Which classes to "RAF level grant" to complete my squad

[Nyth]

This is not really Group Composition, but ultimately comes down to it, so I put this topic here. Feel free to move it if needed (and sorry if I misplaced it)

Ok, here is the idea :

I had two accounts (which combined would have one toon of all 10 classes over 60), and I have opened 3 more to 5-box. So far, I have leveled a team (pally + 4 shammies) and I am currently lvling 5 boomkins, all to 60. I also intend to lvl up 5 DK's to 60, which will be done in a breeze with RAF.

I know for sure that after that, I will not have the will to start over once again. That should be taken as an hypothesis.

I have 60 lvls to spend on Account 1 (29+29+2) and 120 lvls on Account 2 (same breakdown x2). I have done my math and with minimum effort I can climb 4 (1+3) toons to 60 by only lvling them to 20 first, or even 6 toon if I don't crack (I really hate those starting areas now :D ) before I bring them to lvl 30.

Here are all my toons at the moment (all over 60 or soon to be):
2 Pallies 5 Shammies 6 Druids
5 DK 1 Mage
1 Warrior 1 Rogue 1 Priest 1 Lock 1 HunterI was thinking I would grant levels in priority for mages, then hunters and lesser priority would be for warriors and rogues. One other important precision, I don't pvp that much. It's not something I really enjoy, so my teams would mainly be pve.

Any suggestions on how to use best the 4 to 6 level grants I have ? I know there's probably no unique answer (and there's also a chance I will never use these toons anyway) but I'd like to have a feeling which toons would complete my current squad nicely.

Cheers,
Nyth

[Owltoid]

I know you tried to spell it out clearly, but I'm unsure how your accounts link up to each other.

I believe you can only grant 30 levels per account (not 30 per toon leveled to 60 on that account). Somehow you have 180 levels to grant which would lead me to believe you have 6 different RAF accounts. Is this true?

[Nyth]

To clarify things, here is my RAF linkage :

Acc1 <--- Acc3
Acc2 <--- Acc4 + Acc5

I will have leveled two teams from 0 to 60 and the DKs from 55 to 60, so if I am correct, I will be able to grant :

On Acc1 : 29+29+2 levels (thanks to Acc3) = 60 levels
On Acc2 : 29+29+2 levels (thanks to Acc4) and 29+29+2 levels (thanks to Acc5) = 120 levels

The number of levels to be granted is based on a toon, not per account (as I have experienced when RAF dualboxing), e.g. if you level 5 toons from 0 to 60, you will be able to grant 5x29 levels on your "parent" account.

Hope it clears things up :)

[Owltoid]

...The number of levels to be granted is based on a toon, not per account (as I have experienced when RAF dualboxing), e.g. if you level 5 toons from 0 to 60, you will be able to grant 5x29 levels on your "parent" account...

It is my understanding that this is definitely not correct. The account doesn't keep track of how many levels you have "earned." It is apparently against the rules, but you could techinically transfer a 60+ to a new account that has implemented RAF and begin granting levels immediately. In other words, you never earned any levels on that account so I'm not sure where the hidden counter keeping track would come into play. Also, I and others have stated that once you grant your 29 or 30 levels, that's it...

Are you absolutely positive that it works this way because I think many would disagree.

[Nyth]

Hmm, now you make me doubt, but yeah this is how I did it in the first place when I was dualboxing.

I leveled :
pally (recruiter) + mage ("friend") druid (recruiter) + shammy ("friend")Then with that I could level up toon from 0 to 60 by first granting levels on it from the mage, then from the shammy...

I think I have read somewhere that there is an hidden counter that increases every two levels. So transferring a 60+ toon would give nothing. And also transferring the toon you leveled to another account would make him lose its levels grants as well.

Any third opinion / experience on this to settle the subject ?

[Owltoid]

Hmm, now you make me doubt, but yeah this is how I did it in the first place when I was dualboxing.

I leveled :
pally (recruiter) + mage ("friend") druid (recruiter) + shammy ("friend")Then with that I could level up toon from 0 to 60 by first granting levels on it from the mage, then from the shammy...

I think I have read somewhere that there is an hidden counter that increases every two levels. So transferring a 60+ toon would give nothing. And also transferring the toon you leveled to another account would make him lose its levels grants as well.

