Rebuilding computers for the 3rd time in 8 months ... lol.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Ok I log on my guys and go into Org, my main computer (one character) is fine. 4 of my other computers is like 10fps (up from 2fps from the last build lol) but the 5th is 30fps (all running 5 toons). So Im looking at why the one computer is better as they have the same ram, video card (9600), and processor (5600 amd). So the difference is the motherboard chipset. The 30fps is a nvidia 570 whereas the other 4 are the newer nvidia 8200, then I run Sandra on both and the older 570 is like 173 percent faster at the memory test. So Im like WTF (what the frog), cause I bought the 8200 motherboards figuring they are newer thus faster. Well doh they not.

So ordering 4 new motherboards today ...

Point of all this is that I am shocked that the motherboard chipset is makeing a 3X difference in frame rates, as I would have thought that the Video Card or CPU is more important.


Here is some tech stuff for those interested:

Nvidia 570:

http://www.nvidia.com/page/nforce5_amd.html

Nvidia 8200:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_8200_mgpu_us.html

Going to get these:

http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=101&l3=308&model=1181&modelmenu=2

[Rin]

Hey Sam,

Sucks that you have to buy new mobos. Did you look at / consider getting an i7 setup for all (5?) of your machines instead?

Cheers!

[elsegundo]

yay thanks sam! you've just helped out some starving folks over in silicon valley pay their bills, so those companies, in turn, can pay me (and many of their employees) for sitting here checking credit scores, analyzing financial info and overall goof off at work.

[heffner]

Seems odd to me. You sure it's not a configuration issue? are you certain that is the only difference between them???

[Freddie]

My guess is, it's a bios setting. Or the slow machines aren't seeing all their physical ram. Something along those lines.

Maybe the bios on the slow machines is setting crazy ram timings. What's the rate of hard page faults per second on the slow machines? (Edit: Those last two sentences aren't related. I'm just tossing out ideas.)

[welwyn]

in most cases i would actually work out whats wrong. this time its an error between user and keyboard.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Boy I been reading about motherboards for the last 8 hours ... bleh.

Well the 590 SLI was the top of the line 2 years ago.

8200 is for home theater usage. Im going to drop it, its not for gaming enthusists anyways.

But is the new 780a better then the 2 year old 590 SLI? ....

Is the cheaper 750a as good as or worse then the 590 SLI.


I made error the faster computer is a 590 SLI (also 6400 processor) the slower is the 8200 (and 5600 processor). Also the slower has 2X2G the faster 4X1G. All the timeings are exatly the same (5-5-5-15 3-21-6-3 2T), I turned on some HT thing but it made no difference.

It could be bios settings but I am going more by others reviews then my own benchmarks.

That 590 SLI / 6400 processor is a tough to beat combo is seems (the new Quad Cores have WORSE memory benchmarks).

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q3-2008/Everest-Read,808.html


I mean why is the new Nvidia stuff not destroying their 2 year old product? I think what it is is that everything new has an Integrated GPU which is hurting the overall performance.

I know taht I get good FPS in Org with the 590/6400 combo maybe I should just stick with that instead of the newer stuffs.

[RobinGBrown]

You like to throw money at a problem don't you, Mr transfer 25 lvl 22 toons from old account to new accounts?

So just buy 5 brand new top of the line Alienware desktops plus all peripherals and put the old computers out for scrap.

Then employ some IT support lackey to reconfigure your WoW setup and help out the economy.

Lastly, remember that a fool and his money are soon parted.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well I think I got this worked out.

Nvidia has the 8200 but there is no such thing as the nforce 8 series. I thought this was the latest product and more advanced then the nforce 7 series.

Turns out the 8200 is actually the 720D:

http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=149&l3=813

So looking at this page:

http://www.nvidia.com/page/mobo.html

Solutions for AMD
nForce 780a SLI
nForce 750a SLI
nForce 730a
nForce 720a
nForce 720D
nForce 600 series
nForce 500 series

Now the most current is the 780a, but is it the top of the line? Well in their video card series the x900 is the top of the line (8900, 7900 etc.). And the x800 is the 2nd best in the line, the x600 the value and the x200 or x400 or x500 complete garbage.

In the 500 series the 590 SIL (which I have) was the top of the line
In the 600 series there is only one part 680a
In the 700 series the 780a is the top

Now notice of those three only the 590 has the 9 in it. They have yet to make its real replacement which would be the 790a (which has been kinda announced but I dont see any boards available).

So the upshot is that there is no real reason to suppose that the newer parts are better then the 590SIL (although they may have some features the older product does not), and I kinda got snookered thinking that the 8200 was a nforce 8 series part ... oh well.

So some guy in China has 4 used 590 SiL boards for $400 total so I jump on those and hope they work lol ...

Anyway to the critics, Ill be in Org and I hope Shatt on 26 guys with 30fps on 25 and 60 plus on the 1.

[Youngceo]

no1 cares.

[Spook]

Interesting games the manufacturer's play with series numbers, vs performance.

