don't screw up a good thing. If you DO decide to add some questionable functionality, could you name it something different? MacroClone or something? Keyclone has done so much for me and the pittance I spent on the 3 copies I've bought for different machines don't do justice to the benefit I've gotten out of the current version. I'm sure there are tons of boxers like me out there. Why risk a change?

[keyclone]

:D

no worries.... i won't be doing anything that would tweak Blizzard.

i'm fairly confident where the lines are (due to Vyndree's meticulous work)... this tidbit was originally dreamed up years ago (after getting the G15), and it's always itched at the back of my brain

[Otlecs]

I'm perfectly happy with Keyclone in its current form (and was happy with it in its previous form, and the one before that, and... ;) ). As discussed here, the proposed functionality would be no different to having a programmable keyboard or somesuch.

So long as people don't insert delays in the macro, there's no issue.

[Zappy]

The only fix / feature I'd like to see added at some point relates to the DNP. When DNP is enabled, the hotstrings should be disabled as I don't want anything passed on. Right now, when I want to use an item or equip new gear on clones, etc, etc, it's easiest to just type "/use xxasdxxx" or "/equip xxsxxas", etc. The problem is that if a key that you type exists in a hotstring, the hotstring still maps it to the clones even with DNP enabled. Same thing goes if you have a hotstring associated to the same key that's in your password.

[Coltimar]

I would like this functionality Rob. There are some marcros that I use on every single toon I have so this would be handy. Following, drinking, eating, potions. I use AutoBar so most of the ones I could make would refer to an AB frame.

[Spirithawke]

For the most part I too like keyclone just the way it is. The only thing I would like to see change is that there be a way to turn off how it makes wow always be the top window no matter what. I play windowed mode (just cant wrap my brain around having less of the screen for the main toon) and click on other wow windows as necessary. so sometimes for example I want to bring up ventrillo to see just who is talking....when I go to move the mouse pointer to the vent window I'd I want to adjust something, it disapears below the active wow window.

[zanthor]

If you are talking about having KeyClone generate a UI Mod that generates and makes available macros which can then be bound directly to hotkeys I'd say it's a great idea, ISBoxer has it and I'm utilizing it for many of my more mundane macro's such as mounting/dismounting/jamba follows, etc.

If you are talking about having KeyClone send a series of keystrokes starting with a / such as a recorded macro from G15 then I'd say it's a waste of time, much like the aformentioned mouse.

[Oatboat]

Only thing i would like to see would be some kind of Instant All screen click action. Instead of the mouse broadcast delay action.

for example Druids summoning treants etc. Press Treant button then hold down (shift or any key specified) and left click to instantly click all screens in the position the cursor is in.

Might not be possible.. but if its a wish list :)