Any third opinion / experience on this to settle the subject ?

Transferring a 60+ absolutely allows you to grant levels immediately. Please note, this may be against the rules.

Some time back it seemed that there was a RAF reset. In other words, some accounts were able to grant levels again, even if they used up their levels before. It happened to me and I was confused as to why. I thought it was because in the time between when I granted levels and the time when my toon hit 80, I had accumulated more levels to gift. However, after doing research it seemed the Blizzard reset everything and many, including myself, benefited from it.

I'm 100% certain that you can transfer a 60+ to a new account that is RAF linked and gift levels (again, not legal but somewhat proves there is no internal counter as to "earned" levels).

I'm 99.9% certain that the number of levels you can gift is based on account, and not by the number of levels you've earned. Otherwise you would have a ton of people constantly leveling toons from 1-10, using their high level toon to grant levels, and repeating the process.

[Nyth]

I'm 99.9% certain that the number of levels you can gift is based on account, and not by the number of levels you've earned. Otherwise you would have a ton of people constantly leveling toons from 1-10, using their high level toon to grant levels, and repeating the process.That, I'm sure you can't do as you can only grant levels with the toon you leveled on your "friend account" and the toon you grant the level must be a lower level than you are.

So with a lvl10 toon you could grant levels for toon less than lvl 9 on your parent account, which would be not so interesting :)

Hypothetically assuming it is possible, Owltoid, any suggestion on which 4-6 toons would complete my existing toons best ?

[Owltoid]

It seems like you already have some of the popular classes accounted for (shamans, DKs, and druids). You already have so much to work with that I'd look for "fun" combos you may want to try later on. I personally think mage groups and hunter groups could be fun.

[Nyth]

Yep, I guess you're right, there is still quite a lot of work to be done on the main teams (shammies / druids / DKs). I was just thinking ahead a bit, as I have levels to grant which will be over if I wait till I'm finished leveling and equipping these 3 teams!

Your advice on "fun" should be the one to follow. It still opens quite a lot of opportunities :
4x fury wawa charging their prey + a heal
4x shadowstepping rogues could be fun also ^_^ ...This topic was kinda thought to help me identify good combos and those who look good on paper but are not (e.g. maybe my example on rogues is a bad idea after all because of the position dependant skills of the finesse branch)...

[Chranny]

I'm 99.9% certain that the number of levels you can gift is based on account, and not by the number of levels you've earned. Otherwise you would have a ton of people constantly leveling toons from 1-10, using their high level toon to grant levels, and repeating the process.Seems a little contradicting.
If the levels you would able to grant was indeed based per-account, people would be leveling 1-10 to get 5 free levels.
It is my findings and experience that says it's done on a character-to-character basis which means only the toon going from 1-10 will be able to grant 5 free levels to the recruits character/any charater on the friends account below or at the same levels as the recruitees(sp?) character.

[Owltoid]

Seems a little contradicting...

By based on account I meant that each account has a limit to the number of levels it can grant. It doesn't matter if you level 7 guys to 60, you'll only be able to grant a total of 30 (or is it 29?) levels.

[Souca]

The level tracking is done per character. The restriction on who can be granted to, i.e. the referrer is done on account.

Example:

Account A refers Account B. Account C is not connected.

Characters Alice and Bob are leveled from 1-60 on Account A and B. Account C has a level 30, Chris.


Bob has 29 levels to grant. They can be granted to any character level 59 or lower on Account A.
Alice has 29 levels to grant. She can not grant them to any character, as Account A is not referred by any account.
Chris has no levels to grant.

If you transferred Chris to account A, Bob could grant him all 29 levels.

You used to be able to transfer Alice to account B, in which case you could then grant 29 levels to a character on account A. I have not tested this since my last RaF, so I can't confirm if this still works.

One other thing worth noting; levels recieved from RaF granting will earn you levels. If you were to create account D, refered by Account B and a character on D granted 10 levels to a character on B, then that character on B could grant 5 levels to account A. This still works and I have confirmed it last week.

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As for what characters to grant levels to, I suggest you give them to the characters you are least likely to have fun leveling or are hardest to box. I tend to grant to melee classes. This way I can get them to 60 and play them where they start to be fun. I don't mind leveling hunters or mages since I can box them easily and still enjoy them at lower levels. I can't see myself boxing a group of 3 pallies, a rogue and a warrior though.

