Unable to destroy Sam Deathwalker (yet)

[Yamio]

If Wilbur isn't laughing, he should be! He has some of the best comments out here. His Fuck You comment still makes me laugh. Not very often does a nice, simple, sweet sounding Fuck You cause so much inspiration. Hell, I've been saying Fuck You to everyone I've seen!

Sam's posts thou I just kinda gloss over. What do I sound like when I read his stuff aloud? "Uhhh....okay....not saying nothing here....yeah yeah....skip this....O RLY....whatever...done. Just about that fast too.

[valkry]

Bugger, forums bug and I can't be bothered re-writing it all. So in short, I don't see the difference between the Nazis and the KKK. We have our shame too. Only difference is I don't get offended by it. I guess words on a screen from an anonymous author don't hurt me /shrug.

[jinx08]

Point one: 'you'll never understand' is the courtiers reply (http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Courtier's_reply ('http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Courtier%27s_reply')), it is foolish to think that someone cannot understand something just because they have not directly experienced it. I'm pretty sure you weren't in Germany when the Nazis were killing Jews, although I readily accept that your family may have suffered greatly and you have my sympathies.

Point two: if you can't recognise the difference between someone making a joke and someone making Nazi propaganda then just grow up/get a life/get a sense of humour/stop being so over sensitive

Lastly: I'm English and we generally like to poke fun at the Germans because we see you as uptight and humourless - you've proved us right once again.hmm... the little prejudices.

let's see...

germans.. humorless, uptight, only have fun once a year during "Oktoberfest" where all get drunk
french.. eating frogs, having a language that sounds a little bit gay
english.. uptight, not well - mostly over / false dressed for the moment, angry, always drunk, loud, tattooed, always in a fight or starting trouble
americans.. cowboys, farmers, superficial, fat, fast-food lovers, don't even know anything about any country outside of america, no history
shall I continue? 8)

and for the rest..
as I've mentioned: you won't understand, you will never understand because you can't understand.
so my words are meaningless. You don't even understand that my generation ain't free yet, although
WWII was ended 60 years ago or that you're "jokes" are based on a person which was responsible for
the death of 55.000.000 people.


grow-up: 30yo
get a life: gf/job/car currently buying a house
get a sense of humor: 55.000.000 will laugh with you
over sensitive: for such jokes, you'd get to jail germany =)

anything more you're trying to say?


Loved your descriptions of how certian countries are looked upon!

A couple of things you missed out.

English- bad teeth (although i'm English, and my teeth are great). Drink alot of tea. Meant to be pretty conservative when it comes to sex (another thing i would have to disagree with)! ;)

Americans- Hill billys, like to sleep with their cousins/ siblings. Like to invade other countires, world police! Play rugby with a load of body armour on and call it 'football'. Oh lol, I could go on and on!

Anyway thanks for the laugh, even if it was only written to make a point! :)

[Knobley]

I've struggled with the thought of how one defines the title of being the best in a social computer game too...

It's in the bunny rabbits. The person who kills the most bunny rabbits is the winner of WoW.

Bunnies aren't sweet
like everybody supposes...
Those big back feet
And twitchy little noses.

I'm telling you... it's all about the bunnies... mark my words.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well those of you who play the game for "fun" and not to be the best then surly shouldn't mind that at some point in the future I'll probably claim to be the best. Thanx in advance.


I know that knowing I'm a better all around player will not distract from the fun value of the game for you. In fact it may well improve your experience as you can bask in my glory (and, if you get on my good side, I just might sell you an autographed picture of myself, for inspirational purposes, at a very reasonable discount).




Germany wisely has instituted laws that will prevent a repeat of prior problems, and should be respected for that.

[Knobley]

That's all well and good, but how many bunnies have you killed?

[Sam DeathWalker]

I killed more bunnies last week then whats his name made potions for casuals.

[elsegundo]

I wanna see sam win a 5v5 pvp arena tournament, you know the ones where people attend and the winners actually win cash.
otherwise, sam's not the best.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Asking a 26 boxer to 5 box is like asking a 5 boxer to fight one on one.

[elsegundo]

Asking a 26 boxer to 5 box is like asking a 5 boxer to fight one on one.what does that matter?

[Sam DeathWalker]

The guy ganking me 8 hours a day who also has 5 level 80 boxed toons is the casual DUHHH pardon my stupid misassuption - Mea Culpa.

5 Level 80 toons and you need someone to give you potions to raid? What da Frog?

Hey you might find this interesting:

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/professions/alchemy.html

[puppychow]

Sorry Sam I am better than you and will always be better than you because I killed a rat in 0.00000000000000000000001 second, you will never be able to beat that.

[Yamio]

Sam, why the hell do you bait everyone? You can't just leave well enough alone. You're always always always stirring the shit.

THAT is a character flaw.

Imma bout ready to jump on this "flick boogers on the nerd" bandwagon too. Just because it looks fun~ :D

[Sam DeathWalker]

He makes a comment, I respond, thats the purpose of forums.

[Yamio]

Duly noted

Personally I want to see this 5 star rated thread going. We haven't covered vehicles, space, body odors, tv dinners, budget cuts, or the Bering Straits yet, so there's plenty of places this wild ass thread can still go.

[Moorea]

Sam, when was the last time you played your 26 guys ? is not playing your way of "winning" ?

random tip for you : spend 10g and get yourself a guild, bank tab will be useful for you auction toon and for extra storage space - you can name your guild whichever you want, like "Best Wow Player in the World"

ps: I'm assuming you have an auction alt but you probably don't as this advice is in every book and wiki about wow and your probably didn't read any, as you think you don't need to learn anything from others experience

[Sam DeathWalker]

I have a city inspection of one of my properties in a few days and need to take care of that. Meanwhile I moving from those stupid 8200 based Motherboards to my nice M2n32 premiums (with 512K ready boost ram so I show liek 3.1G of available on my 32 bit XP).

Meanwhile prepared is still 70 so Im not losing any ground.

Ya I should get a guild but so people can find my guys easy in the armory, the AH is my guild bank lol ....

[Yamio]

You do more hardware moves and change outs than the largest of data centers. Every other day it seems you're changing out this or changing out that. I don't know how many machines you have in your crib, nor am I going to your website to find out, but you need to find one hardware build and stick with it.

Seriouslah...

[Knobley]

We haven't covered vehicles, space, body odors, tv dinners, budget cuts, or the Bering Straits yet, so there's plenty of places this wild ass thread can still go.

I agree... let's keep on topic here...

Kill The Rabbit! ('http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJAXJWm8G4A')

and

More Kill the Rabbit! ('http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIl8YWciCPA')

Knobley

[Yamio]

Knobley....

I needed that. /salute!!!

[glo]

The guy ganking me 8 hours a day who also has 5 level 80 boxed toons is the casual DUHHH pardon my stupid misassuption - Mea Culpa.

5 Level 80 toons and you need someone to give you potions to raid? What da Frog?

Hey you might find this interesting:

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/professions/alchemy.htmlI think I have about 10 level 80s, some 70s, and a bunch of 60s laying around as well. Leveling in wow is nowhere near as hard as you make it look. It's my understanding that leveling in EQ was pretty simple as well but you never got to the cap on there either. So you are pretty much on pace with wow, show up years late and tell everyone how amazing you are while never actually doing anything in the game of note. You can't even shut your mouth long enough to get people to leave you alone grinding your crocodiles. I predict your inability to stfu will cause you to level in instances soon or not at all.

and

Yes I consider myself a casual, my play time is a bit less then the average raider and nowhere near what a hardcore raider would put in.

As far as ganking you 8 hours a day there isn't much to that. I work with computers, when I see you come on it's nothing more then a minute to load wow and another minute to find you followed by a half second to kill you. Not exactly a grueling task.

[RobinGBrown]

over sensitive: for such jokes, you'd get to jail germany =)

anything more you're trying to say?
Two things:

1. You've shown to everyone exactly why Germans are such a fun crowd

2. /ignore

[Yamio]

Did you just inform someone that you /ignored them? What was the purpose of getting into a discussion, saying something about a person's nationality, and then closing the door so you can't hear that person's follow up? You said something about childish behavior in an earlier post and then you do something that seems very very close to that. I know you are not in approval of the way the discussion was going but if you can't handle the reply then don't make the comment.

Just my opinion.

edit: spelling

[Moorea]

In case you didn't notice; there is no "ignore" on these forums

Back on topic: when will sam play and reach ... level 39 on his lowest ?

[Yamio]

If you bring up somebody's profile and you look under their avatar you'll see the words "ignore user".

[Moorea]

If you bring up somebody's profile and you look under their avatar you'll see the words "ignore user".

Thanks ! I searched for that the other day and didn't find the link (only looked in left side of post and directly below the profile; didn't look right side...)

So this thread does contain useful information after all :-)

[beyond-tec]

Two things:

1. You've shown to everyone exactly why Germans are such a fun crowd

2. /ignore :D :D :D :D

welcome to childish behaviour.
now, who's the kid, sweetheart?

no more arguments so /ignore?
these are the proud internet heroes... yelling out things and flaming people in the anonymity of
the internet - when someone counters, running away with his tail between his legs and /ignore.

R-E-S-P-E-C-T.

now you can flame me, I won't counter anymore cuz I'm outta this thread :)

[Moorea]

now you can flame me, I won't counter anymore cuz I'm outta this thread :)
good


back on topic: sam, when will you play again ? (or did you cancel your accounts/run out of RAF again ?)

[glo]

now you can flame me, I won't counter anymore cuz I'm outta this thread :)
good


back on topic: sam, when will you play again ? (or did you cancel your accounts/run out of RAF again ?)
Last Updated: February 14, 2009

He doesn't want to play with us anymore :(

[Sam DeathWalker]

I use my time in an efficient manner, not inefficient. 2 computers upgraded!

[shaeman]

You know what - I don't think Sam is even in WoW to be the best.
I think his main purpose is seeking attention.

I actually think he gets some weird enjoyment out of riling up a bunch of people up. Look at the bickering that has gone on between forum members that had no beef with each other.

If you look at everything he says it is at odds with what he's doing. He says he is/will be the best, yet has possibly the worst levelling record of all.
He says he is all about efficiency, yet nothing he does, nothing, is efficient.

We all know that nothing you say will make a difference.

There's one simple way to get to an attention seeker - Deny them their audience.
Boycott the threads. Do not post a response to anything (I mean anything) he types, no matter how absurd it is.

Turn every Sam Deathwalker thread into the internet equivalent of a ghost town - complete with virtual tumbleweeds.

It's madness to beat your head against a brick wall.

I'm taking my own advice - I will never post on a Sam Deathwalker related thread again unless that is a thread where he is telling us he dinged 80 on all his chars.
At that point he will get a simple "Gratz".

[BoxerFest]

Which shows that 6 months later you still have no clue what the game is about

I found myself transfixed by this thread. Very concerning (that I am transfixed)

I think this quote sort of says it all.......Sam is multi-boxing, playing wow and enjoying himself.

Who is it has no clue I wonder.....

This thread says a hell of a lot about this forum.......interesting that people are banned for absurd reasons. Such as being impolite to mods or for trying to insert balance into software discussions......and yet this sort of disgusting, insulting, griefing is allowed.

I know I know.....if I don't like it I should go away.........but I said at the beginning....I am strangely attracted to this example of 'human' behavior.

[Knobley]

For my part I enjoy reading Sam's posts. They have almost precisely the same entertainment value as Michael Scott of Dunder Mifflin fame.

Knobley

[Tasty]

In fact it may well improve your experience as you can bask in my glory (and, if you get on my good side, I just might sell you an autographed picture of myself, for inspirational purposes, at a very reasonable discount).


I knew it! You really are a troll :D

either that or you're into some really heavy RP

[Yamio]

Nope Tasty, Sam's straight up a troll and that post of his proves it. You can hear him laughing and probably pointing out to his friends as he was typing that post, "Watch me work these guys up into a frenzy."


edit: The more I think about it, the more I think this dude has been playing us. Think about his posts. Every damn thread where he's mentioned or he's the focus of, has more views than any other thread here. Look at that post of Sam's that Tasty quoted. Just looking at it doesn't feel right does it? He knew that comment would generate lots of responses, but it didn't. He thought it would thou. Now think about all his other threads. They don't go anywhere! Not a one of them. They don't serve any purpose.

The only thing they do is cause us to claw at each others throats.

This dude I bet, has been telling his friends to look and see what kind of responses his threads get on dual-boxing.com. He comes here and tells us to look at other threads on other sites where everybody and his brother was talking about him. What's to say he's not doing the same thing on other sites about us?

5 star rated thread indeed! He is wanting it to be that so he can advertise it.

I'm almost willing to bet he's been telling his friends or possibly other forums to come here and look at the stink his threads cause, and oh how popular he is. If that's true, and I think it is now that I think about it, makes him a dirty muthaf$**#a!

Go fuck yourself Sam.

[Moorea]

If sam ever comes back to play wow, you can track him with an add on I wrote just for him (my first addon so don't expect too much)

http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/whotracker.aspx

If Sam comes back it will generate entries like

Feb 20 02:07 26 online. 10x level 38, 15x level 39, 1x level 40. 1 in Shattrah City, 25 in Swamp of Sorrows.

So you can see which zones Sam is in and if he (ever) dings


ps: edited with curse url

[Yamio]

lol I believe this has taken camping to a whole new level.

[Khatovar]

Famous, infamous, some people don't care. I just wish these threads would die because I'm sick of seeing them pop up.

[Sam DeathWalker]

I got tons of RL stuffs to take care of, have to basically redo a whole apartment (kitchen remodle, roof, floor, bathroom remodel, electrical) that I havn't done anything to for like 15 years (tenant never moved and because the rent is low never complained). But this of course allows me to stabilize my financial situation so that I can afford whatever.

I only compare my progress against prepared and its still

Sam 38
Prepared 70

http://www.wowarmory.com/guild-info.xml?r=Aegwynn&n=We%20Are%20Prepared&p=1

He has not gained a single level in how long? And yet I don't see everyone saying that he is the slowest leveler ever .... Has he played since Feb 11th?



I made the top best in EQ (pre SoD). Given the fact I won the pervious big name game, why do you think I won't win this one? Also you have noticed that in WoW you don't need Alt AA's (basically grinding to 80 then having to gind to 80 again), so its like 1/4th as easy to level in WoW (with RAF) then it is in EQ.

If I wasn't the best then who was and why.

You guys keep avoiding the question or coming with answers like "whoever makes the most potions for casuals" or some such. Or "Everyone is the best".

Lets hear some stright logical answers.

And to the guys that say I don't know anything about wow let me ask a simple question: Do you own a Lua editor?

As to leveling everyday and every thread we have different answers. One guy says quests is the fastest, then another says instance boosting is the bomb, then another says AOE ftw ... why dont you all agree on what the fastest way to level is then tell me. At any rate 2 of my guys have the achivment of 50 quests completed so you can't say I dont quest.

As to computers you genius guys is telling me that you take a motherboard, cpu, ram, power supply, lap the cpu heat sink, case and put them all together and install the operating system up to getting wow to run in one day. Ya sure lol ... I'v put together so many computers that I have the motherboard to case pins positions memorized (where you connect the speaker, hdd light, power switch, reset switch and power light) - do you? Didn't think so.


I hope people use that add on, saves me a lot of trouble when my victims come to me.

[glo]

I only compare my progress against prepared and its still

Sam 38
Prepared 70

http://www.wowarmory.com/guild-info.xml?r=Aegwynn&n=We%20Are%20Prepared&p=1

He has not gained a single level in how long? And yet I don't see everyone saying that he is the slowest leveler ever .... Has he played since Feb 11th?
Last update I saw from prepared said that he was working on his 10 man team which was approaching the level cap. Are you comparing your progress to those of his characters that aren't being played? That's about the only way you would win any type of leveling contest. At the rate you level he has a year head start on you anyway.


I made the top best in EQ (pre SoD). Given the fact I won the pervious big name game, why do you think I won't win this one? Also you have noticed that in WoW you don't need Alt AA's (basically grinding to 80 then having to gind to 80 again), so its like 1/4th as easy to level in WoW (with RAF) then it is in EQ.

If I wasn't the best then who was and why. If you won why are you still paying for accounts? Winning would imply that you have finished the game would it not? The simple fact is you did nothing in EQ but run your mouth and partially level some characters, so far you have done the same in wow, guess you have won wow as well. You should move on.

I'm sure the millions of people that played the game would give you a million different answers. Your name wouldn't be one of them.

And to the guys that say I don't know anything about wow let me ask a simple question: Do you own a Lua editor? I own a wrench, does that make me a mechanic? I own a car, surely that makes me a race car driver? You installed a little LUA editing utility, are you the best addon author now as well?


As to leveling everyday and every thread we have different answers. One guy says quests is the fastest, then another says instance boosting is the bomb, then another says AOE ftw ... why dont you all agree on what the fastest way to level is then tell me. At any rate 2 of my guys have the achivment of 50 quests completed so you can't say I dont quest. Obviously instance boosting isn't an option to you since you haven't leveled a character past 40. I don't recall anyone on these boards every suggesting AOE leveling for you, there isn't really anywhere in the game to level 26 characters doing AOE and you don't have any AOE classes anyway. That leaves questing and mob grinding, both have problems for you. Mob grinding is redicuosly slow for 26 characters. Questing is giving you in particular a hard time because you choose quests that are stupid to box. Doing collection quests that literally take days to do is moronic.


As to computers you genius guys is telling me that you take a motherboard, cpu, ram, power supply, lap the cpu heat sink, case and put them all together and install the operating system up to getting wow to run in one day. Ya sure lol ... I'v put together so many computers that I have the motherboard to case pins positions memorized (where you connect the speaker, hdd light, power switch, reset switch and power light) - do you? Didn't think so. Changing the hardware would take about 20-30 minutes if you take your time. Windows would depend on the system. I would assume these are halfway decent machines so another 30 minutes. Anybody with half a brain backed up there wow folder before starting this project so another 10 minutes to an hour(if you are using a really slow backup) for this step. So about 2 hours, yeah, 2 days sounds about right for you. It's all those breaks you take to pat yourself on the back and run around the house yelling how great you are.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Last update I saw from prepared said that he was working on his 10 man team which was approaching the level cap. Are you comparing your progress to those of his characters that aren't being played? That's about the only way you would win any type of leveling contest. At the rate you level he has a year head start on you anyway.

I thought that his guild leader was his main toon, whats the name of the 10 man team? He has 32 level 70's and is working on another 10 level 80's? Whats their names?


EQ but run your mouth and partially level some characters When I stoped I had:

http://eqplayers.station.sony.com/guild_profile.vm?guildId=631360193720

Exactly what you want me to do with them that someone else can do with their guys, that I can't do? Who has more powerfull guys then mine, Pre-Sod? Link their characters or guild.


Your name wouldn't be one of them.

Anyone who wanted to brag about what they did was free to post in this thread which was sticky for months:

http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/posts/list.m?topic_id=133048

And it appears from the comments I won ......


I own a wrench, does that make me a mechanic? I own a car, surely that makes me a race car driver? You installed a little LUA editing utility, are you the best addon author now as well?

Owning a wrench dosn't make you a mechanic, but not owning one dosn't give you the right to claim you are a better mechanic then someone who does ......

You dont own a lue editor, meaning you probably dont program in Lua like I do ... that dons't give you the right to say you know more about WoW then I do .... lol.


and you don't have any AOE classes anyway

Fire nova totem is not AOE? Consecrate is not AOE ..? Gee you sure know a lot more about WoW then I do.


Doing collection quests that literally take days to do is moronic. OK I'll give you that one I thought when wowhead said that the quest is "shared" that it ment all can loot the quest item off of one kill. Guess not. So what list of boxer friendly quests do you recomend I follow?


Changing the hardware would take about 20-30 minutes if you take your time. Windows would depend on the system. I would assume these are halfway decent machines so another 30 minutes. Anybody with half a brain backed up there wow folder before starting this project so another 10 minutes to an hour(if you are using a really slow backup) for this step. So about 2 hours, yeah, 2 days sounds about right for you. It's all those breaks you take to pat yourself on the back and run around the house yelling how great you are.

So every computer you have built and every software you have installed always works abosolutly perfectly the first time you turn it on, you don't have to adjust bios settings or anything, wow you are good. You should strighten up all those stupid idiots that post all their problems on different computer forums, espically the manufaturers web site, help them out a bit with your vaste knowledge of computers. So how do you lap your heat sinks anyways?

[Moorea]

I own a wrench, does that make me a mechanic? I own a car, surely that makes me a race car driver? You installed a little LUA editing utility, are you the best addon author now as well?

Owning a wrench dosn't make you a mechanic, but not owning one dosn't give you the right to claim you are a better mechanic then someone who does ......

You dont own a lue editor, meaning you probably dont program in Lua like I do ... that dons't give you the right to say you know more about WoW then I do .... lol.

Oh what is it that you wrote in "lue" (it's lua btw) ? given you can't write html I doubt you can write any lua...

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well I haven't written much of anything in Lua but I know how to edit files others have written and how to read what they wrote and understand it mostly. But if I need to write something in Lua I doubt it would be that hard, I have done Fortran, Binary, machine code and some visual basic.

I did the HTML for samdeathwalker.com how do you say I don't know html?

This is some of my better HTML (selling those worse then my m2n32 premium vista motherboards):

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/sys/1034606067.html

[Kayley]

Im just upgradeing computers a bit (I have all the parts why not use them). For some reason when Death and Decay hit me my screens seems to slow down (cept the main) and Im not running out of it like I should, hopefully with some improvments Ill be able to run out of it fasts.

Im also getting tons of RL stuff done. More money I make irl the more I can just buy more raf ....




That's "your" way on how to measure it

How do you measure it then?

I don't. I play this game to have fun not to be the best WoW player.Your fun isn't so fun for the Horde... 'Ambassador'

[Tasty]

Im just upgradeing computers a bit (I have all the parts why not use them). For some reason when Death and Decay hit me my screens seems to slow down (cept the main) and Im not running out of it like I should, hopefully with some improvments Ill be able to run out of it fasts.

Im also getting tons of RL stuff done. More money I make irl the more I can just buy more raf ....




That's "your" way on how to measure it

How do you measure it then?

I don't. I play this game to have fun not to be the best WoW player.Your fun isn't so fun for the Horde... 'Ambassador'
Actually its Diplomat :P

[EaTCarbS]

this "samdeathwalker.com" is horrible. Not so much the coding as they layout design. when you have to scroll side-to-side when using a 25" widescreen, you know there are design flaws with the site in question.

[Moorea]

Well I haven't written much of anything in Lua but I know how to edit files others have written and how to read what they wrote and understand it mostly. But if I need to write something in Lua I doubt it would be that hard, I have done Fortran, Binary, machine code and some visual basic.


Oh, you've done "Binary" what's that ? You program directly with 0 and 1, and went to school 20 miles by foot in the snow, up hill, both ways too ?



I did the HTML for samdeathwalker.com how do you say I don't know html?

My point exactly !

[glo]

He thinks saying he can code in binary will impress someone. All it does is put a huge exclamation mark on the end of the word "clueless" tattooed on his forehead. This guy is dumb as shit.

[Sam DeathWalker]

I did binary when I worked with TTL chips. Put together chips like multiplexers and nand gates and whatnot to get results. Old stuff before yur all times. Doubt it would impress anyone in this day and age, but when you programe in say Basic thats converted to machine code which then goes into "and" "nand" "or" plus other gates as binary .... kinda like whats inside the processor, which is just tons of gates.

Ya the SAMDEATHWALKER.COM site needs some updating for sure, I guess cuase my resolution is 1900 X 1200 I didnt notice the side to side scolling well ya needs work.

Still the fact is that after 6000 plus reads of this post none has suggested that anyone else outside of me has won EQ (pre-SoD), Ill take that as conformation that I did. Thanx.

Dont forget I'm 56 years old, are you guys all smarter then other 56 year olds? How bout at your job, is the boss of your company closer to your age or mine? Older people have just been around longer and have put in more hours on most everything as compared to younger people ... Just like yur smarter then someone 10 years younger then you, and like you are smarter now then you were 10 years ago. If you are smart now, how much more smarter will you be 20 or 30 years from now?

Also I live in San Jose, CA. Thats Silicon Valley - the most technologically advanced location on the Planet.

[Moorea]

Grats on some progress today:

Sat Feb 21 07:38 1 online. 1 x lvl 40, 1 in Thunder Bluff
Sat Feb 21 07:52 6 online. 3 x lvl 39, 2 x lvl 38, 1 x lvl 40, 1 in Thunder Bluff, 5 in Swamp of Sorrows
Sat Feb 21 07:53 16 online. 7 x lvl 39, 8 x lvl 38, 1 x lvl 40, 16 in Swamp of Sorrows
Sat Feb 21 07:54 21 online. 9 x lvl 39, 11 x lvl 38, 1 x lvl 40, 21 in Swamp of Sorrows
Sat Feb 21 07:55 26 online. 9 x lvl 39, 16 x lvl 38, 1 x lvl 40, 26 in Swamp of Sorrows
Sat Feb 21 07:56 6 online. 3 x lvl 39, 2 x lvl 38, 1 x lvl 40, 6 in Swamp of Sorrows
Sat Feb 21 07:58 0 online.
Sat Feb 21 08:00 11 online. 5 x lvl 39, 5 x lvl 38, 1 x lvl 40, 11 in Swamp of Sorrows
Sat Feb 21 08:01 21 online. 9 x lvl 39, 11 x lvl 38, 1 x lvl 40, 21 in Swamp of Sorrows
Sat Feb 21 08:02 26 online. 9 x lvl 39, 16 x lvl 38, 1 x lvl 40, 26 in Swamp of Sorrows
Sat Feb 21 08:48 26 online. 9 x lvl 39, 1 x lvl 41, 16 x lvl 38, 26 in Swamp of Sorrows
Sat Feb 21 08:49 26 online. 10 x lvl 39, 1 x lvl 41, 15 x lvl 38, 26 in Swamp of Sorrows
Sat Feb 21 08:52 26 online. 13 x lvl 39, 1 x lvl 41, 12 x lvl 38, 26 in Swamp of Sorrows
Sat Feb 21 08:53 0 online.

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[Moorea]

Also I live in San Jose, CA. Thats Silicon Valley - the most technologically advanced location on the Planet.

So advanced you can't get decent network access in many places (ie you should consider yourself happy with 1.5mbs DSL when many countries have 10mbs+ fiber for years)

Also so advanced it has electricity blackouts; poor cell phone reception; horrible infrastructure, etc...

Silicon Valley is where there is the biggest concentration of tech companies but far far from "the most technologically advanced location on the Planet". But even if it was; that says nothing about you...

[blast3r]

jeezus, don't you people ever run into eccentric people sometimes? Sam is unusual and doesn't think like most of us here. It is useless to try and fight with him on things because he is who he is.

[Sam DeathWalker]

You actually don't get more intelligent as you age. You can acquire more experience

You have more memories and thus more knowledge. Also you have done more things, simply because you have had more hours alive to do so....

I have 6.0 dsl here is San Jose.


Clueless. You really don't care how stupid you look as long as people are looking huh? You don't appear to know the difference between assembly and binary or really know anything at all. It looks like you did a couple google searches, threw a few terms you found together and posted it thinking you were talking to a bunch of people as clueless as yourself.

Your arguments are little more then conclusory allegation with no factual basis. Machine code is just another name for assembly language. Why would I bother to lie about such old mundan stuffs anyways?


It isnt how much or less smarter you will be then me in 20 years, but will you know more then you know now in 20 years?

[glo]

Your arguments are little more then conclusory allegation with no factual basis.
I swear if not for the horrible spelling it would like like you just copy and paste things you think sound intelligent off the internet.
Machine code is just another name for assembly language. Why would I bother to lie about such old mundan stuffs anyways? That's great, pretty sure we were talking about binary and how you are some kind of binary coding genius when you started giving an example using simple assembly opcodes. Nobody has coded in binary since around the time punch cards went out of style. When you say you code in binary you make those that have a clue think you are an obnoxious blowhard who knows nothing. Is that your goal? If so you are done and you can give it a rest now.
It isnt how much or less smarter you will be then me in 20 years, but will you know more then you know now in 20 years? Experience != Intelligence

Even a binary coding slum lord should know that.

[Sam DeathWalker]

When you put TTL chips together to do something you are doing binary programing because TTL is only 0 volts or plus 5.

You guys might luck out, I am really giving Aion a serious look:

http://www.aion-esp.com/comunidad/showthread.php?t=1700


All you have are memories. Call it what you will. As you get older you have more.


At any rate we are getting off course. You claim you are the better WoW player then I am, based on what I would assume is yur superior in game force. If you claim to be better then I am exactly why are you better. No matter what reason you give at some point in time my 26 guys will surpass that. You keep bringing up obfusactory side issues of no importance to avoid the main issue which is why you will some day be no more then yet another victim of TeH MIGHTY DEATHWALKER!

[glo]

When you put TTL chips together to do something you are doing binary programing because TTL is only 0 volts or plus 5.

You guys might luck out, I am really giving Aion a serious look:

http://www.aion-esp.com/comunidad/showthread.php?t=1700


All you have are memories. Call it what you will. As you get older you have more.


At any rate we are getting off course. You claim you are the better WoW player then I am, based on what I would assume is yur superior in game force. If you claim to be better then I am exactly why are you better. No matter what reason you give at some point in time my 26 guys will surpass that. You keep bringing up obfusactory side issues of no importance to avoid the main issue which is why you will some day be no more then yet another victim of TeH MIGHTY DEATHWALKER!You appear to be talking to me but you are claiming I said something I never have.

I have stated that you are stupid, yes. Arrogant, retarded, moronic, not very bright, slow, ignorant, a bad speller, a know nothing attention whore, a diaper wearing, std of the month card carrying, in great need of a haircut, blowhard. Never have you seen me claim to be good at wow or any other video game, or anything at all really. The simple act of stating you are the best at a social game marks you as a douche right from the start. That is equivalent to going out into your neighborhood and shouting at everyone you see that you are "the best person". I'm sure your neighbors already realize you are off your rocker but for most of us that would be frowned upon.

I've never stated I am better then you but I do think it unlikely you will ever do anything in this game I have not, nor do I think you will ever come out on top in a pvp encounter against me. What I do see happening is you continuing to run your mouth and ending up playing another game because you can't level. Guess we might luck out huh?

[glo]

Harder to get to town to work on professions then you thought huh?

Properly motivated and knowledgeable campers == you don't get to play

Good night, hope to see you soon!

[Moorea]

Hmmm so you're going to give up your claims of becoming something in wow and switch to a free to play game instead ? I guess at least you'll save money and probably nobody will bother you there, even if it takes you years to get to level... when you get to that new community, try to not piss them off maybe ?

Don't let the door hit you on the way out... (though I would be curious how long a solo player can continue to kill all 26 of your toon... my guess is at your rate, forever... but maybe not)

[ThisIsDrakul]

so I resigned as a mod in order to do so

Ooops....sorry....missed that.....

NOW THAT IS REALLY PARTY TIME



You seem to have missed the point, even from the last time you were crying about

mod 'injustice' Its Jeff's site, he appoints who he wants, its not a democracy, if you dont like it, piss off.

Hahaha too funny......it's you my infantile friend that is smoking the crack. (Before you comment...no you are not my friend......it just rolled off the keyboard nicely) I have never complained about this not being a democracy. I have complained about assholes pretending they have no bias when it is patently clear they have. However, I don't want to revisit that (not quite sure how it has entered this thread) I lost that little set of 'interactions', and haven't really given it any thought since (unlike you it appears)

I really don't give a flying fart about this being a democracy. I do care a bit about hipocracy though.....I also do get irritated about racist bigoted communities......I shouldn't .......it is a waste of brain cycles...

And you are right.......if I want I can piss off.......I don't want to.....I'd rather contribute a little to stopping the lynch mob........

[Wilbur]

Haha, I just reviewed our PM conversation from a couple of months ago.

Want me to post them? :P

[ThisIsDrakul]

Haha.....you can do what you like........

I have no recollection of pms to you........and the account I used is probably banned....

[ThisIsDrakul]

Was I really crapping on about democracy????? doesn't sound very likely to me.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well Walllber if you're not a mod then take whatever shots you want, it didn't bother me when you were a Mod, just that you could lock or edit posts.

Surely you are intitled to your opinion and rest assured I will give it all the consideration that your opinion deserves (none).

Ya no leveling yesterday, well not much, but 2 X zero is still zero. LoL it takes 6 level 55's plus to attack TeH MIGHTY DEATHWALKER! Whats next yur whole guild joins the fun? More free victims for me I say. I think you notice my guys were not as slow getting out of dandd this time.

I am drawn to Aion regardless of cost, have you seen the graphics ... duh ... I mean how did I get stuck playing cows ...

Anyway even if I dont gain anymore levels Ill be able to do my 31 box raf strat come April.

16 - 8 - 4 - 2 - 1

Which means I only need level up 16 and the other 15 are free.


So whats the name of the 10 box crew Prepared is working on?

[Wilbur]

Was I really crapping on about democracy????? doesn't sound very likely to me.

Under the username Krumbly.

[Moorea]

LoL it takes 6 level 55's plus to attack TeH MIGHTY DEATHWALKER!

Actually, no, it took just me (Loja) to kill all your guys; the first few times it took longer than usual and I wondered if you somehow made progress... but I realized I had none of my weapons or trinkets equipped; so killing you bare hands took a little time; but still... a single DK can kill all 26 of your guys... I think on my 5 box team, I could kill solo 60s around level 40... but you have 26 of them yet unable to do anything to my 1 dk ....

Here is a challenge for you: I'll stop saying you're the worst wow player when you can kill my 1 DK 4 times in a row with your 26 guys, without my guy killing more than 3 of yours each time. To make it easier for you I won't level that DK anymore, it'll stay at 62. You have to do that before your 1 year anniversary (end of august 2009) - my bet is you won't make it.

ps: nobody forced you to make cows; if you need eye candy, blood elves, night elves and humans look fine in wow - you can always start over given you've been as far in the game as someone with 1 free weekend (evening?) would get

[glo]

Ya no leveling yesterday, well not much, but 2 X zero is still zero. LoL it takes 6 level 55's plus to attack TeH MIGHTY DEATHWALKER! Whats next yur whole guild joins the fun? More free victims for me I say. I think you notice my guys were not as slow getting out of dandd this time.
You are being killed by a single level 62 character repeatedly. I've sat there and watched him wreck you over and over without even dismounting myself. Last night all I did was watch the GY while he had all the fun. If you hadn't tried to spirit rez and hearth your main while sacrificing the other 25 I wouldn't have even had a kill, have to say those couple kills did make me smile though. So no, it doesn't take 6 to attack your 26, that just happens to be how many characters were lying around at the time. As far as the DnD lag, I've never seen you alive for more then a second so I can't really speak on the subject.
Anyway even if I dont gain anymore levels Ill be able to do my 31 box raf strat come April.

16 - 8 - 4 - 2 - 1

Which means I only need level up 16 and the other 15 are free. 31 is a much better number for killing murlocs. Those guys are tough. Actually you should probably look at getting a full raid together for a job that size.
So whats the name of the 10 box crew Prepared is working on? I imagine we will find out when he is done leveling them.

[ThisIsDrakul]

Was I really crapping on about democracy????? doesn't sound very likely to me.

Under the username Krumbly.

Indeed this username is banned and can't access pms.... :P

[Sam DeathWalker]

Did you kill DK's when you were 40?

Many claim that DK is overpowered in PvP. Still I do get him down to 1 health but then he zooms up again.

But whatever going to do instances untill I get stonger. Even 5 can aoe SM.

[Moorea]

If you can manage SM Cath (left locked door) or even SM Armory (right locked door) - to get he key you need to complete the Library (right most wing) - at your level - I'd be impressed - send armory link with achievement or drop from those

ps1: yes you killed me once today; but I also killed all your guys (and I think that was when I was unarmed or not really paying attention... do it 3 more times in a raw and without loosing so many of yours and I'll be impressed) - ps2: there was no DKs when my team was 40... so I can't say I killed DKs at 40 but I'm pretty sure I killed other 60s

[glo]

The guy ganking me 8 hours a day who also has 5 level 80 boxed toons is the casual DUHHH pardon my stupid misassuption - Mea Culpa.

5 Level 80 toons and you need someone to give you potions to raid? What da Frog?

Hey you might find this interesting:

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/professions/alchemy.htmlI think I have about 10 level 80s, some 70s, and a bunch of 60s laying around as well. Leveling in wow is nowhere near as hard as you make it look. It's my understanding that leveling in EQ was pretty simple as well but you never got to the cap on there either. So you are pretty much on pace with wow, show up years late and tell everyone how amazing you are while never actually doing anything in the game of note. You can't even shut your mouth long enough to get people to leave you alone grinding your crocodiles. I predict your inability to stfu will cause you to level in instances soon or not at all.

and

Yes I consider myself a casual, my play time is a bit less then the average raider and nowhere near what a hardcore raider would put in.

As far as ganking you 8 hours a day there isn't much to that. I work with computers, when I see you come on it's nothing more then a minute to load wow and another minute to find you followed by a half second to kill you. Not exactly a grueling task.I'm like f'n Nostradamus or something ;)

[Wilbur]

Hah, he should post that "HES THE BEST" on his realm forums, then see what happens.

[glo]

Hah, he should post that "HES THE BEST" on his realm forums, then see what happens.I made a prediction about that way back when he first started making the silly posts here. If he ever lets that ego loose on his realm forum it's over, he'll have to level instances to ever have a chance at hitting the cap.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Im not the best yet, but like 6 millionth and moving up. I picked Ner'zhul spicifically because they had a larger Allience population so that I would have more victims.

[Moorea]

Im not the best yet, but like 6 millionth and moving up. I picked Ner'zhul spicifically because they had a larger Allience population so that I would have more victims.