- Souca -

[Souca]

Seems a little contradicting...

By based on account I meant that each account has a limit to the number of levels it can grant. It doesn't matter if you level 7 guys to 60, you'll only be able to grant a total of 30 (or is it 29?) levels.I have never seen this in action. In fact, I have seen the opposite. I'll try and dig up the exact numbers, but I'm pretty sure I granted more than 29/30 levels last week after a boosting session. What leads you to believe this?

- Souca -

[Owltoid]

I just read the Blizzard FAQ and RAF and it does not mention the account restrictions I thought were in place. If both of you have experienced it, then it's looking like I'm very likely wrong... sorry if that's the case :(

[Souca]

No worries. I was just a little concerned as I'd started up my second wave of RaF. I spent a good deal of the first one just getting used to boxing so I didn't get to level all the alts I wanted. I've only granted close to 30 levels and a little over, so I was hit with a sudden concern that I had used them all.

- Souca -

[shaeman]

I can confirm that the levels earned are earned on the character on the account.

They appear to be allocated at the point your character gains each odd level. (So if you transfer in a 60 toon you wont have levels to gift).

I RAF'ed up a team of shaman on my accounts, then RAF'ed up an alliance team on the same accounts.

[shaeman]

To the original poster - I'm sure your main teams pretty much cover how much fun you would be able to have.

From the sounds of it though you should go with your 4 fury warriors and a priest.

[Nyth]

Huhu, I see that the post has somehow drifted a little bit from its original goal. Still, that completely changed my perspective on fury warriors. I'd have never thought of them as a viable experience, but taking the charge into account, and using them as slaves sent as "homing missiles" (as read on another post on this site) seems quite fun.

It's probably not sustainable for heroics and so on, but might but a refreshing experience...

Anyone has tried rogues with shadowstep to achieve similar things ?

[Owltoid]

I can confirm that the levels earned are earned on the character on the account.

They appear to be allocated at the point your character gains each odd level. (So if you transfer in a 60 toon you wont have levels to gift).

I RAF'ed up a team of shaman on my accounts, then RAF'ed up an alliance team on the same accounts.

Sorry to derail the thread again, but the bolded part is not correct. I know you can transfer a 60 to a fresh RAF linked account and grant levels immediately.

[Souca]

Anyone has tried rogues with shadowstep to achieve similar things ? I'm about to start a group of DKs. Not the same as rogues, but depending on my experience with melee, I may rethink my position on not needing more than one rogue. I know Tasty 5 boxes rogues, to great success I believe.


Owltoid:

On the 60 transfer, any info on the 60? Was it leveled on another RaF account maybe? Or was it a 60 on an account that was never on RaF? I'm trying to figure out teh scenario to see if I can reproduce it ;)

- Souca -

[Owltoid]

Owltoid:

On the 60 transfer, any info on the 60? Was it leveled on another RaF account maybe? Or was it a 60 on an account that was never on RaF? I'm trying to figure out teh scenario to see if I can reproduce it ;)


Accounts:
A
B (RAF source was an account from a friend)
C (RAF source is account B)
D (RAF source is account C)
E (RAF source is account C)

Toon originally on B and leveled to 30. Toon was gifted levels up to 60 from account C. Toon was then transferred onto account E, which was a new account with only one level 1 toon on the entire account. This toon was able to grant 30 levels to a toon on account C immediately.

Please note: this was done before the the user was notified of Blizzard's stance against doing such a thing. Do not do this as it may be against the TOS/EULA.

[Souca]

This makes sense and I have observed this before. Gifted levels count toward levels earned. The character earned 30 levels and then earned another 30 when they were gifted. They had 29 to grant. When you transferred them you just changed who they could grant levels to but the character still had 29 levels to grant.

As for this being against the EULA/ToS, where is that provision? If it it a violation, I'd like to know since I have used this in the past and didn't see it as an exploit since the levels were earned and I was paying to transfer a character, so therefore they should not lose the levels they could grant.

- Souca -

[shaeman]

Owltoid your character had levels to gift as it came from a RAF account and had earned them. (Presumably Blizzards character copy routines transfer this information).

If you moved a level 60 from a non RAF account to a RAF account you wouldn't gain 29 levels to gift.