You're not #6million and you're not moving up but down (as the more time passes and you stay at level 38 after 7 months of play, that makes you dead last... I think even 6 year olds probably passed level 38 after 7 months)

You're delusional even about your current (lack of) accomplishments

[Yamio]

Sam baits you guys again and again, and you're still falling for it. You know, (and more importantly HE knows), it's gonna drive somebody ape-shit. Stop falling for this infantile shit.

[RobinGBrown]

Stop falling for this infantile shit.But he (Sam) is a troll and troll baiting is fun, certainly more fun then actually reading any of his nonsense! I've got him on ignore so I don't have to read his egotistical drivel but this thread is still epic.

[EaTCarbS]

wait... who is trolling who?

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well doing SM runs now ... just got the key tonight, I hate playing only 5 but it sure is easy as follow is very very stable, and no lag. Big plus obviously is that the mobs are elite so 2 X the exp helps a lot. Running the Pal and 4 shaman (the two at the end of the chain). So everytime I level a group of 2 at the chain end the other 3 also gains the level. SO ihave to level up 2 groups and 2 toons (can swap in when 2 of the group dings). Lots of downtime for mana regen though so maybe Ill have a 2nd group to switch between, while one regens the other is fighting. Take a while to set up but save like 30-40 percent of my time.

Just found out about warlock have summon ritual so I gonna make some ... MOOOOHAHAHA

Winning some more Ebay acutions, have all 6 of the good m2n32 vista premium motherboards and 3 of the Athlon 6400 X2 (my others are 5600 which need replacement), just need 3 more 6400's and my systems be screaming (they clock at 3.2G, making them faster for moving data then the 3 and 4 cores).

[Moorea]

not sure how you setup your groups vs raf but you may want to double check you're getting the raf bonus xp on all toons when you change your groups setup to do 5 mans

why do you need so many motherboards ? you should be able to have at least 4 wow per computer (I 5x box fine on 1 laptop) so at most you should need 7 computers (if somehow you wanted only 4 for display reason and 1 "main' alone for eyecandy reason)

[Sam DeathWalker]

No the Pal dosnt get raf but he dosnt need it. The other 4 are getting like 300-500 exp a kill lol. I have 6 computers. One for the Pal, and 5 X 5 shaman on the others. So 6 total. Just upgrading all the time.

[Bigfish]

This just in, I have destroyed Sam Deathwalker, and drunk deeply from the mighty cup of victory. You can all stop posting now.

[glo]

This just in, I have destroyed Sam Deathwalker, and drunk deeply from the mighty cup of victory. You can all stop posting now.Typing your password to login is actually the hardest part of killing him ;)

[RobinGBrown]

I notice that Sam has switched to doing 5 man SM runs now - looks like six months of advice has _finally_ gotten through to him. He's certainly the best at taking the longest time to level!

[glo]

I notice that Sam has switched to doing 5 man SM runs now - looks like six months of advice has _finally_ gotten through to him. He's certainly the best at taking the longest time to level!It's not so much listening to advice as it is having a lack of options. He rarely gets to be on the server more then a few minutes before being killed and camped.

[BoxerFest]

He rarely gets to be on the server more then a few minutes before being killed and camped.

This 'community' should be very proud. Great stuff you are all wonderful human beings

[Yamio]

Sorry, but you cannot know the history between certain members of the community and Sam. Whenever the community sees something that we as a whole are against, we mostly band together and chastise the person or persons that are in the wrong, but you don't see that happening in this case.

Sam has rubbed a lot of people wrong here, and those who can't seem to get thru to him on the forums are stating how they feel towards him in person. I am totally indifferent to him getting ganked over and over by members of the community. Whether he deserves it or not, some members here are pursuing it.

Sam doesn't seem to mind very much, at least that's what it seems like by what he's saying, so really, who cares? This is between the people who are lying in wait, and Sam. If he's not crying foul then it's not for anybody else to say.

[Moorea]

Only 1 toon left at 38, progress (slow, but progress) :

Mon Feb 23 01:25 26 online. 12 x lvl 38, 13 x lvl 39, 1 x lvl 41, 25 in Scarlet Monastery, 1 in Shattrath City
Mon Feb 23 23:23 26 online. 3 x lvl 38, 18 x lvl 39, 4 x lvl 40, 1 x lvl 41, 26 in Scarlet Monastery
Wed Feb 25 02:13 26 online. 1 x lvl 38, 12 x lvl 39, 12 x lvl 40, 1 x lvl 42, 26 in Thunder Bluff

Sam: how come you haven 't done more than Doan in SM - with a level 42 pally and 4 level 40 shammies you should easily do all of SM

Where are you headed now ?

[glo]

He rarely gets to be on the server more then a few minutes before being killed and camped.

This 'community' should be very proud. Great stuff you are all wonderful human beingsThe challenge was made, the challenge was accepted. If you think pvp in a video game makes any of us a lesser human being then I for one could not possibly care less about your opinion.

If you can't handle the verbal sparring or pixel on pixel violence found in this thread then gtfo and have a great day!

[Sam DeathWalker]

I played on SZ, ganking there was 100 times more then the wannabe gankers in WoW ... lol. Not sure where next, got some mail and chain heal then Ill see whats up. Sides I didnt pick a pvp server to not pvp .....

[BoxerFest]

The challenge was made, the challenge was accepted. If you think pvp in a video game makes any of us a lesser human being then I for one could not possibly care less about your opinion.

OMIGOD Really? I so thought you cared......Actually my only reason for posting is to encourage the reasonable, intelligent people who might stumble across this thread and feel as I did, (ie that this forum was full of racist bigoted infantile assholes)


If you can't handle the verbal sparring or pixel on pixel violence found in this thread then gtfo and have a great day!

Please don't flatter yourself, this thread is hardly verbal sparring.

[Tasty]

The challenge was made, the challenge was accepted. If you think pvp in a video game makes any of us a lesser human being then I for one could not possibly care less about your opinion.

OMIGOD Really? I so thought you cared......Actually my only reason for posting is to encourage the reasonable, intelligent people who might stumble across this thread and feel as I did, (ie that this forum was full of racist bigoted infantile assholes)


If you can't handle the verbal sparring or pixel on pixel violence found in this thread then gtfo and have a great day!

Please don't flatter yourself, this thread is hardly verbal sparring.

Calm down buddy

[Svpernova09]

If you don't like what someone is posting, ignore them. Click on their name, on the right side of their profile is an ignore option. Use it.

[Bigfish]

But how can I be incensed by what other people say if I can't read what they said?

[BoxerFest]

Calm down buddy

Ok

[Moorea]

New AddOn: WhoTracker ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=19509') partial update:

Wed Feb 25 13:10 26 online. 1 x lvl 38, 12 x lvl 39, 12 x lvl 40, 1 x lvl 42, 26 in Tanaris
Thu Feb 26 12:41 26 online. 5 x lvl 39, 20 x lvl 40, 1 x lvl 42, 26 in Tanaris


sadly I missed the begining and then when I logged in to try to find sam in tanaris he logged out... coward :-)

[Sam DeathWalker]

Lowest is 40 now MOOHHAHAHAH

All have chain heal and learned mail.


MOOOHAHAHHA!!!!!!

What a bunch of inept gankers I've ever seen ..... I hope you guys do better in WG.

[glo]

New AddOn: WhoTracker ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=19509') partial update:

Wed Feb 25 13:10 26 online. 1 x lvl 38, 12 x lvl 39, 12 x lvl 40, 1 x lvl 42, 26 in Tanaris
Thu Feb 26 12:41 26 online. 5 x lvl 39, 20 x lvl 40, 1 x lvl 42, 26 in Tanaris


sadly I missed the begining and then when I logged in to try to find sam in tanaris he logged out... coward :-)Wannabe ganker.

=P

[glo]

Lowest is 40 now MOOHHAHAHAH

All have chain heal and learned mail.


MOOOHAHAHHA!!!!!!

What a bunch of inept gankers I've ever seen ..... I hope you guys do better in WG.Level 40! Woooooooooooooo!

You are on your way son. Another year or two and you can start gearing that army! I can see it now, everyone is level 100, you are killing level 80 mobs getting ready for the next game where you can claim to be best pre-whatever expansion is out in wow. It's going to be amazing, you are amazing(in your own mind) sam!

[SilverSlice]

Hmm, more tests? That blue post above was from today and another blue post pointed to it stating that cross realm DKs weren't implemented. You're sure you don't already have a char on archimonde 55+?


Go try it ! It works, as I stated in my post, I have already created 12 death knights on Ner'Zhul. I logged out because I decided to create 40 of them instead, but now I cannot get connected. Looks like the login server is down. /lol

40 deathknigths with perma ghoul pet and gargoyle & army of death. i can allready feel the premade av's you can make and the number of gm's blizzard have to hire just to take the extra tickets that will be created by those you slay dead in in bg's or world pvp

way to go and gratz preperd

[Moorea]

Sadly I had tons of work these past few days ... so Sam made a lot of progress (glo - did you gank him in tanaris ?)

Thu Feb 26 15:34 26 online. 5 x lvl 39, 20 x lvl 40, 1 x lvl 42, 26 in Tanaris
Thu Feb 26 18:10 26 online. 5 x lvl 39, 17 x lvl 40, 3 x lvl 41, 1 x lvl 42, 26 in Tanaris
Thu Feb 26 18:46 26 online. 3 x lvl 39, 18 x lvl 40, 4 x lvl 41, 1 x lvl 43, 26 in Shattrath City
Thu Feb 26 18:55 26 online. 21 x lvl 40, 4 x lvl 41, 1 x lvl 43, 26 in Thunder Bluff

so, sam, you bought you're last 3 39->40 through cloth turn ins or what ?

Can't wait to meet the new you to see if you're any harder to kill than 2 levels ago (wow; 2 levels in 1 week; that's fastest ever for you - at this rate you might hit 60 in just 3 RAFs... amazing)

[glo]

Sadly I had tons of work these past few days ... so Sam made a lot of progress (glo - did you gank him in tanaris ?)



Can't wait to meet the new you to see if you're any harder to kill than 2 levels ago (wow; 2 levels in 1 week; that's fastest ever for you - at this rate you might hit 60 in just 3 RAFs... amazing)Last time I saw him he was still in SM.
so, sam, you bought you're last 3 39->40 through cloth turn ins or what ? He bragged he had plenty of money a little while back(300g). That's about 11 gold for each character, he isn't buying much with that.

[Sam DeathWalker]

I'm a bad speller? Whats rong with my speeling?

Can you do cloth turn ins at 40? I thought it was just silk and wool? No I just finished leveling them up in Tanarus in the middle of the desert. There are mobs everywhere in this game if you keep on the move.


pre-whatever expansion is out in wow Once you stop playing given that new level caps are constantly being released you cannot always be the best forever ...

[jinx08]

I'm a bad speller? Whats rong with my speeling? I see what you did there! ;)

[Moorea]

No I just finished leveling them up in Tanarus in the middle of the desert. There are mobs everywhere in this game if you keep on the move.

Except your guys were still 39 when you hearthed to Shatt and then they were 40 a few minutes later in TB - so you must have had some quest turned in in TB to get from 39 to 40 - I'm curious which quest(s) ?

[Sam DeathWalker]

Grant levels from RAF. Im set up in 1-5-5 (main invited 5 group leaders and each group leader invites down the chain).

So I take the main and group with the last 2 in each group, say my groups are a,b,c,d,e and each guy in a group is a,b,c,d,e, So my main groups with ad,ae,bd,be (two groups bottom of chain), when ae and be ding then RAF to ad and bd then ad grants to ac, ac grants to ab, ab grants to aa.

The I group the main with ce and cd and de and dd and do the same then ee and ed (but I just put them in when anyone else dings so I kinda do 2 longer sets instead of 3 sets).

So actally I am leveling 10 guys and they are able to grant to the other 15 (leader is always ahead even without 3X exp). I dont know why but it hasn't failed yet, you would think that I could only grant every two levels but its no fail so far .... maybe cause they transfered accounts their debt is eleiminated or something, I don't know.

Plus I am accumulating a ton of feeds from the group leaders (5) to the main account so I expect to make 1 or 2 guys (mage? Warlocks? for transport) all leveled up before raf ends. In fact I might be able to level up 5 to like level 20 and then get them even with my guys on this raf and have my 31 ready to roll for my next raf diong the

16-8-4-2-1 ideal setup.

[Moorea]

Grant levels from RAF. Im set up in 1-5-5 (main invited 5 group leaders and each group leader invites down the chain).

So I take the main and group with the last 2 in each group, say my groups are a,b,c,d,e and each guy in a group is a,b,c,d,e, So my main groups with ad,ae,bd,be (two groups bottom of chain), when ae and be ding then RAF to ad and bd then ad grants to ac, ac grants to ab, ab grants to

if you have M--referred->a--referred->(aa,ab,...) I fail to see if you make a group (M ad ae bd be) would give you RAF bonus - could only get bonus on A* if "A" was there no - or do I misunderstand something ?
(as AD AE have no relationship with any other in the party; only have relation ship with "A" (which has relationship with M))


also if you had 1-inv->5->inv->5 you would have 5*5+5+1 = 31; but you only have 26 ... (not counting that 1 inviting 5 is useless because you can't group them... so I guess you meant 1-5-4; that gives 26 toons... but I'm puzzled how can you group them so RAF bonus works ... maybe that's why you're leveling so slow ? you're not actually getting RAF xp bonus - did you check your combat logs on all toons at least once ?)

I'd do 20 or 30 toons with 4x or 6x teams of 5 with 1->2->3->4->5 raf relationship in each team (and 5 refering the next 1 of the next team for the mounts sake)

[Sam DeathWalker]

ZZ invites AA, BA, CA, DA, EA (the 5 group leaders)

AA invites AB
AB invites AC
AC invites AD
AD invites AE

BA invites BB
BB invites BC
BC invites BD
BD invites BE

etc. for CA, DA and EA.


I group ZZ with AD and AE and BD and BE. BD/BE raf and AD/AE raf .. ZZ does not get RAF bonus (but he is 2 levels higher then everyone anyway as he is always in the exp group). ZZ is the Pal to consecrate and thus tag the mobs for the exp group (and do damage so not all damage is done with totem), everyone else drops a fire nova totem. Mobs die. AD/AE get raf exp, BD/BE get raf exp.

When AD/AE gain a level AE tryies to raf grant a level to AD (usally they are same level so this not work). Then AD grants to AC (as AC was not in exp group he is one level lower then AD), AC gains a level and grants to AB, AB then grants to AA. AA stores levels to grant to ZZ account at some future time.

So 26 kill the mob and 4 guys get the raf exp. But they are able to grant to 6 others. ...

Then do the same with CD and CE and DD and DE with ZZ. Then do the same with ED and EE (although because the other 4 groups ususaly ding seperate I just group the lowest 2 groups anyways).

So use 25 fire nova totems to kill mobs and 4 guys get the raf exp and they grant up to another 6.

Also as my computers and screens are:

a b c
d z e

I have z on the main computer alone. If I read "samdeathwkcc is attacked" I know that he is on screen C and that he is the third guy down in the group, easy to find just from his name!


But this is not the optimal set up better is: Dang lol my 1-2-4-8-16 dosnt work lol well doh... looks like the above is the best that can be done.

[EaTCarbS]

It will take years to do 60-80 :P

[Sam DeathWalker]

Once I have 25 thunderstorms to go with 25 fire nova totems mobs are gonna aoe die fasts (drop the totems first then after they fire off hit the thunderstorms). Kill like 10-20 strong mobs at one time.

No knockback (good for pve):

Glyph of Thunderstorm
Minor Glyph
Classes: Shaman
Requires Level 70
Use: Increases the mana you receive from your Thunderstorm ability by 2%, but the spell no longer knocks enemies back.

Unmodded TS at level 60

551 to 629

25 X 550 = 12,000 plus damage.

Fire nova totem at level 60:

Summons a Fire Nova Totem that has 5 health and lasts 5 sec. Unless it is destroyed within 4 sec., the totem inflicts 518 to 578 fire damage to enemies within 10 yd.

25 X 550 = another 12,000 plus damage.

So umm 24,000 HP of aoe damage over 5 seconds ....

Or I can thunderstorm the mobs with knockback, then drop totems so by the time the mobs run back to me the totems get them. No facing problems ...

[glo]

Sam was solo'd by a 50 mage in leveling greens today. We all know how amazing Sam is so that guy must have been sick nasty!

On a more serious note, give up sam, really. Go to the free to play game you were talking about, you will more then likely still be embarrassed daily but at least it won't cost you sub fees.

[Sam DeathWalker]

I killed him 3 times also ... I could have killed him a ton of times, Im interested in leveling not pvp, although if I am attacked Ill fight. Most anyone will kill me the first time (I wait to be attacked for two reasons, one I don't want to just gank someone given it is kinda unfair, and two If I kill him its just going to slow my RAF progression even if he comes back and dies a bunch of times or he might get high level help or have a high level alt). But after the first time I just attack without question.

3 guys 40 everyone else is 41! For all talk of people "camping" me, I really not seeing much of it at all. Allience is like the keystone cops of gankers lol ...

Sadly I did get the "you have not earned enough levels" message ... looks like I slow down a bit, but on the other hand I am killing mobs so fasts aoe style its taking me very little time to get a level. All this talk of it going slower as you get higher is not correct as you just do more damage and have more tools (now chain heal basically a aoe heal for me with 25 casting) available to you.

[Starbuck_Jones]

Not sure if it still works Sam. But heres a quest that looks right up your alley

http://dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=875&l=1&l=2&l=2

You seem about the right level for it.

[glo]

I killed him 3 times also ... I could have killed him a ton of times, Im interested in leveling not pvp, although if I am attacked Ill fight. Most anyone will kill me the first time (I wait to be attacked for two reasons, one I don't want to just gank someone given it is kinda unfair, and two If I kill him its just going to slow my RAF progression even if he comes back and dies a bunch of times or he might get high level help or have a high level alt). But after the first time I just attack without question.

3 guys 40 everyone else is 41! For all talk of people "camping" me, I really not seeing much of it at all. Allience is like the keystone cops of gankers lol ...

Sadly I did get the "you have not earned enough levels" message ... looks like I slow down a bit, but on the other hand I am killing mobs so fasts aoe style its taking me very little time to get a level. All this talk of it going slower as you get higher is not correct as you just do more damage and have more tools (now chain heal basically a aoe heal for me with 25 casting) available to you.He was camping you solo when I got there. You spirit rezzed and hearthed your main right after I logged in.

Getting someone to log out every time you log in is at least equal to camping, if that is not one of your ways of keeping score it should be added to the book. =P

[Sam DeathWalker]

He wasnt even remotly camping me.

And then Loja try and camp me at the spirt guy and failed, everyone got out to TB where I spend a few hours on TS.

[Moorea]

He wasnt even remotly camping me.

And then Loja try and camp me at the spirt guy and failed, everyone got out to TB where I spend a few hours on TS.

If by failed you mean that it took you maybe 1/2h to get your last 5 guys in shatt - yes I guess I failed.

Also I think I need to get another DK because I can't quite solo camp you both where you die and at the cem... but I think making you hearth out from your levelling zone is pretty good; considering you were back in tanaris today:

Sun Mar 01 08:34 26 online. 3 x lvl 40, 10 x lvl 41, 12 x lvl 42, 1 x lvl 43, 26 in Thunder Bluff
Sun Mar 01 08:40 26 online. 3 x lvl 40, 10 x lvl 41, 12 x lvl 42, 1 x lvl 43, 26 in Tanaris
Sun Mar 01 10:06 26 online. 1 x lvl 40, 12 x lvl 41, 8 x lvl 42, 4 x lvl 43, 1 x lvl 44, 26 in Tanaris
Sun Mar 01 10:38 0 online.

I think I've bet your lowest will be 45 at best at end of your 2nd RAF - when is it exactly - to know how correct I am ?

[glo]

He wasnt even remotly camping me.

And then Loja try and camp me at the spirt guy and failed, everyone got out to TB where I spend a few hours on TS.I don't know how you define camping but he killed you and was having a picnic on the bodies. That's pretty much the definition of camping in my book.

We aren't talking about someone with a group of higher level characters with an OP class, we are talking about a single level 50 mage wearing leveling garbage. This guy has been playing the character 5 days and he can wreck your 26 box crew you have been working on for half a year. If you were to learn even the tiniest bit of humility I'm certain you would spend less time eating dirt/spirit rezzing/in town and more time actually playing the game.

As for Loja he camps you regularly, I've seen it quite a few times myself. The only thing he did "wrong" was try to make it a challenge by only using one character, I tried to get him to level at least one more dk so he could gy camp you by himself but he wants to give you a chance or some such. I'll make another prediction here, you will continue bragging about being able to spirit rez to escape him until he creates another character ;)

[Sam DeathWalker]

To be effective you have to stop me from leveling. As you can see thats not happening. 45 is fine for the 2nd round. (plus Ill have 2 or3 more other guys at 45 also). Ill make it to 60 on the 3rd round.

I note that my only real competition is still level 70 for how long now a month or two?

Whats up with that? He has not gotten one level on one guy.

Why dont' you attack me with a single level 55 DK if you think a level 50 can camp me lol ....

[glo]

To be effective you have to stop me from leveling. As you can see thats not happening. 45 is fine for the 2nd round. (plus Ill have 2 or3 more other guys at 45 also). Ill make it to 60 on the 3rd round.
You are happy taking 9 months to get to 60 with RAF. If you had ever played the game before you would realize how ridiculous that really is.
I note that my only real competition is still level 70 for how long now a month or two? Evidently anyone with a 50 in leveling greens is competition for ya.
Why dont' you attack me with a single level 55 DK if you think a level 50 can camp me lol .... DKs don't leave the start area until 58.

I thought it was supposed to be everything I have against everything you have and that decides the winner. Seem to recall you stating that about 6 billion times in those train wrecks that pass for forum threads you are so proud to cross post all over the internet. Honestly though I'm not into the whole epeen thing, I'd rather just treat you like a speed bump with no chance of losing ;)

[Moorea]

To be effective you have to stop me from leveling. As you can see thats not happening. 45 is fine for the 2nd round. (plus Ill have 2 or3 more other guys at 45 also). Ill make it to 60 on the 3rd round.

I note that my only real competition is still level 70 for how long now a month or two?

Whats up with that? He has not gotten one level on one guy.

Why dont' you attack me with a single level 55 DK if you think a level 50 can camp me lol ....

LOL - 2x RAF periods already and hoping to reach level 45 (and using grantable levels) is what you consider a good accomplishment !!! Not long ago you were "rushing to 60"...

Any player is your competition given than any solo guy can utterly destroy you - stop trying to involve Prepared - prepared doesn't brag before he accomplishes something - getting 32 characters to l70 is a major accomplishment that you'll reach hmmm after 2 years maybe (if ever) ?

"Level 55 DK" shows once more your total lack of even basic knowledge of the game - if you don't play maybe you should consider reading on the basics ? start at wowwiki.com or read the books that came with the battle chests you bought...

[Sam DeathWalker]

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wrath/features/deathknight/gameplay.xml

http://www.wowwiki.com/Starting_a_death_knight



Any player is your competition given than any solo guy can utterly destroy you

Then attack me with a level 55 DK, whats the hold up?

OH this is the hold up:

http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=43265


Requires level 60




LOL - 2x RAF periods already and hoping to reach level 45 (and using grantable levels) is what you consider a good accomplishment !!!

I think I did a lot better the 2nd RAF then I did the first.

Here is 3 guys I think beating Prepared, I cant really tell:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drB_olLSIBg&feature=channel_page


The only way to really win is to get guys to max level and solid gear. Otherwise a few aoes can take you out. Still I doubt any single wow character can take prepared at this point, is that true?

[Til Eulenspiegel]

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wrath/features/deathknight/gameplay.xml

http://www.wowwiki.com/Starting_a_death_knightThe thing that you are missing is that, while a Death Knight technically starts at level 55 at character creation, they enter the world in a special "Starting Area" that is different than any other starting area in the game. This is a special instance that only new DK's have access to, and they cannot leave this place until the story arc is complete. This is also where the DK earns their starting gear as well as their talent points and mount. This takes about two hours if it's your first time, and at the end of the entire event, the DK is level 58.

So, again, you will not find a "level 55 DK" in the world, because the class does not work that way.

[glo]

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wrath/features/deathknight/gameplay.xml

http://www.wowwiki.com/Starting_a_death_knightThe thing that you are missing is that, while a Death Knight technically starts at level 55 at character creation, they enter the world in a special "Starting Area" that is different than any other starting area in the game. This is a special instance that only new DK's have access to, and they cannot leave this place until the story arc is complete. This is also where the DK earns their starting gear as well as their talent points and mount. This takes about two hours if it's your first time, and at the end of the entire event, the DK is level 58.

So, again, you will not find a "level 55 DK" in the world, because the class does not work that way.Welcome new guy! Just a heads up in case you have never experienced the ignorance that is Samuel D. Walker, while your explanation is perfect it is pretty much wasted on him. We've tried to explain this along with many other things in the past and his reading comprehension leaves much to be desired.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Oh well sorry for not looking into more depth and just relying on statements made by Blizzard and WoWwiki. I don't play a DK so why really would I spend much time on them vs. reading about classes I do play.

Ok then attack me with a level 58 DK, if you think one character can beat me.

[glo]

Oh well sorry for not looking into more depth and just relying on statements made by Blizzard and WoWwiki. I don't play a DK so why really would I spend much time on them vs. reading about classes I do play.

Ok then attack me with a level 58 DK, if you think one character can beat me.I can't create anymore dks on that realm. I'm sure someone will come along to demonstrate your ignorance soon enough.

[Svpernova09]

If you don't like what someone is posting, ignore them. Click on their name, on the right side of their profile is an ignore option. Use it.

or ... you could do something about stuff like this ->


I have stated that you are stupid, yes. Arrogant, retarded, moronic, not very bright, slow, ignorant, a bad speller, a know nothing attention whore, a diaper wearing, std of the month card carrying, in great need of a haircut, blowhard.Why do you think this thread is still open? I've come in here at least five times with the intent of shutting this thread down, and I catch up on all the replies, and I always leave it open. Why? Because if this thread gets closed, there will be 15 more JUST like it, opened in it's place. So it is much easier and less headache to let the asshattery continue here than have to deal with the fallout and clean up the mess of a bunch of other threads doing the same thing.

This thread sees very little moderation because we've closed Sam threads before and every time we do 3-4 pop up in its place. I don't like it, but at the same time this is the best option I see available so I repeat:

If you don't like what someone is posting, ignore them. Click on their name, on the right side of their profile is an ignore option. Use it.

[glo]

If you don't like what someone is posting, ignore them. Click on their name, on the right side of their profile is an ignore option. Use it.

or ... you could do something about stuff like this ->


I have stated that you are stupid, yes. Arrogant, retarded, moronic, not very bright, slow, ignorant, a bad speller, a know nothing attention whore, a diaper wearing, std of the month card carrying, in great need of a haircut, blowhard.Why do you think this thread is still open? I've come in here at least five times with the intent of shutting this thread down, and I catch up on all the replies, and I always leave it open. Why? Because if this thread gets closed, there will be 15 more JUST like it, opened in it's place. So it is much easier and less headache to let the asshattery continue here than have to deal with the fallout and clean up the mess of a bunch of other threads doing the same thing.

This thread sees very little moderation because we've closed Sam threads before and every time we do 3-4 pop up in its place. I don't like it, but at the same time this is the best option I see available so I repeat:

If you don't like what someone is posting, ignore them. Click on their name, on the right side of their profile is an ignore option. Use it.This post will be famous some day. You are posting in a thread that Sam will post all over the internet as proof that he "won" wow for years to come.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well leveling up well I think my lowest is 42 now. Got the level 4 fire nova totem so I can put 5 guys on chain heal and still kill mobs by the ton. Im at the rigger rife or something in the gagetran zone, tons of pirarts to kill, Im getting so much exp its hard to belive. Only people coming in for pvp and other Hoards killing the mobs is slowing me down a bit but hey its a pvp server. I can kill groups of six as fast as I can move bascially. I can do 10 if I get 10 in one spot. This place is a gold mine of exp. Some 80 horde was there today who i gave some mageweave to (I guess thats what he was farming). He killed off Lojo and some other alliance but then some even stronger alliance level 80 came in and the place was a war zone so I logged.

Basically any mini city with lots of mobs in an area is all I need at this point. Casters, no casters dosnt make a difference. I mean if you are on the move constantly which I am most anywhere is good.

Also I have a plan lol:

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23836

If I get 20 of my guys to 350 in enginerring I can single target anyone at 45 yards .... and it follows them as they move lol. It even targets people on flyers. I know its a long long long road for 20 enginerrs but not impossible, I think my enginerr is 190 or so now anyway. Maybe a year or two but then Ill be super at range and in close (thunderstorm and war stomp and fire nova totem).

Reworte my macros so taht I use lightning bolt in pvp as I have the 6 yard plus talents on all my guys and I can make the 4percent plus glyph. Maybe hitting people at 36 yards might be smarter then letting them close to 30 heh.

Are there 40 range regular combat spells for any class?

And whats the most out of the way unused zone for level 45 (like desolance was), wehre no one goes?

[RobinGBrown]

>If I get 20 of my guys to 350 in enginerring
You'll never earn enough gold - you have no concept of how much effort it takes to level tradeskills - resource gathering is not improved by multiboxing - however you can buy the resources you need for tradeskills once you've accumulated enough gold at level 70+

But 20 engineers is a lot of gold - and you wouldn't want to get all your accounts banned for buying gold would you!

>Are there 40 range regular combat spells for any class?
If you had RTFM you'd know the answer to this - I'm not at all surprised that you have the nerve to ask after all your previous 'I did it my way' ego

>And whats the most out of the way unused zone for level 45 (like desolance was), wehre no one goes?
All of them under 60 are basically vacant (apart from lvl 58 death knights)

[Til Eulenspiegel]

You'll never earn enough gold - you have no concept of how much effort it takes to level tradeskills - resource gathering is not improved by multiboxing - however you can buy the resources you need for tradeskills once you've accumulated enough gold at level 70+To expand, at this point in the game, the lower level (sub 300) materials generally cost a ton on the Auction House, if they are even available at all. Scores of people re-rolled Jewelcrafting (especially tanks) at level 80, which means that there is not enough supply to go around. Not sure how Engineering is these days, but someone leveling Jewelcrafting without any outside help can spend up to 3000g buying mats from the Auction House (that's to get from 1-300). Gathering enough mats yourself is a serious pain, as many of the recipes require a few stacks of specific low level materials (which will take many many hours to farm, random loot being random and all). This is also why most people use their level 80 character to either farm the gold or farm the mats ahead of time. At that level, you have access to much more gold. This also is what helps drive up the prices of low level materials.

When you exhaust your gold and material supply before you even hit the point where you need 200 bars of Thorium per character (plus all the supplimentary mats, which aren't cheap anymore), that's when you start to cry.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Are there 40 range regular combat spells for any class?
If you had RTFM you'd know the answer to this - I'm not at all surprised that you have the nerve to ask after all your previous 'I did it my way' ego

I looked around, seems you have to read each spell to find the range. I use good suggestions that are consistent with my play style (i.e. killing mobs). Also like I said I have 50 quests achivments on two of my guys (meaning the rest are like 45 or so) so I do quests.

I made over 16 million plat (and spent like 10 million) in EQ. Right now I have 6 million plat on one guy in EQ (froze my accounts though).

I doubt that I will have any trouble with gold at all. Im not saying its going to be over night or anything like I say this is 1-2 years down the road, I can understand that its a lOOOONG road. I read soemthing about "molts" that engineerrs can get from some cloud or something and that with 20 guys I can get 20 from one clouds or something.

i have like 400-500 gold right now in WoW and I started with begging 1 gold for spells.

Eng relies on a lot of the same materials as blacksmithing. So mining is the key. And ya its impossible to mine all the stuff you need for 20 guys. But the point is that given I will have all the main professions at 400 plus at some point and guys at 60-70, Ill be able to get items, sell them and use that monies to buy what I need.

Still being able to single shot someone at 45 yards is such a powerfull ability that it does seem worth it.

[blast3r]

Are there 40 range regular combat spells for any class?
If you had RTFM you'd know the answer to this - I'm not at all surprised that you have the nerve to ask after all your previous 'I did it my way' ego

I looked around, seems you have to read each spell to find the range. I use good suggestions that are consistent with my play style (i.e. killing mobs). Also like I said I have 50 quests achivments on two of my guys (meaning the rest are like 45 or so) so I do quests.

I made over 16 million plat (and spent like 10 million) in EQ. Right now I have 6 million plat on one guy in EQ (froze my accounts though).

I doubt that I will have any trouble with gold at all. Im not saying its going to be over night or anything like I say this is 1-2 years down the road, I can understand that its a lOOOONG road. I read soemthing about "molts" that engineerrs can get from some cloud or something and that with 20 guys I can get 20 from one clouds or something.

i have like 400-500 gold right now in WoW and I started with begging 1 gold for spells.

Eng relies on a lot of the same materials as blacksmithing. So mining is the key. And ya its impossible to mine all the stuff you need for 20 guys. But the point is that given I will have all the main professions at 400 plus at some point and guys at 60-70, Ill be able to get items, sell them and use that monies to buy what I need.

Still being able to single shot someone at 45 yards is such a powerfull ability that it does seem worth it.

In some ways too bad you couldn't level on a pve server and then transfer them later to pvp. I can see placing each toon on a mine and just sit there all day waiting for it to spawn and then tap it. I imagine you could level mining quicker and get a ton of blackmisthing and jewel crafting mats that way.

[Til Eulenspiegel]

I can understand that its a lOOOONG road. I read soemthing about "molts" that engineerrs can get from some cloud or something and that with 20 guys I can get 20 from one clouds or something.Not quite. You're talking about 'motes' that are harvested from clouds. More specifically, engineers can harvest either Motes of Air or Motes of Shadow. These are only found in a couple of zones in Outland, and they do not work quite the way you are hoping. When the mote is harvested, the cloud disappears. 20 people will not be harvesting from one cloud, just like 20 people cannot mine the same node or gather the same herb.

Also, motes may not be as valuable as you think, since nowadays nobody really cares much about the Outland stuff (at least not nearly as much as when Outland was current).

It's also quite an expensive endeavor, from a time investment, to level engineering just to have a few planted explosives. Fun, sure, but you're better off just leveling first. And, on top of that, if you're planning for 1-2 years down the road, things are going to have changed drastically by that time anyway. In fact, two years down the road, there will likely be yet another expansion to change the landscape entirely.

[elsegundo]

I can understand that its a lOOOONG road. I read soemthing about "molts" that engineerrs can get from some cloud or something and that with 20 guys I can get 20 from one clouds or something.Not quite. You're talking about 'motes' that are harvested from clouds. More specifically, engineers can harvest either Motes of Air or Motes of Shadow. These are only found in a couple of zones in Outland, and they do not work quite the way you are hoping. When the mote is harvested, the cloud disappears. 20 people will not be harvesting from one cloud, just like 20 people cannot mine the same node or gather the same herb.

Also, motes may not be as valuable as you think, since nowadays nobody really cares much about the Outland stuff (at least not nearly as much as when Outland was current).

It's also quite an expensive endeavor, from a time investment, to level engineering just to have a few planted explosives. Fun, sure, but you're better off just leveling first. And, on top of that, if you're planning for 1-2 years down the road, things are going to have changed drastically by that time anyway. In fact, two years down the road, there will likely be yet another expansion to change the landscape entirely.farming motes wont make you that much money anymore. farm the clouds in northrend. those will give you more. though............ you need to be higher leveled for it. and at this point, i think we'll all be a year older by the time he gets there.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Ya another expansion will surely change things but as we have all noticed they just upgrade the old things. People get 5 more levels but they add new items, similar to the old, that are stronger and do more damage. I would guess that at 550 or whatever eng expands to there will be something like the rocket lancher that does more damage to compensate for more HP on higher level players. All TS will have something nice at the end else none will use them.

Well ya I plan to level first. I doubt I will even start eng on my 20 untill level 70 or so. Im working up all the main professions on my guys now though because Im gathering the materials that they need. Like that level 80 I saw killing mobs for mageweave. I mean whats up with that when yur level 80. Well I gues you can turn it in for exp, didnt think about that. Ill have to stockpile some for my alts I guess.

As my time is ending in like 10 days I need to plan for my lowbies, Ill have a LOT of grants left. Looking for a class that has some group/raid transportation abilities (mage or warlock I guess), and that can single strike at range (40 plus yards off an assist not ground target), my main weak point I think. Dont need healing or dps, and cant really use mellee characters. So I guess hunters or casters is my only choice. I think Ill make 5 or 10 (maybe 13), maybe I should try like 2-3 of each or something, not sure.

[glo]

Also I have a plan lol:

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23836

If I get 20 of my guys to 350 in enginerring I can single target anyone at 45 yards .... and it follows them as they move lol. It even targets people on flyers. I know its a long long long road for 20 enginerrs but not impossible, I think my enginerr is 190 or so now anyway. Maybe a year or two but then Ill be super at range and in close (thunderstorm and war stomp and fire nova totem).

Anybody else picturing Wile E. Coyote while reading this post? Sam is like the coyote trying to get Loja so he comes up with this brilliant plan but everyone knows any second 26 anvils are going to fall out of the sky onto 26 heads!

http://foreignerinformosa.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/wile_e_coyote.jpg

To put this plan in perspective for you, it will take roughly 48,000 gold to give you the ability to insta-gib a solo player once every 2 minutes with a 26 box team. I guess if that is what you need to actually win a pvp encounter you should go for it ;)

[Svpernova09]

Anybody else picturing Wile E. Coyote while reading this post? Sam is like the coyote trying to get Loja so he comes up with this brilliant plan but everyone knows any second 26 anvils are going to fall out of the sky onto 26 heads!

More like


http://www.halosrealm.com/images/loleng.gif

[elsegundo]

lol

[Svpernova09]

SO BAN THE RETARDYou of all people should be the one ignoring him since you have such an obvious problem with him.

[Sam DeathWalker]

I killed Loja today, but his death pack thing killed me lol ... or whatever it is that lets the DK fight after he dies. 5 more levels and its over for level 60ish DK's against me.

Whats 48,000 gold? Gold selling at $17/1000 to show you its value, so what $1000 to win at pvp all the time every two minutes ... I have 0ver $10,000 invested in this game with computers acocunts and all that. Ill make the gold, not buy it, but just to show relitive value. PvP is won by the stronger player prior to the pvp. At level 38 I cant beat a single level 62 DK no matter what I do, at level 48 it will be hard to lose.

[Stealthy]

I can understand that its a lOOOONG road. I read soemthing about "molts" that engineerrs can get from some cloud or something and that with 20 guys I can get 20 from one clouds or something.Not quite. You're talking about 'motes' that are harvested from clouds. More specifically, engineers can harvest either Motes of Air or Motes of Shadow. These are only found in a couple of zones in Outland, and they do not work quite the way you are hoping. When the mote is harvested, the cloud disappears. 20 people will not be harvesting from one cloud, just like 20 people cannot mine the same node or gather the same herb.

Also, motes may not be as valuable as you think, since nowadays nobody really cares much about the Outland stuff (at least not nearly as much as when Outland was current).

It's also quite an expensive endeavor, from a time investment, to level engineering just to have a few planted explosives. Fun, sure, but you're better off just leveling first. And, on top of that, if you're planning for 1-2 years down the road, things are going to have changed drastically by that time anyway. In fact, two years down the road, there will likely be yet another expansion to change the landscape entirely.

Actually multiple toons CAN harvest the same cloud - I do this regularly as I have two teams of 5 with maxed out Engy. 10 Eternal Fire's in 10 minutes = win!

It is very expensive to level though...and it's not exactly a money making profession. But on a large scale....hmmmm.

Cheers,

S.

[glo]

I killed Loja today, but his death pack thing killed me lol ... or whatever it is that lets the DK fight after he dies. 5 more levels and its over for level 60ish DK's against me.
Congrats, now I wish I had 26 accounts so I could occasionally kill a level 62 in starter gear ;)
Gold Buying Talk Removed by Svpernova09
Can you please refrain from talking about subjects which violate the TOS, you are already an enough of an embarrassment to the hobby. You have really spent 10k on this game and haven't even leveled a character or seen a bit of end game content? *SNIP* - Glo cut the personal insults please - Stealthymod.


At level 38 I cant beat a single level 62 DK no matter what I do, at level 48 it will be hard to lose. I'm sure you will find a way.

[glo]

Here is another one for you to read since you have shown such concern about what prepared has been up to.

"Prepared" your on my server. ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=183002#post183002')

[Sam DeathWalker]

Can you please refrain from talking about subjects which violate the TOS

My statement is clear that I don't buy gold, just giving what the relitive value of 48,000 gold is. Its just not that much.

Killed Loja yet again. Then you came along with yur 5 guys and slaughtered me. Enjoy while you can as someday 5 Dks' will be nothing to me.



embarrassment to the hobby. You have really spent 10k on this game and haven't even leveled a character or seen a bit of end game content

Yet somehow I managed to be the best at EQ1 which is the vastly harder game (way longer to level up)..... Although I do have to hit max level, I dont have to "see end game content" if I can kill guys in end game gear.

Well Prepared is working on his 10 level 80's ... ummm now he's a 10 boxer? Well its going to be nice to see how many he does control at one time well in pvp. You really need a top computers to move fluidly in pvp. As you may have noticed I am able to run out of these aoe's now without my computers frezzing up. And he is talking about trade skills ... which I have been working up from the start. Well he is moving forward though, obviously; but then again so am I finally.

[glo]

Can you please refrain from talking about subjects which violate the TOS

My statement is clear that I don't buy gold, just giving what the relitive value of 48,000 gold is. Its just not that much.

Killed Loja yet again. Then you came along with yur 5 guys and slaughtered me. Enjoy while you can as someday 5 Dks' will be nothing to me.By that time I will have a cane to beat you with ;)

Yet somehow I managed to be the best at EQ1 which is the vastly harder game (way longer to level up)..... Although I do have to hit max level, I dont have to "see end game content" if I can kill guys in end game gear. Is there some official EQ rating site I can see this #1 ranking at? All I have ever seen is full on retarded posts that you have made claiming to be the best. Did you get some kind of world first kill or something that gives you this belief of your own greatness? Other then threads similar to this one where people group to point and laugh at you can you show anything that has anything to do with you doing anything at all in the game you continuously say you are the best at?

[glo]

Well Prepared is working on his 10 level 80's ... ummm now he's a 10 boxer?
Prepared is a guy playing a game just like the rest of us. You are the only one that seems to think this is some kind of e-peen waving contest.


Well its going to be nice to see how many he does control at one time well in pvp. You really need a top computers to move fluidly in pvp. As you may have noticed I am able to run out of these aoe's now without my computers frezzing up. I've never seen you do anything but die. You keep pretending we have had fights. You stand there like an idiot, I drop 5 death and decay on you, then I wait for you to rez.


And he is talking about trade skills ... which I have been working up from the start. Well he is moving forward though, obviously; but then again so am I finally. He is at the level cap, that's pretty much when you start talking about professions ;)

[glo]

To the mod that edited me above. It is not a personal insult, Sam is quite proud of his "349" prostitutes. Which I'm sure that number has had to have went up since he first started bragging about it on the internet.

I ask respectfully that my post be reinstated :)

The context in which you used it suggested otherwise. I've also deleted a handful other posts for the same reason. Critique Sam all you like - just stay away from personal insults. - Stealthymod.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Is there some official EQ rating site I can see this #1 ranking at?

http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/posts/list.m?topic_id=133048

And yet you don't name anyone else who is better and why they are better even after a month or so .....

Ya you have killed me consistantly, I doubt I can move fast enough out of FIVE dandd .... Im like 4 millionth best at WoW right now, and moving up. Level 40 was a real boost.


He is at the level cap, that's pretty much when you start talking about professions ;)

Thats resonable enough, but I am sure millions would agrue its better to do them as you level.

[Moorea]

Is there some official EQ rating site I can see this #1 ranking at?

http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/posts/list.m?topic_id=133048

I don't see in that thread massive acknowledgment of anything but your bad taste and that yes you can win the prize for spending money...



And yet you don't name anyone else who is better and why they are better even after a month or so .....

already named : 99% of wow players are better than you (because again;nobody else took 6 months of heavy play time to reach level 40 - what is your /played btw ?)


Im like 4 millionth best at WoW right now, and moving up. Level 40 was a real boost.
See above - finally reaching 40s is a milestone but that doesn't make you 4th million best...

[RobinGBrown]

Enjoy while you can as someday 5 Dks' will be nothing to me.


With Sam's age and at the rate he's levelling he'll be dead before this comes true...

Here's something Sam, you say you're 56, but notice that most of the guys you're competing against are anywhere from 15 to 30+ years younger than you and started playing Wow before you did.

Unless they give up there's no way you can beat them - they started before you and will finish after you - you cannot be 'the best', all you can do is spend countless amounts of money to gain a self-absorbed feeling of shallow victory.

I feel rather sorry for you actually.

[glo]

Watching you get repeatedly owned by a fresh level 60 I got to see what you were talking about with the fluidity. Your machines are great but you are really horrible at doing anything with them. After watching you play I have to say "give up". I feel sorry for you as well.

[Rin]

Watching you get repeatedly owned by a fresh level 60 I got to see what you were talking about with the fluidity. Your machines are great but you are really horrible at doing anything with them. After watching you play I have to say "give up". I feel sorry for you as well.

Haha.

The main issue with Sam's setup is that he's simply one guy trying to play 25 characters at once. Whether Sam realizes it or not, the issue that he is going to continue to see is the lack of effective movement control among his characters. Arguably, movement control (or lack thereof) is the number one thing that causes boxers to fail aganist single players. Sam is taking a multi-boxer issue that exists in all playstyles (PvE and PvP) and then is multiplying it by 5 with his line of 25 characters. One or two characters will always be able to demolish half or all of his line, simply because he's not going to be able to react on Shaman 16 while Shaman 25 is being hit and Paladin 1 is feared. The only way Sam will "win" at this is if he gets the jump on a single character. I figure that even freshly at 80, in quest gear, Sam should be able to produce about 36,000 damage per one round of 24 lightning bolts. 36k damage is awesome for 25-vs-1, but the reality of the situation is that if you simply run through him while he's trying to LB, then he will need to reposition per each cast. In the meantime, you'll be chopping through his characters effortesly.

It's a catch-22, Sam will be able to claim that he (as a single player) can produce the most damage in the game (only because he has the most WoW accounts), but he'll be a sitting duck for everything else besides old world content. Let's not even talk about how he's planning on gearing up his characters (we know that Heroics can only be done every 24 hours, and I'd imagine that it would be a real PITA trying to do different Heroics w/ different Shaman once they're fresh at 80. This may be a long term goal for Mr. Deathwalker though, we'll have to wait and see.)

Edit: Additional thoughts - I believe that if Sam were to actually play the game up to 80, he would have a much better understanding of what 5 (or 25) characters can and cannot accomplish. Also (yes, I know its a moot point now), but surely Sam would be able to level faster had he embarked on the whole leveling adventure with one set of characters at a time. I can appreciate what Sam is doing though, simply because no one else is doing it. I just don't think that the reward at the end is going to be something that will receive any kind of medal. You can only claim that you're the best at something if there's an actual metric for which to measure "best". The only measurement of "best" in this game would be through the achievement system; when you have attained all achievements, then you can say that you're among the "best". Other than that, trying to measure "the best" by having the most characters is silly, surely you can see this. You have the most, yes, this is true. No one will argue with you on that, but the best talk should be saved until you reach the level cap and accomplish some of the aforementioned achievements with your team.

Cheers.

[Bigfish]

I figure that even freshly at 80, in quest gear, Sam should be able to produce about 36,000 damage per one round of 24 lightning bolts. 36k damage is awesome for 25-vs-1, but the reality of the situation is that if you simply run through him while he's trying to LB, then he will need to reposition per each cast. In the meantime, you'll be chopping through his characters effortesly.

Assuming he doesn't figure out how to position his characters to cover each other.

[Sam DeathWalker]

I should be making fraps of the encounters, I slaughtered Ganktu (a low level DK from Nerzhul as he was trying to level) or somthing and Loja again this morning. He comes at me I hit him with frost shock while I am moving, he slows down I follow with lightnight bolt. They both dies multiple times.

Glo why dont you come and make some SS of me and loja, there is no way he can beat me now.

Im going to start 7 fire mages tonight and maybe expand to 6-7 groups, each with a mage leader. Thanks for all the help that pyroblast is 35 yards ...

I already know how to self cover. Bind a key to "move forward" on 1/2 the guys. Run stright with all, hit the key to break auto follow, 1/2 stop. Continue with the other 1/2 then back up the leader stright back until the followers turn around. Bingo 1/2 will hit you no matter where you stand. I don't use it though cause I dont need it yet.

Its obviouly whos the best; right now I am better then Loja cause I can kill him at will, and glo's 5 dks' is better then me cause he can kill me at will. In direct pvp its clear who is better, who can kill the strongest mob.

Maybe I am not articulating things clear enough.

I won EQ1 (NOT WOW) as this thread is over a month old and NO ONE has suggested ANY EQ1 player was better then me pre-SoD. If you can name someone in EQ1 who beat me or was overall stonger (my 26 guys vs. whatever they have), then give their characters names and why they were better, in EQ1.

In WoW I am like 4 millionth right now.

I am sure that Glo figures he is better then I am, if that is the case then tell me why and when I beat you usuing that criteria then we can all agree that I am better at that point.

The simplest determination is who can kill the strongest mob. Going out and getting achiviments for exploring the world dosnt take much skillz.

[Ifalna]

Are.......are you guys still getting trolled?

[glo]

I should be making fraps of the encounters, I slaughtered Ganktu (a low level DK from Nerzhul as he was trying to level) or somthing and Loja again this morning. He comes at me I hit him with frost shock while I am moving, he slows down I follow with lightnight bolt. They both dies multiple times.

Glo why dont you come and make some SS of me and loja, there is no way he can beat me now.

Im going to start 7 fire mages tonight and maybe expand to 6-7 groups, each with a mage leader. Thanks for all the help that pyroblast is 35 yards ...

I already know how to self cover. Bind a key to "move forward" on 1/2 the guys. Run stright with all, hit the key to break auto follow, 1/2 stop. Continue with the other 1/2 then back up the leader stright back until the followers turn around. Bingo 1/2 will hit you no matter where you stand. I don't use it though cause I dont need it yet.You have a bad memory don't you? Ganktu is the guy that was soloing you last night. There is something really funny going on here but I'll let you figure it out on your own, don't want to ruin the surprise it shouldn't take you long ;))

[Spin]

I figure that even freshly at 80, in quest gear, Sam should be able to produce about 36,000 damage per one round of 24 lightning bolts. 36k damage is awesome for 25-vs-1, but the reality of the situation is that if you simply run through him while he's trying to LB, then he will need to reposition per each cast. In the meantime, you'll be chopping through his characters effortesly.

Also keep in mind that he's playing Shaman. If he has half of them drop a magma totem and the other half drop staggered fire nova (with stuns), he wouldn't really have to worry about someone attempting to run through his main. An Earthbind to keep a melee slowed, a hex or 2 for CC, there are a lot of things that 25 shaman can do. Let's also remember that at 70 he'll get some fire elementals to play with as well. (Is that 70 or 68? been awhile for me.) Plus staggering the drop of tremor totems, grounding totems, etc, etc.

Hmmm, plus the crafted blue pvp gear for leather working aint bad--plus, unlike the engineering, he'd only need one. Granted farming the mats would be a pain in the ass, but considering that he'd only need one leatherworker while his veritable herd of tauren mows down mobs as he moves through an area... leatherworking would be a nice way to break free from the reliance on gear from instances. Plus the legkits are nice.

Hell, a leatherworker and a tailor to feed an enchanter... that would work well. Out of 26 toons, you really only need to have 1 BS (armor for the pally), 1 Leatherworker (make mail for all the shammies), 1 Enchanter (to enchant all the gear), 1 tailor (might as use all that cloth you gather to make greens to feed the enchanter) maybe one Jewelcrafter... beyond that, the rest could be engineers. If you get a power leveling guide, leveling engineering isn't hard until you reach about 250. 250-300 is a pain in the ass, but 300-420 is a breeze in compairision. I shudder at the sheer amount of mats that it takes to level even 5 engineers (plus a BS and a JC) but it is doable.

IMO, Sam, you need to add both a warlock and a mage to your group for rapid transit. If you form your group into a raid, then one mage portal can cart you back to any city without the hearthstone. The way warlock summoning works now is also nice.

If you are going to level in instances, than I'd reccommend hitting RFD after SM. RFD has the advantage (like SM) of being in horde territory so you can run your shaman army through it over and over again without fear of getting ganked (unless you flag). It's about the same level as Sm Cath (if I remember correctly) but it's longer. The end boss drops some nice plate that might be a boon for your pally, there are a couple of nice caster drops--like rings and neckpieces as well. After RFD, there is Ulda, ZF and then BRD. Once you hit 55ish (I think) you can start doing the old school 10 man raids--LBRS and maybe UBRS.

Hell, I *think* that you can get into Dire Maul at 45ish(its a level 60 instance though). I forget where it's 5 or 10 man, but there are a lot of AoE packs in there.

Once you hit 60, you can start hitting up MC, BWL, AQ40 will be nice b/c you will be able to gear your shaman a bit better, have all the toons in the zone and, of course, get the achievements.

IMO, questing with 26 toons is probably not the best way to go unless you are doing kill quests. You might be better served breaking them in half and leveling in smaller numbers to get to Outland faster. If nothing else, you might be better served leveling 5 toons to 60ish and then rotating your lower level guys through soem of the 10 mans. I don't know how effective that is--so take that with a grain of salt.

Anyway, I can understand the drive to be the best, but I don't understand that metric that is being used to determine 'the best' in this thread. The biggest problem with MMO's is that they really don't have a condition where there is a 'win'. You can't really reach a threshhold and look back and say 'Yes, I have won.' The closest that I can think of in wow *might* be the old pvp system where you could get the title of High Warlord. I think that someone that had at least 5 High Warlord titles could be considered elite. At this point in the game, I would therefore suggest that in order to be the best, you would have to maybe have both the PVE/Dungeon achievements AND the PVP BG Achievments. A lot of those PvP achievements would be difficult for any multiboxer due to the nature of the achievments and how they need to be aquired. That would at least entitle you lay a claim that you've completed content that both Solo players could do and other boxers. There is also a ranking world wide for people that have completed a lot of achievements.

Other than that, good luck to all participating in the thread.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Ganktu got slaughtered by me this morning. I'm be online tonight Im taking SS this time to put and end to any claim that a single level 60 DK can kill me.

Also I have a SS of me getting 60K exp per hour by titan bars (on 4 guys with raf)... that place is a gold mine of exp lol. No time to post it now though.

I have all the major Trade skills around 200 right now, 1 of each.

[Bigfish]

You killing a level 60 Death Knight doesn't mean a level 60 Death Knight can't kill you.

[Sam DeathWalker]

No but if I kill him 51% of the time then Im better then he is.

Also thats not clear at all if he trys 10 times in a row to kill me then I would assume that he can't. Surely a level 40 mage or whatever can;t kill all of me lol.

[glo]

Ganktu got slaughtered by me this morning. I'm be online tonight Im taking SS this time to put and end to any claim that a single level 60 DK can kill me.

Also I have a SS of me getting 60K exp per hour by titan bars (on 4 guys with raf)... that place is a gold mine of exp lol. No time to post it now though.

I have all the major Trade skills around 200 right now, 1 of each.I watched him kill you quite a few times last night and I do have screen shots.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Ok well he sure did nothing this morning, and I seem to recall you helping him a lot (as well as others) last night. Its hard to tell who is killing me actually. Im going to turn on combat logs also and parse them.

You log your other 4 and take some SS tonight and we see what happens, or you just attack me with one of your guys only yourself.

[elsegundo]

Finally... sam is able to somewhat trash talk.

[EaTCarbS]

This thread is a waste of valuable space.

[Yamio]

And you first noticed this when...?

[Moorea]

Glo why dont you come and make some SS of me and loja, there is no way he can beat me now.


Ahem, we must have different screenshots... yes you killed me once or twice .. in between your own deaths x26... why did you logged and hearthed to shatt if you were so dominating me ?

Yes it gets harder to kill you as you're finally at a level where a 5 man should kill me ez - yet it takes you 26 to *sometimes* kill me ...

[Moorea]

No but if I kill him 51% of the time then Im better then he is.

Also thats not clear at all if he trys 10 times in a row to kill me then I would assume that he can't. Surely a level 40 mage or whatever can;t kill all of me lol.

lol... yes 1 single 40 maybe will have trouble kill all of your 26 lvl42-46 toons ... wow that surely makes you "better"

Likewise for killing 51%... again my challenge was that you should kill me 4x in a row without you loosing more than 3 guys each time... obviously if you get to that point when your reach 50 you're just a big looser...

[EaTCarbS]

And you first noticed this when...?First time i read about this Mr. "Deathwalker"

If we stop talking to him, maybe he will go away?

/target moorea
/poke

:P

[Yamio]

These kinds of posts won't be tolerated - if you want to post shit like this, take it to the WoW forums.

Stealthymod.

[glo]

8-2 Loja(Moorea) wins

Sam just logged, I'll post some screens in a minute.

[Sam DeathWalker]

OK Loja got me 5-2 fair and square. So as of this moment he is still the better player.

But I get stonger every day.

After 5-2 he didnt want to wait for mana regen, so I just rez and attacked with no buffs and little mana and health so those dont count.

[Moorea]

I won "fair and square" 8 times and lost 2 times with a single level 62 DK (Loja) against Sam's army of 26 level 43-46 toons

First 7 fights were "wait until I'm ready - ok go" fights - - I won those 5-2; note that during the first 2 I won; a level 80 priest attacked me... yet I killed all of sam's... and the next 3 fights were "attack whenever you want" (I was low health but won all 3 ...)

This is the same Loja that Sam claimed to be able to "kill anytime" earlier - and that was before he granted a few more levels to his guys who were 2xlvl 42; 12 lvl 43, 7x level 44; 4 level 45; 1 level 46

(I had typed a longer message but the @&%^&@ forum UI ate the first version again)

I have 2 more dks I could add to the mix in case Sam would get tougher to kill but I feel bored and maybe should retire on a big victory :-)

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_VMUAeYUcLwc/Sa-N81eKzkI/AAAAAAAAAG0/rUx5wOlCJNY/s400/WoWScrnShot_030409_232911.jpg
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/0rkv3JhbstKW9AUxqj2ctg
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[RobinGBrown]

If anyone wants to really nail Sam they should report his characters for having 'pure gibberish' names - all those AA/AB/AC/AB,,,ZZ bits at the end are against the naming policy:

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/policy/namingp2.html#q (note that this applies to _all_ servers not just RP ones)

'Consist of a string of letters which do not produce a pronounceable name'

This is a point to bear in mind for other boxers as well - your character names should be pronounceable.

[Moorea]

If anyone wants to really nail Sam they should report his characters for having 'pure gibberish' names - all those AA/AB/AC/AB,,,ZZ bits at the end are against the naming policy:

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/policy/namingp2.html#q (note that this applies to _all_ servers not just RP ones)

'Consist of a string of letters which do not produce a pronounceable name'

This is a point to bear in mind for other boxers as well - your character names should be pronounceable.

it's not pure giberish it's a simple scheme : samdeathwk + 2 chars - I doubt the policy would apply - and the issue with Sam isn't to abusively report him - just get him to admit he doesn't know how to play and should learn/listen instead of brag (and again, like I said 7 months ago; level a duo or max a 5x to at least 60 before trying 26x at a time... one random example of sam's ignorance: I was afk near the FP in tanaris waiting for him to finally come to the challenge, after having me wait >1h and he attacked me... he killed me but the guards obviously killed his bunch... twice...)

Random note about our fight : first death I was running around without buff (bone shield; etc..) and no pet to slow down Sam and basically on the defensive. Second death I got the idea to use chains of ice and was fumbling with my UI - so I think someone who would suck less than me (unlike sam I don't claim to be any good) can probably beat sam 10:0

[glo]

Sam asked me to take some screens of himself and Loja fighting 26 on 1 so here are a few screens. Apologies in advance for the quality, still playing on my laptop. I didn't get there in time for the first few fights, I was setting up macros on these characters in case I actually had to fight(there was an 80 priest there messing with Loja). As I arrived Sam had just killed Loja for the first time making the score 3-1, one of those wins the 80 attacked Loja and he killed Sam before dying!

Here I am arriving and resetting Sam real quick after he beats Loja.

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Here the humble shepherd Loja squares off against the "might" of the Deathwalker legion. =P

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The loan warrior knows he must be the aggressor if there is any chance of success, he strikes!

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The the grip and /follow is just as good as a ranged aoe silence, and If I'm not mistaken you will run right into a fresh Death and Decay.

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Yep.

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The perfect timing on the ghoul stun will get everyone nicely grouped on the AOE effect.

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Hey Sam, that is an anti-magic zone buddy, now would have been a great time to heal.

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Or you can throw some lightning bolts at it and maybe kill the thing before it expires *shrug*

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It's all over within a couple seconds of the pally reaching melee range. He'll go down quick but not before spreading the diseases.

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A quick blood boil will finish the stragglers.

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That is a fairly typical fight between the two. I wanted to take a screen shot of Sam and I fighting but I can't get it no matter how fast I spam the print screen button ;)

[Moorea]

Nice shots glo :-) Too bad you have spell details low and we don't see DnD too well :-)

You give me too much credit about tactics/strategy but thanks :-)

ps: forgot to mention than when I died/'lost' - I had killed around 1/2 of sam's toons...

[Sam DeathWalker]

Ya a loss for me today no doubt.

We will see what the future brings.

[glo]

Nice shots glo :-) Too bad you have spell details low and we don't see DnD too well :-)

You give me too much credit about tactics/strategy but thanks :-)

ps: forgot to mention than when I died/'lost' - I had killed around 1/2 of sam's toons...

Warned you before I posted I was playing on my laptop.

You didn't die in that one, you are standing behind the ghoul in the last screen.

[blast3r]

If anyone wants to really nail Sam they should report his characters for having 'pure gibberish' names - all those AA/AB/AC/AB,,,ZZ bits at the end are against the naming policy:

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/policy/namingp2.html#q (note that this applies to _all_ servers not just RP ones)

'Consist of a string of letters which do not produce a pronounceable name'

This is a point to bear in mind for other boxers as well - your character names should be pronounceable.

What the hell is your problem? You don't like sam ignore him. He is a member of our boxing community and isn't breaking the TOS. Why don't you go get a life.

[BoxerFest]

just get him to admit he doesn't know how to play and should learn/listen instead of brag How pathetic. How old are you?



and the issue with Sam isn't to abusively report him
Oh my...what a reasonable fellow you are

[Yamio]

Leave RobinGBrown alone man. She doesn't like Sam, and that's cool. He has offended her somehow and she just wants to get back at him anyway she can. There isn't a rule that she SHOULDN'T tell people to report him. It's in bad taste, I know, but if that's what she wants to do then let her.

[jinx08]

Leave RobinGBrown alone man. She doesn't like Sam, and that's cool. He has offended her somehow and she just wants to get back at him anyway she can. There isn't a rule that she SHOULDN'T tell people to report him. It's in bad taste, I know, but if that's what she wants to do then let her.Stop kissing arse.
If she has a problem then fair enough. Suggesting using underhanded tactics to screw over (an albeit ignorant) fellow boxer isn't really in the spirit of our community is it?

[Tizer]

All you had to do to ruin sams day is to kill 1/2 characters. hes leveling them all, without them all he wont be doing much if anything. You should all know what its like to be leveling up. One toon out of sync is a pita. :)

[RobinGBrown]

the spirit of our community?
IIRC then this community is set to abide by ALL the TOS of WoW - which would include naming policies.

Or are we being particular about which of the TOS we want to abide by?

The reason why I'm upset is that Sam is taking my crown (or tiara perhaps). Because I'm the best at WoW, I'm younger, better looking, have more toons at higher levels, have defeated more enemies at higher levels, I have a fashion sense, understand the game, have a job, family and life.

I'm simply the best, hands down. The rest of you can quit now, because you'll never touch this, not even if you wash properly behind your ears.

p.s. I also have a sense of humour

[Naysayer]

the spirit of our community?
IIRC then this community is set to abide by ALL the TOS of WoW - which would include naming policies.

Or are we being particular about which of the TOS we want to abide by?

The reason why I'm upset is that Sam is taking my crown (or tiara perhaps). Because I'm the best at WoW, I'm younger, better looking, have more toons at higher levels, have defeated more enemies at higher levels, I have a fashion sense, understand the game, have a job, family and life.

I'm simply the best, hands down. The rest of you can quit now, because you'll never touch this, not even if you wash properly behind your ears.

p.s. I also have a sense of humourYou are petty and annoying.

[jinx08]

the spirit of our community?
IIRC then this community is set to abide by ALL the TOS of WoW - which would include naming policies.

Or are we being particular about which of the TOS we want to abide by?

If you want to be that anal about it then perhaps you should suggest reporting anyone on here that uses such a system to diferentiate between their various characters?



The reason why I'm upset is that Sam is taking my crown (or tiara perhaps). Because I'm the best at WoW, I'm younger, better looking, have more toons at higher levels, have defeated more enemies at higher levels, I have a fashion sense, understand the game, have a job, family and life.

I'm simply the best, hands down. The rest of you can quit now, because you'll never touch this, not even if you wash properly behind your ears.

p.s. I also have a sense of humourYou know that's bullshit, because I am the greatest wow player of all time and therefore you simple cannot be!

p.s. I too have a sense of humour :)

[elsegundo]

the spirit of our community?
IIRC then this community is set to abide by ALL the TOS of WoW - which would include naming policies.

Or are we being particular about which of the TOS we want to abide by?

The reason why I'm upset is that Sam is taking my crown (or tiara perhaps). Because I'm the best at WoW, I'm younger, better looking, have more toons at higher levels, have defeated more enemies at higher levels, I have a fashion sense, understand the game, have a job, family and life.

I'm simply the best, hands down. The rest of you can quit now, because you'll never touch this, not even if you wash properly behind your ears.

p.s. I also have a sense of humourlol
but i think reporting sam for name violations is a low blow.
its more fun to take screenshots of him dead anyway.

[EaTCarbS]

Now we just need a vid 8|

[Spin]

Awesome screenshots!

I'd like to play Monday morning quarterback:

IMO, Sam needs to use more totems. I think that he is specifcally missing the use of 'Disease-Cleansing' totem. Even dropping 4 or 5 of these should pulse enough to cleanse of some of the diseases. That totem is gained around Level 38. I think that if Sam had about 10-15 disease cleansing totems down RNG would help clean off those diseases. Also, where are the Searing totems? 25 searing totems + Lightening bolts would at least eliminate the pet and bring some extra damage to the fight. Some grounding totems might be nice as well, though I'm not too sure if they would work on anything other than deathcoil. At the very least there should be a couple of mana totems/healing stream totems up--they won't stack, but hey, every little bit helps, right?

I would also like to know if warstomp was used (AoE stun 4tw imo).

Also, was the gargoyle used at all? If not, I must say that I'm a little disappointed that the unholy tree is not being utilized as fully as what it could be used.

Anyway, I don't think that victory can be claimed with 51% wins at a 26:1 ratio. At the very least, I think that a 75% Kill/death ratio needs to be achieved before the 'better' player is declared. I think that in order to declare a 'win' we need to figure out a weight based on DK level, average Shaman level and how many shaman were killed before the DK is killed. If either team achieves a flawless victory, then perhaps that ought to count for more points and be defined more clearly.

Also, as far as reporting Sam for names... it's a PvP server. If Blizzard enforced the naming rules on a PvP server, they wouldn't have time to do anything else. Reporting is kinda petty and rather rude. I'm quite sure that everyone with their team names in their signature would get pissed if Sam turned around and reported their names as well. I'd rather see this settled out in the schoolyard than to go crying to the teachers to break up the testosterone match. Let's leave the mortal authories out of this.

[Moorea]

Anyway, I don't think that victory can be claimed with 51% wins at a 26:1 ratio. At the very least, I think that a 75% Kill/death ratio needs to be achieved before the 'better' player is declared.

Good I got 80%

[glo]

lol
but i think reporting sam for name violations is a low blow.
its more fun to take screenshots of him dead anyway.That would definitely be a jerk move and all it would do is make him change his names. Taking screen shots is much better then trying to be a tattle tail.

[glo]

Awesome screenshots!

I'd like to play Monday morning quarterback:

IMO, Sam needs to use more totems. I think that he is specifcally missing the use of 'Disease-Cleansing' totem. Even dropping 4 or 5 of these should pulse enough to cleanse of some of the diseases. That totem is gained around Level 38. I think that if Sam had about 10-15 disease cleansing totems down RNG would help clean off those diseases. Also, where are the Searing totems? 25 searing totems + Lightening bolts would at least eliminate the pet and bring some extra damage to the fight. Some grounding totems might be nice as well, though I'm not too sure if they would work on anything other than deathcoil. At the very least there should be a couple of mana totems/healing stream totems up--they won't stack, but hey, every little bit helps, right?

I would also like to know if warstomp was used (AoE stun 4tw imo).

Also, was the gargoyle used at all? If not, I must say that I'm a little disappointed that the unholy tree is not being utilized as fully as what it could be used.

Anyway, I don't think that victory can be claimed with 51% wins at a 26:1 ratio. At the very least, I think that a 75% Kill/death ratio needs to be achieved before the 'better' player is declared. I think that in order to declare a 'win' we need to figure out a weight based on DK level, average Shaman level and how many shaman were killed before the DK is killed. If either team achieves a flawless victory, then perhaps that ought to count for more points and be defined more clearly.

Also, as far as reporting Sam for names... it's a PvP server. If Blizzard enforced the naming rules on a PvP server, they wouldn't have time to do anything else. Reporting is kinda petty and rather rude. I'm quite sure that everyone with their team names in their signature would get pissed if Sam turned around and reported their names as well. I'd rather see this settled out in the schoolyard than to go crying to the teachers to break up the testosterone match. Let's leave the mortal authories out of this.All good advice. Normally I wouldn't give an opponent such quality tactical advice but it's Sam so there isn't much chance he will take advantage of it anyway ;)

[Bigfish]

You know some of us on the RP servers take the naming policy very seriously. Not that Sam is on one.

[Sam DeathWalker]

If they want good names I need more then 12 letters.

He killes me with death and decay, Im at a loss to see how totems would stop that. Also by griping the leader everyone gets pulled away from totems anyways.

I was using only Frost Shock but Im going to mix it up with Flame, Frost and Earth.

I do use War Stomp but killing me close isnt my problems its the Death and Decay that does me in. I put Shadow resistence aura on the Pal and his group but that seems the best I can do. If he is out of range of shocks he will be out of range of the totems for sure. I do drop fire nova totems when he is in up close but my overall problem is the Death and Decay which does 90 percent on the damage to me.

[elsegundo]

If they want good names I need more then 12 letters.

He killes me with death and decay, Im at a loss to see how totems would stop that. Also by griping the leader everyone gets pulled away from totems anyways.

I was using only Frost Shock but Im going to mix it up with Flame, Frost and Earth.

I do use War Stomp but killing me close isnt my problems its the Death and Decay that does me in. I put Shadow resistence aura on the Pal and his group but that seems the best I can do. If he is out of range of shocks he will be out of range of the totems for sure. I do drop fire nova totems when he is in up close but my overall problem is the Death and Decay which does 90 percent on the damage to me.this is what i use to yell out and would apply for this situation as well...

/rw STAY OUT OF THE BEAMS!!!


this also works for Spikes, Flares, light. if its shiney and flashy and is on the ground... get out of it.

[blast3r]

If they want good names I need more then 12 letters.

He killes me with death and decay, Im at a loss to see how totems would stop that. Also by griping the leader everyone gets pulled away from totems anyways.

I was using only Frost Shock but Im going to mix it up with Flame, Frost and Earth.

I do use War Stomp but killing me close isnt my problems its the Death and Decay that does me in. I put Shadow resistence aura on the Pal and his group but that seems the best I can do. If he is out of range of shocks he will be out of range of the totems for sure. I do drop fire nova totems when he is in up close but my overall problem is the Death and Decay which does 90 percent on the damage to me.

you should create a keybinding that with one hit would move your toons out of the death and decay goop...if he gets close start dropping round robin nova totems and keep him stunnned while your shammies are hitting him with flame shock

[Shokz]

Awesome screenshots!

I'd like to play Monday morning quarterback:

IMO, Sam needs to use more totems. I think that he is specifcally missing the use of 'Disease-Cleansing' totem. Even dropping 4 or 5 of these should pulse enough to cleanse of some of the diseases. That totem is gained around Level 38. I think that if Sam had about 10-15 disease cleansing totems down RNG would help clean off those diseases. Also, where are the Searing totems? 25 searing totems + Lightening bolts would at least eliminate the pet and bring some extra damage to the fight. Some grounding totems might be nice as well, though I'm not too sure if they would work on anything other than deathcoil. At the very least there should be a couple of mana totems/healing stream totems up--they won't stack, but hey, every little bit helps, right?

I would also like to know if warstomp was used (AoE stun 4tw imo).

Also, was the gargoyle used at all? If not, I must say that I'm a little disappointed that the unholy tree is not being utilized as fully as what it could be used.

Anyway, I don't think that victory can be claimed with 51% wins at a 26:1 ratio. At the very least, I think that a 75% Kill/death ratio needs to be achieved before the 'better' player is declared. I think that in order to declare a 'win' we need to figure out a weight based on DK level, average Shaman level and how many shaman were killed before the DK is killed. If either team achieves a flawless victory, then perhaps that ought to count for more points and be defined more clearly.

Also, as far as reporting Sam for names... it's a PvP server. If Blizzard enforced the naming rules on a PvP server, they wouldn't have time to do anything else. Reporting is kinda petty and rather rude. I'm quite sure that everyone with their team names in their signature would get pissed if Sam turned around and reported their names as well. I'd rather see this settled out in the schoolyard than to go crying to the teachers to break up the testosterone match. Let's leave the mortal authories out of this.


Groundings also absorb death grip should you not wish to use your spread out macro to stop the followers stoping casting.

An extra option is using bubble at the start to get off some dmg or drop some totems without fear of being grabbed.

[Sam DeathWalker]

you should create a keybinding that with one hit would move your toons out of the death and decay goop

That would be nice but i dont think you can macro movement. I could just hit "go forward" with all my guys also but thats basically the same as auto follow. Ya bubble will make by Pal immune to speed problems. Good idea about the tremor and death grip let me work on that.

[Tasty]

you should create a keybinding that with one hit would move your toons out of the death and decay goop

That would be nice but i dont think you can macro movement. I could just hit "go forward" with all my guys also but thats basically the same as auto follow. Ya bubble will make by Pal immune to speed problems. Good idea about the tremor and death grip let me work on that.

Whats wrong with binding one key to move 1/4 of your guys forward 1/4 backward 1/4 left and 1/4 right?

[Sam DeathWalker]

And that gets you outside of a circle faster then all going in one direction?

Granted that with guys spread out he cant hit all of them at the same time, so he just picks them off group by group, I see little advantage in being spread out, true he can't hit me all at the same time, but then I can't hit him with everyone at the same time either.

[glo]

And that gets you outside of a circle faster then all going in one direction?

Granted that with guys spread out he cant hit all of them at the same time, so he just picks them off group by group, I see little advantage in being spread out, true he can't hit me all at the same time, but then I can't hit him with everyone at the same time either.There is no advantage to spreading out, don't listen to this guy. Staying in a big clump for PVP is the way to go =P

[Yamio]

glo, I got 4 words for you...


OH NO YOU DIN'IT!! /head waggle back and forth

[RobinGBrown]

>If they want good names I need more then 12 letters

BS. There are a metric f*ck ton of players on RP and RPPVP servers (and the majority od other servers too) with good names, all considerably less than 12 letters long and without spaces. I've always played on RP/RPPVP servers so I'm quite annoyed at people who can't be bothered to think of a decent name.

Looks like you're not the best at naming things either.

I'm on Scarshield Legion RPPVP (EU) on the Horde side if anyone wants to come and have a go because they think I'm being mean to Sam. My guilds are Royal Court and Legion Knights - pretty much full of just my characters if you need to find me. All my characters have original and interesting names.

[Yamio]

Personally Robin, I don't think anybody gives a shit about you. No offense. :|

[Zub]

"RobinGBrown" is such an original and interesting name.


honestly sam, bind your movement keys to spread your guys.
Not only it's WAY quicker than autofollow (since there is a delay before a toon starts following), and you obviously noticed that they stay 5 yards behind the one they follow.
moving toons 5-10 yards in each directions will allow you to survive the D&D, and during that time your searings are still shooting.

just plant a Grounding before hand and avoid the death grip. In any case, your cows should not follow the death gripped paly, they should already be casting and not losing time moving.
Also you're doing those fights in groups? Make sure you convert to raid so that those totems (those that can) and aura share across ALL your toons, not just the party.

Finaly have you tried outhealing his damage? if you cant move fast enough, maybe you can just heal through the damage with Chain Heal or Lesser Healing Wave spam, and let 5-10 of your shamies dps. (or heck, just the totems.)

[Yamio]

What? Are you giving Sam suggestions? Holy shit! And do you think he'll listen?

Please. Continue.

[Zub]

I've always been giving suggestions, check ten pages ealier.
i could write countless posts full of insults i guess, but i get my fill of that on the wow forums, so i try not to here.

[blast3r]

also earthbind totem and ghost wolf. ;)

[Spin]

He killes me with death and decay, Im at a loss to see how totems would stop that. Also by griping the leader everyone gets pulled away from totems anyways.

I was using only Frost Shock but Im going to mix it up with Flame, Frost and Earth.

I do use War Stomp but killing me close isnt my problems its the Death and Decay that does me in. I put Shadow resistence aura on the Pal and his group but that seems the best I can do. If he is out of range of shocks he will be out of range of the totems for sure. I do drop fire nova totems when he is in up close but my overall problem is the Death and Decay which does 90 percent on the damage to me.
In a nutshell, totems are immune to AoE. This means that your opponent must target each totem in order to knock it down. Most totems have a 30 yard range, some have a 40 yard I think--it's been awhile since I looked at the actual range on some of the totems. You can cast them 'on the run.' There are a few totems that are still party only I *think* (someone correct me if I am wrong) but I KNOW that the disease cleansing one is raid wide--I *think* that Healingstream/Mana Totems are only party wide, but I'm not 100% on that. That might have been changed.

You need to do 2 things. Read up on how totems work--defensive/passive totems are 'fire and forget' and they will help you a little bit if you come up with a good strategy. You REALLY need to use totems to maxmise the shaman class. The second is that you need to start healing your group. The best defense is not a brute force offense, but a careful offensive strike. Even if you alternated which shaman healed, or designated 1 shaman in each group to be resto specced, you would last longer.

So drop that searing Totem. 25 fireballs is nothing to sneeze at! Even if 75% of them get resisted, they will add to the total amount of damage being applied to his antimagic dome (thus dispelling it sooner) and against him as well. He cant kill all of them--the only way to effectively knock down those totems would be to kill the shaman as the totems vanish on death.

IMO, don't bother with Frost Shock--it has a crap range and he is coming to you or bringing you to him. Earth Shock does the most damage and Flame Shock will put a Dot on him. Stick with EarthShock for the raw damage. Flame Shock's DoT is ok, but I believe that he has a chance to resist each tick. It may or may not be worth the effort to attempt to DoT him up, but I think that you would be better served with Earth Shock.

[Spin]

All good advice. Normally I wouldn't give an opponent such quality tactical advice but it's Sam so there isn't much chance he will take advantage of it anyway ;)
Thank you.

I've read a few of Sam's posts and its obvious that he needs a little bit of help understanding the Shaman Class. For me, it's fun to see if he'll take my suggestions and attempt to use them. It's also fun to wait for him to get a bit more powerful and then see how well a single death/duo/trio/etc can do against his team. By helping both sides, it gives new life to this awesome thread. Who cares about name calling, pointing out grammitical mistakes or anything that is 'beneath the diginity of blah blah blah. This thread is about a gladatorial match. Let's take it to the next level by making sure that both sides stay properly motivated to slaughter each other for my--er, the community's pleasure.

IMO, i'd love to see an amory link to the death knights invovled. For one thing, I want to look at the specs to see if they are maxmized (as I suspect) for AoE and magic suppression specifically. I'm willing bet that a DW death knight with a set of nice blue weps could really wreak some havoc--we need something that hits hard and fast.

I'd love to see the gearing of the shaman too in additional to a typical talent spec. This thread has a lot of potential.

[Moorea]

IMO, i'd love to see an amory link to the death knights invovled. For one thing, I want to look at the specs to see if they are maxmized (as I suspect) for AoE and magic suppression specifically

This is my "anti sam specc'ed" DK :

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ner%27zhul&n=Loja

(basically specced for highest possible DnD dmg - I think - critique welcome)

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well one thing, I dont have the water totem heh ... so umm those are out anyways, just did the air, earth and fire totems quest blush ... And its not like mana means anything, I rarely run out.

Ya followers have some lag but mine is low (used to be a lot worse), and they are 5-10 yards behind. But no matter how its sliced if the dandd is 10 yards radius my guys have to move 10 yards to escape it. Frost shock and all the other shocks have the same 20 yard range. All my guys have the fire nova totem glyph and 1/2 have the lightning bolt one and the other 1/2 have the frost nova one, so that his slow will last longer.

Yes healing though it is by far the best, I need a few more levels and maybe the next chain heal to do it. Let me look into restro spec but I am really looking forward to 25 thunderstorms.

I'v added the water shield, and grounding totems to the mix. Let me read about the searing totems, I know they are impervious to aoe. I didnt know that his anti magic shield was damaged based, seems I could just drop fire nova totems near him and beat it down then, or earth shock through it.

There is little doubt that the main stratagy is to just level up to where I can one shot him. End of story.

I'll be making 6 mages soon and dropping one shaman so Ill have 6 groups of 1 mage / 4 shaman each and the Pal leader. Ya warlocks are better for transport but I dont want to deal with pets and yet antoehr class. The 35 yard range on the mages is to good to pass up and transport to major cities is good enough.

I have over 500 gold now so I been buying up all mail items that are under 5 gold each, this will add a lot to my servivibility.

GOT A PURPLE item this morning putting it out at 266 gold in AH !!!!!!!

[elsegundo]

There is little doubt that the main stratagy is to just level up to where I can one shot him. End of story.

26 vs 1? as you level you better be able to 1shot him. there's no strategy in that.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Right, thats why I play 26, and with 6 mages all the better and in a year or two 20 more goblin rocket things well .... Ya I level slower by far but when I get to where i want to be well ....

Im going to RAF the mages, but I might not get raf again the rest, its like another $1000 and Ill be at level 47ish anyways, I can work with rested exp (do one group until they are not reasted, then another untill they are not rested, then the next etc.) well enough.

Im not going restro, Ill wait for level 46 and chainheal2 adds over 20percent more healing. Also might glyph some guys to glyph of chain heal also, maybe like 4 be frost shock glyph and the rest chain heal (21), that should boost up the healing enough. Dont really need the lightning bolt glyph anyways. I use the fire nova totem every time in pve so I have to have it. Dang the glyph requires 385 inscription ... well humm Ill try and get some slow but sure bah.

The anti magic zone takes 10K damage ... or 10 seconds, think Ill wait the 10 seconds.

I can see why everyone is complaining about DK's in PvP ....



Searing Totem Rank 4
9% of base mana
Instant cast
Tools:

Fire Totem
Summons a Searing Totem with 5 health at your feet for 45 sec that repeatedly attacks an enemy within 20 yards for 26 to 34 Fire damage.

Is that per second? At any rate he would be nuts to be inside 20 yards as Ill shock him down. Still these dont need facing. Hummm ... well can't hurt to add them to the mix either.

[Moorea]

lol... using raf for the ez 1-40ish and giving up on the useful ->61 part... great strategy sam - without RAF you'll probably hit 60 when the next expansion comes up...

as far as buying items at the AH that again shows how clueless you are... level instead of spending all this time in AH... and wasting money... keep your money to get mounts instead of wasting it on useless gear that any normal player would outlevel in hours

[Sam DeathWalker]

I have the zehvra mounts on all. I have 500gold to spend and make 100g or so each day just selling stuff I get from killz.

[Til Eulenspiegel]

I have the zehvra mounts on all. I have 500gold to spend and make 100g or so each day just selling stuff I get from killz.
500g total? Just remember that as you level, skills will cost more and more, and at some point down the road you'll need to get higher riding skill (unless you never want to either ride fast or fly). And that will cost a pretty penny.

[Souca]

The Zhevra mount is a 150 riding mount. Training to ride that mount is 480G if you are exalted with the faction of the trainer. So best case you are looking at:

480G x 36 = 17,280G

I don't know what level you are now, but you will also need to learn Riding(75) before you can train Riding(150) for the Zhevra, so thats:

28g x 36 = 1,008G assuming you are exalted with the faction of the trainer. Worst case it's 35G if you are nuetral. Your pally will get their mount and training as part of a spell training, so you save a little there. You will also need to buy a slow mount to ride, which is aprox 9g per. You can avoid the 9g if you wait until you are 60 to train riding, but it will be slower questing even with ghost wolf and you still have to shell out the 1,008G for the first level of riding.

- Souca -

[Spin]

IMO, i'd love to see an amory link to the death knights invovled. For one thing, I want to look at the specs to see if they are maxmized (as I suspect) for AoE and magic suppression specifically

This is my "anti sam specc'ed" DK :

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ner%27zhul&n=Loja

(basically specced for highest possible DnD dmg - I think - critique welcome)

Your build is ok, but it looks like you didn't spend too much time on it--basically just threw down 53 points and were gtg. IMO the points you have in blood are wasted without getting the 2 hnd talent--better by far to use those points in either frost or more unholy.

BTW, you are human... why use an axe? Don't humans get +5 expertise with swords? Not that 5 expertise is gonna matter all that much in the present, but eventually it will cut down on dodges and parries on the pally. Prot pallies can be a real bitch to kill considering that they can cleanse themself and they have a lot of dodge/parry mitigation. Well, assumign they are specc'd properly that is.

Anyway, we need to look the fact we(well you) are facing 25 shammies and a pally. Shammies do Nature and Fire damage, Pallies do Holy damage, so we need ways to mitigate both. We need to be able to kill many quickly and eliminate/mitigate incoming damage. Right now you have a 15-20ish level difference and the fact that there isn't a lot of low level +hit gear. We also need to consider that we have to be on top of the target to do the maximum amount of damage which means that we have to deal with PBAoEs(Player Based AoEs).

I'm looking some stuff and crosschecking a few things. I'll have a real build at some point, but tentatively I have:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jZbxZfMhIxck0xqocou

Make sure that you are plague striking and then DnDing. PS + desecration will add 5% damage plus its a snare. Icy touch then pestilence to spread DK herpes through his ranks. Make sure that you have the DnD Glyph that adds +damage--too bad it isn't an AoE fear anymore, otherwise you'd be lol'ing him. Don't worry about the speed boost talents, you have the epic ground which travels faster than anything else in azeroth. I need to work Reaping into the build and there are few other key points that I missed.

Thats all for now.

BTW, if your alchemy, make some ivis pots for that surpise buttsehks factor. Maybe seel those herbs or trade for a leg enchant? I haven't looked at the gear too closely. Will check more soon.

I'll look for a better anti-sam build.

[Moorea]

IMO, i'd love to see an amory link to the death knights invovled. For one thing, I want to look at the specs to see if they are maxmized (as I suspect) for AoE and magic suppression specifically

This is my "anti sam specc'ed" DK :

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ner%27zhul&n=Loja

(basically specced for highest possible DnD dmg - I think - critique welcome)

Your build is ok, but it looks like you didn't spend too much time on it--basically just threw down 53 points and were gtg. IMO the points you have in blood are wasted without getting the 2 hnd talent--better by far to use those points in either frost or more unholy.

I guess you didn't actually check the points I put :-) this is a respec and there is a very good reason to take those 10 points in blood and 5 in frost... Let see if you can figure it out :-)



BTW, you are human... why use an axe? Don't humans get +5 expertise with swords? Not that 5 expertise is gonna matter all that much in the present, but eventually it will cut down on dodges and parries on the pally. Prot pallies can be a real bitch to kill considering that they can cleanse themself and they have a lot of dodge/parry mitigation. Well, assumign they are specc'd properly that is.

irrelevant - the reason I have that axe is it's the best AP item I have - expertise is irrelevant when fighting toons several level lower


Anyway, we need to look the fact we(well you) are facing 25 shammies and a pally. Shammies do Nature and Fire damage, Pallies do Holy damage, so we need ways to mitigate both. We need to be able to kill many quickly and eliminate/mitigate incoming damage. Right now you have a 15-20ish level difference and the fact that there isn't a lot of low level +hit gear. We also need to consider that we have to be on top of the target to do the maximum amount of damage which means that we have to deal with PBAoEs(Player Based AoEs).

the pally is irrelevant; he could hit me for 1/2h and not kill me...



I'm looking some stuff and crosschecking a few things. I'll have a real build at some point, but tentatively I have:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jZbxZfMhIxck0xqocou

Make sure that you are plague striking and then DnDing. PS + desecration will add 5% damage plus its a snare. Icy touch then pestilence to spread DK herpes through his ranks. Make sure that you have the DnD Glyph that adds +damage--too bad it isn't an AoE fear anymore, otherwise you'd be lol'ing him. Don't worry about the speed boost talents, you have the epic ground which travels faster than anything else in azeroth. I need to work Reaping into the build and there are few other key points that I missed.

Thats all for now.

if not putting the 10+5 I have in blood/frost - then a deep unholy to get Unholy blight would be a must - your spec doesn't have it - I used to have a deep unholy but coming in contact to apply desecrate, etc... is a risky proposition and maximizing DnD is better (which is my build)

On a pale horse is also a sam special : I spend considerable amount of time running around searching for him

Likewise once on foot, any speed advantage is vital - so I think you're wrong on all counts so far :-) keep trying though :-)

[Moorea]

I have the zehvra mounts on all. I have 500gold to spend and make 100g or so each day just selling stuff I get from killz.

Cool you can get the slow riding and mount for 11 of your toons and fast one for 1 with that... which was my point exactly... but continue wasting time and gold... goes well with the rest of your strategies and real life

[Spin]

I guess you didn't actually check the points I put :-) this is a respec and there is a very good reason to take those 10 points in blood and 5 in frost... Let see if you can figure it out :-)
Admittedly I didn't look very closely at your build, so I will conceed I didn't see you were specifically boosting DnD via AP--even though you wrote that. I was a bit harried at work. :)

Butchery is for the runic power, I assume to launch the gargolye? I'm guessing that you chose to put the 3 points in Subversion for the crit strike on bloodstrike and Obliterate, but I'm not a big fan of Bladed armor--even if you are getting 148 AP from it. Though since you are specfically synergizing for DnD, it makes sense now. Frost is for the armor boost. The armor isn't going to be much help vs spells, but it's to boost bladed armor, hence AP, hence DnD.




BTW, you are human... why use an axe? Don't humans get +5 expertise with swords? Not that 5 expertise is gonna matter all that much in the present, but eventually it will cut down on dodges and parries on the pally. Prot pallies can be a real bitch to kill considering that they can cleanse themself and they have a lot of dodge/parry mitigation. Well, assumign they are specc'd properly that is.

irrelevant - the reason I have that axe is it's the best AP item I have - expertise is irrelevant when fighting toons several level lower
My question is not irrelevant--I asked why. I was looking at it from a long term perspective(ie that you would be fighting Sam at level 62 for quite a long time) rather than a Build-specific perspective(ie that the axe has AP for DnD). I was going to point out that Sam might be several levels lower now, BUT eventually he will level---and then I read his plan for leveling 6 mages. I'll conceed your point here.




Anyway, we need to look the fact we(well you) are facing 25 shammies and a pally. Shammies do Nature and Fire damage, Pallies do Holy damage, so we need ways to mitigate both. We need to be able to kill many quickly and eliminate/mitigate incoming damage. Right now you have a 15-20ish level difference and the fact that there isn't a lot of low level +hit gear. We also need to consider that we have to be on top of the target to do the maximum amount of damage which means that we have to deal with PBAoEs(Player Based AoEs).

the pally is irrelevant; he could hit me for 1/2h and not kill me...
Again, I was going to point out when he reaches a higher level... but of course, that might take a bit with the 6 mages.... :rolleyes:



I'm looking some stuff and crosschecking a few things. I'll have a real build at some point, but tentatively I have:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jZbxZfMhIxck0xqocou

Make sure that you are plague striking and then DnDing. PS + desecration will add 5% damage plus its a snare. Icy touch then pestilence to spread DK herpes through his ranks. Make sure that you have the DnD Glyph that adds +damage--too bad it isn't an AoE fear anymore, otherwise you'd be lol'ing him. Don't worry about the speed boost talents, you have the epic ground which travels faster than anything else in azeroth. I need to work Reaping into the build and there are few other key points that I missed.

Thats all for now.

if not putting the 10+5 I have in blood/frost - then a deep unholy to get Unholy blight would be a must - your spec doesn't have it - I used to have a deep unholy but coming in contact to apply desecrate, etc... is a risky proposition and maximizing DnD is better (which is my build)
I was looking at the attack differently so I started building based on using diseases in addition to DnD for damage.

Admittedly, I've only played a 32/39 DW unholy DK and a Blood DPS Spec DK. The animation for unholy blight is incredibly annoying to me, so I didn't read what it did too carefully--like I mentioned, the build was tenative and I was still looking b/c I was unhappy with my first go. My spec was built with the idea of charging in, spreading the diseases, dropping a DnD and then fading. Since 40ish shammies don't have much in the way of health(and Sam seems to not be healing through it and no way to dispell it.), I was thinking that Blood Boil would be a good use of randomly exploding members of his team. Also, Descrations 5% damage + Ebon plague's 13% increase to spell damage are nice DnD/ Disease/ Bloodboil boosters. The snare would also keep the herd stuck in DnD for a bit longer as well.


On a pale horse is also a sam special : I spend considerable amount of time running around searching for him
Likewise once on foot, any speed advantage is vital -
Ok, I can see the reasoning behind that. I didn't bother with the speed talents b/c I thought that perhaps you were scouting for him in a different fashion. IMO, I get there when I get there and I'd rather use those 4 points to squeeze more damage. Also, I didn't realize that On a Pale horse is a 20% stun duration reducer. If you are using the build to stay at range and to hit and fade, then I see why you want them.


so I think you're wrong on all counts so far :-) keep trying though :-)
Not wrong, just looking at the situation through different glasses. Anyway, I *think* that I understand what you are doing--its foreign to how I would use a death knight, but I find it interesting. You are using hit and run tactics and harassing with DnD?

Regardless, I am viewing this thread as a very nice learning experience. :D

More screenshots imo. Maybe I'll jump into the fray at some point myself!

[Moorea]

Yes in short I use that DK as ranged AOE caster :-) If blizz allowed creation of level 55 mage on any realm, I would probably have used that to solo kill Sam instead of DK :-)

The first 5 points in blood are mostly just to get to the next 5 to get AP ; it stacks with the frost toughness -> more armor -> bladed armor -> more ap -> impurity -> more spell power - but yes while picking the first 5, runic power gen and some crit is better than parry

And yes I think the pale horse; in addition to helping scan zones faster (what else could I use to find sam than /target and running around - beside asking in /1 if anyone saw him that is...) also helps for the fire nova and thunderstomp stuns (at least I guess it does - I haven't timed it...)


ps: my other dks are BE for shadow meld (surprise graveyard ganking) and nature resist (lightning bolt) - and on all 3 I took the nature resist back amongst the 3 choices - there is a lot of method in my madness :-)

[Sam DeathWalker]

I dont see a need for horses now, gw is good enough. I just kill as I go ... so on my way to wherever I am going I pick up herbs, minerals and kills mobs ... So mounted dosnet really benifit me a lot as when I cast Im off the mount...

As I am always killing Im thinking to just enchant my boots with some speed benifit (its not a lot I know). Im makeing 100g a day now from AH ... how much more will I be makeing when I am getting better materials and higher level items?

One thing it seeems to me that although it seems resonable the fact is I level faster now then I did at the lower levels. Yes technically you have to kill more mobs per level as you get higher, true enough. But your ability to kill mobs (at least with 26 guys) goes up just as fast or faster then the amount you have to kill extra. I have zero mana downtime now, that wasnt the case at the low levels, I can heal and kill aoe style, which wasnt the case either, its almost impossible to die with even 10-15 mobs pull. I have more flight paths and because I am home at sath I get places way faster then I used to. Fewer people can attack me as I get higher. I have less problems with gold.

I'v gotten up to 2000 exp at level 45 in a single 10 mob kill.. and able to kill another 7 about 1 minute later. Like I say I pulling about 60K exp per hour on 4 guys at the same time.

Maybe for your style of play higher levels are slower, but for my style of pbaoeing everything I come accross, with 26 toons, its better for me.

I have over 10 guys at 45 now, I think 46 is going to allow me to heal through stuff.

[glo]

Yes in short I use that DK as ranged AOE caster :-) If blizz allowed creation of level 55 mage on any realm, I would probably have used that to solo kill Sam instead of DK :-)

The first 5 points in blood are mostly just to get to the next 5 to get AP ; it stacks with the frost toughness -> more armor -> bladed armor -> more ap -> impurity -> more spell power - but yes while picking the first 5, runic power gen and some crit is better than parry

And yes I think the pale horse; in addition to helping scan zones faster (what else could I use to find sam than /target and running around - beside asking in /1 if anyone saw him that is...) also helps for the fire nova and thunderstomp stuns (at least I guess it does - I haven't timed it...)


ps: my other dks are BE for shadow meld (surprise graveyard ganking) and nature resist (lightning bolt) - and on all 3 I took the nature resist back amongst the 3 choices - there is a lot of method in my madness :-)Dk get more reliable aoe in 3.1

Blood Boil does aoe damage and added damage for diseases on the ptr.

[RobinGBrown]

I have the zehvra mounts on all. I have 500gold to spend and make 100g or so each day just selling stuff I get from killz.100g a day on crappy lvl 40ish drops ? Either you're managing to farm a lot more than I give you credit for or you're lying about where you get gold from.

[Sam DeathWalker]

I kill a LOT of mobs, how many mobs do you need to kill before you get a purple to drop? I loot everything, and I sell everything, consumables like that cheese lol. Plus I make things with my 200ish skills in all trades and use/sell or disenchant those and sell the disenchant stuff. And as I grow out of a trade skill Ill sell the lower level stuffs, like a dust that is to low for me.

If I was buying gold I would have like 50,000 not 500.

Some guy paid me 140 gold for 7 maps to this:

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=9265#contains:0-14+1

He wanted at pattern or recipe, which is so valuable?

[Lokked]

Pre-50 mobs, I believe epic world drops (the 2 or 3 that there are) have a 1 in 10,000 chance from normal mobs and maybe 3 times as much from instance mobs.

In bringing 3 chars to 60 pre-BC, I received 1 BoE Epic from a lvl 55 mob in WPL.

[Moorea]

Now sam has 5 mages and he still doesn't quest... they'd be way past level 20 by now if he was questing, but he is just killing random mobs, very slowly, and dying a lot (if you can imagine that it's possible for 5 man to die - it is for sam...) he only is level 11...

[Sam DeathWalker]

Once the 4 are 17 Ill raf grant them to level 44ish. That'll be the end of all my left over raf level grants, and Ill have 4 mages to go with my crew. Two more will be a raf pair that I'll instance boost later.

kInda doing an interesting trick. Because I have 5 accounts feeding my main account I am putting the 4 mages on the main account. So what Im doing is grouping the mage from the main account with 4 others and then keeping the main account mage but just using the 4 others to grant levels to the mages on the main account, and then will delete the 4 others (they will be at level 17 so no loss). Then when I have 4 level 17's on the main account Ill use the level 44 shaman (who have not granted anything since level 22), on the 5 linked accounts, to grant all their rafs to the 4 level 17 mages taking them all the way to 44ish!

At level 10ish I kill like 4 mobs every minute (or faster) for about 320 exp X 5 toons per minute. I really dont see questing as doing any better. Its only been like one day of real time and Im at level 11 already.

[Zub]

not to burst your bubble, but playing a toon alone (not boxing) from start to level 10 takes about 1,5-2hour max.
2(or 5) toons with triple xp should take about 45-50 minutes to ding 10. add at most another half hour if you don't know your way around at all.

at lower levels it takes 3 quests to ding with triple xp

[Zub]

a quest like the Cactus Apple (http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=4402), which you can get at level 1, give you 380x3=1140xp, for picking up 10 apples. (about 1 min total pick up time if you're killing mobs there anyway).
Note that this is a level ONE quest, and it would give you about 15% of your level TEN needed xp. Imagine what a level 10 quest gives.
Also note that there are a crapton of killing quests that do the same or better, without costing any time at all, since you're killing stuff anyway.

on top of that, quests give you rep with horde factions, which eventually will lead to lower repair, training and item costs, by 10%-20%

[EaTCarbS]

At level 10ish I kill like 4 mobs every minute (or faster) for about 320 exp X 5 toons per minute. I really dont see questing as doing any better. Its only been like one day of real time and Im at level 11 already.With RAF, you also get the bonus experience applied to quests. So, it is ALOT faster to quest than just simply grinding.

EDIT: This is why questing is ALWAYS faster that strait up grinding mobs:

Most quests involve you killing stuff (Kill x mobs)... which is what grinding is, but you get the bonus xp for the quest turn in, as well as the XP for killing the mobs.

Questing just gives your grinding a direction, and gives you more XP to boot! :D

[Zub]

and more money, and quest rewards, and direction to the next grinding zone, and a cool storyline ;)

[Moorea]

I already tried to explain to sam that instead of killing random mobs he could kill the same mob for a kill quest and get so much faster but he's got to be the most obtuse wow player ever... I've now given up on trying to impart any experience...



ps: if you don't see me post it will be because stealthy threathens to ban me (because I asked privately why is it so bad to link screenshots in the screenshot forum - I guess you get what you pay for - A mostly great free community service but at the mercy of fiefdom powers and arbitrary censure)

No - you would be getting banned for sending abusive PM's. Learn to control your temper instead of carrying on like a 10 year old. - Stealthy

[Zub]

I already tried to explain to sam that instead of killing random mobs he could kill the same mob for a kill quest and get so much faster but he's got to be the most obtuse wow player ever... I've now given up on trying to impart any experience...
We have all already stated it before, but repetition is a good way to teach/learn ;-)

[Sam DeathWalker]

I have 50 quests done on most my guys ... I know what quests do.

I like killing mobs, not going from here to there, ya it is more efficient to do quests as to the mobs you are killing anyways but I note that Ill do the quests and still kill the mobs for days after I am done with the quests so ...

Im level 12, only 5 more levels to go shouldn't be a problem quest or not.

The thing I dont understand is everyone tells ME to quest, yet EVERY TIME someone ELSE posts about boosting or killing mobs to level none says a word about quests:

Pretty Fast leveling [[Boosting]] ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=19891&')


Killing mobs in the open, if there are a ton of them available, is like instance boosting cept you don't lose the share of the exp that goes to the high level toon. When I kill with 26 guys I am instance boosting (but not in an instance) but I dont lose exp as all are the same level. Yes insance has 2X exp for elite mobs, but outdoor has unlimited firepower with help that dosnt cost you 80 percent or more of the exp per mob lol.

I do agree that with only 5 guys dungon boosting will go a lot better, but with 26 its a different story, assuming a ton of mobs. The pirate place in Tenis has so many mobs that they may as well be considered unlimited. And the scar in Ghostlands also has basically unlimited mobs for a single group of 5.

Also if you are going to instance boost you should use a level 50 not a level 80 .... if yur lowbies are like level 20 or so.

[Moorea]

I have 50 quests done on most my guys ... I know what quests do.Already told you in game that 50 quests achievement on a level 47 is nothing to brag about (and doesn't mean you have any clues about quests). 50 quests achievement is something you would get at or before level 10 if not raf'ing and maybe at level 20-25 if you do. Alas you're content that you tried quests (the bad ones; collection quests) and that your insanely slow method is better... knock yourself out.

Likewise if you had leveled a pair - maybe your pally and something else - to level 60+ in about a week elapsed time - you could boost at least to some extend but hey... that would have meant taking advice... now you spent 2 RAFs and have nothing to show for it... congrats

[Zub]

The thing I dont understand is everyone tells ME to quest, yet EVERY TIME someone ELSE posts about boosting or killing mobs to level none says a word about quests:
When you instance boost, Sam, you have a high level toon that goes and collects ALL the elite mobs of an instance and kills them in 10 minutes. All of them.
That's like 60-80 ELITE mobs. and it doesn't take more than about that much time since sometimes people actually get the 5 instance cap per hour thingy.

on top of that, you get bosses (higher xp per kill) and loot.

But obviously people are talking about groups of FIVE.
In your case, since you don't want to level groups of 5, but all 26 at the time, then your best bet is RAF'd quests, and killing mobs to and from those quests. Using QuestHelper and Tomtom you should be able to do the quests without even reading anything or knowing anything about the game., which should prove convenient for your herd ;)

[Bigfish]

Killing mobs in the open, if there are a ton of them available, is like instance boosting cept you don't lose the share of the exp that goes to the high level toon. When I kill with 26 guys I am instance boosting (but not in an instance) but I dont lose exp as all are the same level. Yes insance has 2X exp for elite mobs, but outdoor has unlimited firepower with help that dosnt cost you 80 percent or more of the exp per mob lol.

You ever find those spots that give out150+ mobs in the space of a few minutes?

[jinx08]

The thing I dont understand is everyone tells ME to quest, yet EVERY TIME someone ELSE posts about boosting or killing mobs to level none says a word about quests:
When you instance boost, Sam, you have a high level toon that goes and collects ALL the elite mobs of an instance and kills them in 10 minutes. All of them.
That's like 60-80 ELITE mobs. and it doesn't take more than about that much time since sometimes people actually get the 5 instance cap per hour thingy.

on top of that, you get bosses (higher xp per kill) and loot.

But obviously people are talking about groups of FIVE.
In your case, since you don't want to level groups of 5, but all 26 at the time, then your best bet is RAF'd quests, and killing mobs to and from those quests. Using QuestHelper and Tomtom you should be able to do the quests without even reading anything or knowing anything about the game., which should prove convenient for your herd ;)I would definately have to agree with you on that.
Sam, at your level, you should be getting 20k plus exp from doing quests with RAF. Even if you insist on levelling all of your toons at the same time, picking up ONLY the kill quests would help you no end.

[Sam DeathWalker]

I understand the high level toons kills 60 mobs for you. But the exp you get per kill is like what 20/20plus80, 1/5 if a level 80 is boosting a level 20.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Mob_XP

or the same as if you killed 12 mobs on your own (or 24 non eleit mobs) .....

Can you kill 24 mobs in 12 minutes with 21 other same level characters to help your 5 man group (as opposed to a 4 man group in instances I mgiht add). I think so.

So instance = 60 mobs dead, in 12 mintues.

World killing = 24 mobs with 21 other characters to help, in 12 mintues.

Should be no problem to kill a mob every 30 seconds with 26 characters .... In fact in the priate cove, by dropping 20 fire nova totems and aoeing the mobs i am doing WAY more then a mob per 30 seconds lol .... Ill parse my logs to find out.

So for a 26 boxer real world killing is like instance boosting which most say is better then questing.

[Bigfish]

Parse your XP/hour/character at what level, and we'll see if someone with some boostable characters can give us an ingame number for instance boosting of an equivalent level. Not that it really matters. I already boosted a full 25-man raid to 60 in the space of a week or two. I have no idea what's taking you so long unless you're only playing 2 hours a week or something.

Edit: Oh, and while I'm here, the reason you get told to quest and everyone else gets told to boost is because, generally, boosting is faster if you have a booster available, which many regular WoW players who move in to boxing do. Questing is faster for people who can't boost and want to level all their toons at once.

[Sam DeathWalker]

I have this:

http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/wlp.aspx

but I cant seem to get any exp/hour from it.

[blast3r]

I have this:

http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/wlp.aspx

but I cant seem to get any exp/hour from it.

Use Titan Panel with the XP mod. It shows you XP per hour as well as estimated time to reach next level.

[Souca]

Okay. On leveling times and boosting.

With RaF I can quest to level 10 in 1 hour 17 minutes ('http://www.fivetimesthefun.com/multiboxing/screenshots/fasterlevels.jpg') . That was on a pretty crappy comp too ( 3 hunters, shammy and a rogue )

From level 10 instance boosting SFK -> SM Cath -> ZF -> Strat -> Ramps with a level 80 DK resulted in level 60 characters with 19 hours played, but we can call it 20 to make the math easier.

From Wowwiki ('http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:XP_To_Level#Experience_to_Level_by_Level_ .28Pre-WotLK.29'):

The total experience needed to reach level 60 is 3,379,400. So 3,379,400 / 20 = 168k per hour

This number includes all afk, travel time, and any down time while logged in. Not the best average in the world, but still not that bad. In real world time, it was over the period of a Fri, Sat and Sun.

You could have 25 60s with RaF in 100 hours played seperate from the pally leveling to 70 or 80. You don't have to level all 26 together. What is the /played time your characters?

- Souca -

[Bigfish]

I think I simplified it even more. Seconds/mob, since that's what Sam seems to like. It starts out in RFC and Stocks being pretty high, maybe 4-5 seconds/mob. Maybe less. As you level up, the pulls start shrinking around level 40 or so, but this is made up for by the booster's level having less of an impact on the diminished XP. I would say though if you're ever dropping to 30seconds/mob, you're doing something wrong terribly terribly wrong.

[Souca]

More math.

Assuming a level 47 world mob, a level 47 would get 280 xp for a solo kill.

For a group of 5 level 47, each would get 78.4 xp.

Factor in RaF and you get 235.2 rounded to 236 to be generous.

168k per hour / 236 = aprox 711 per hour or 11.85 per minute, or one every 5-6 seconds.

This is per 5 man group and inclusive of time to loot. Since the 168k per hour is based on 4 characters being boosted (and gifting a 5th and 6th ) this is the appropriate comparison even though you get 6 characters from boosting.

- Souca -

[Zub]

guys stop with the boosting, you all know Sam does NOT have a high level toon he can rely on to boost his herd (and won't level one solo. it's 26 or not basically)

Sam, in my previous note i commented on boosting, because it was your example, but obviously this is for 5 man groups (or even 4 man+booster)
I also said it would not work for your group of 26, and that "your best bet was quests".

If you're going to be killing stuff anyway, why not pick up the quests? grab them on five toons, share them on 25.

Heck one thing i would suggest if you don't want to be 'questing': STILL PICK UP ALL THE QUESTS YOU SEE, don't even look at them, and go do your grind thing.
Chances are, you'll be completing the quests without realizing it, as there are quests for almost every mob in the game. And that is a hell lot of bonus xp.

What's the worse that can happen? your quest log will be full, and that's just a couple clicks in Jamba to fix up.

Good hunting.

[mikekim]

Sam,

here are some simple facts you just don't seem to grasp:

Normal RAF method:

1x group of 5 from 0-60 questing normally using RAF (all the same level - no boosting) 2 days /Played

rinse and repeat x 4 groups another 8 days /played

character 26 gifted up to 60 - 2 minutes /played

so using RAF the way its supposed (and the time to level to 60 is not by far the quickest ) to be played 10 days /played for all characters to 60


Your Method:

level all 26 characters at the same time by killing mobs (currently level 47) 6 months /played ?

now you don't have to be a genius to work out which is the more efficient method of levelling, and no amount of XP/Hour stats would back you up on your method..


BOTTOM LINE... levelling up in game is primarily designed around questing (with groups of up to 5 characters)

[Moorea]

We told sam 7 months ago to shoot 2 birds in 1 stone and:

a) minimally learn the game
b) make himself a couple "main" for boosting and other use

both could have been accomplished in about 1-4 weeks of relaxed dual (1 pally 1 mage for instance) RAF questing 1-60 plus a few more weeks to get to 70 - after which he could have started RAF on 24 remaining accounts and get them all to 60 in a couple weeks (4 at a time)

I took my then 64 or so pally with the sporegearr shield and I was able to solo 1 pull SM Cath with it - used it to get a friend to lvl42 in a few hours (note btw that I tried with my 72 DK and got my ass kicked even doing 2 pulls - my 72 hunter with a gorilla pet was fine doing 2 pulls)

BUT if he wanted to play all 26 at a time (which is also a fair option); or now all 5 mages without using a booster THEN questing (following the excellent RAF Tourguide 1-60 for instance) is the fastest way - but what takes everybody hours takes weeks for sam - he's just special like that - you should see him in game...


Sam's /played time is so big it would be scary to know (and he's going to say he can't tell his played time because it includes time hanging out in TB idle... yeah... good excuse... come on ... what's the number ?)