The real test will be to see how they work once you get them going. Once you get all the machines running, and all characters available, you might find a friendly level 75+ mage to port your groups to Dalaran. If they'll move flawlessly there, they'll be good anywhere. I hardware multibox, and one of my computers really struggles there, even with only one character on it. Yean, its old and tired, but it works fine everywhere else :)

[Hachoo]

in most cases i would actually work out whats wrong. this time its an error between user and keyboard.
You like to throw money at a problem don't you, Mr transfer 25 lvl 22 toons from old account to new accounts?

So just buy 5 brand new top of the line Alienware desktops plus all peripherals and put the old computers out for scrap.

Then employ some IT support lackey to reconfigure your WoW setup and help out the economy.

Lastly, remember that a fool and his money are soon parted.
no1 cares.Congratulations on you three for winning asses-of-the-site awards. If anyone other than Sam posted this exact same thread you either wouldn't have posted here at all or you would have been somewhat helpful. The OP did not insult anyone, didn't brag at all, simply detailed a problem he was having and asked a bit for some advice. Apparently your mommy's never told you about manners.

[welwyn]

hahaha do i get a new status?
no seriously this guy asks for advice, then says he will do it his way and just ignores everyone anyway. usually costing him 25 times what anyone else would pay if they stopped to think about it. imo it would be pointless saying what was wrong cause he would just do something stupid like buy 5 more pcs then waste another 3 months setting up the new pcs.

[Sajuuk]

I just wish I had Sam's budget.

It's his money, let him spend it how he will.

[Rin]

in most cases i would actually work out whats wrong. this time its an error between user and keyboard.
You like to throw money at a problem don't you, Mr transfer 25 lvl 22 toons from old account to new accounts?

So just buy 5 brand new top of the line Alienware desktops plus all peripherals and put the old computers out for scrap.

Then employ some IT support lackey to reconfigure your WoW setup and help out the economy.

Lastly, remember that a fool and his money are soon parted.
no1 cares.Congratulations on you three for winning asses-of-the-site awards. If anyone other than Sam posted this exact same thread you either wouldn't have posted here at all or you would have been somewhat helpful. The OP did not insult anyone, didn't brag at all, simply detailed a problem he was having and asked a bit for some advice. Apparently your mommy's never told you about manners.

Hachoo,

I think people have taken this attitude on Sam because most of them have tried to offer him advice in the past, just to have it ignored. Sure, some of the advice was better than others, but in general, even the good advice that people give Sam appears to fall on deaf ears. Most of us, yourself included, don't even comment on Sam's threads - or if we do, we offer either light humor, or a suggestion - knowing that it will be disregarded.

I don't think that people are lashing out at Sam because of jealousy or envy, but rather, because of his well defined claims which have been just that - claims. There are very few people left on these boards that even believe Sam will make it to level 70, let alone 80. And, if history is any indicator (past performance), they would be correct. I personally think Sam can do it, but I wish that he would listen to some of the people on these forums. Most people that write a post asking for advice actually take it, yet it does not appear to be the case here. Some of the members of this community have become very disrespectful to Sam, but when you look at what he has claimed, can you really blame them (again, I would advise just to ignore his posts if they irritate you, rather than writing something unhelpful)?

Now, just in my opinion here, but I would think that a "intelligent" person, new to boxing, would start with 5 characters (as has been suggested numerous times), learn the game, then move forward. Even with unlimited money, what's the point of having 100 accounts if you can't level them efficiently to help support your claims? From my perspective, leveling has been quicker the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th, times around when building characters - I think Sam would experience the same thing too. I think most of us can attest to faster leveling methods once we get the "boxing" concept down.

Sorry that this has gotten quite long winded, but I realize that the best advice that we can give people is to just ignore Sams threads (if they don't like them), but that's hard - we're all human, and we're all curious.

Rin

[Sam DeathWalker]

Only "advice" I see is to buy Alienware ... odd advice from someone suggesting that a fool and his money are soon parted ...

What does leveling up 5 at a time have to do with which AM2 Nvidia Chipset has the best memory bandwidth?

I'm going to be taking Keyclone advice on the 5 instances at a time, if I can do it, so its not like I ignor everything.

Maybe none care, but someone who is thinking of buying a AM2 motherboard might find this thread usefull, doubt anyone else will.


new to boxing, would start with 5 characters
"New to boxing" ya sure ....

www.samdeathwalker.com ('www.samdeathwalker.com')

I don't need to learn how to level 5 at a time, I need to learn how to level 26 at a time as thats what I will be doing. Telling a 25 boxer to level 5 at a time is like someone telling a 5 boxer to level 1 at a time.....

Obviously I was six boxing and posting about it 1-23-2003:

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/retard-rickshaw-hall-shame/5328-who-has-top-single-person-burst-dps-server-wide.html

Anyway spending $490 ($90 shipping) for 4 590SLI Crosshair motherboards. Thats a steal.

http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=149&l3=618&l4=0&model=1283&modelmenu=1

[Boylston]

Sam-- A buddy of mine built a new system around a 590SLI Crossfire motherboard recently and she reports it's working out fine.

* * *

As far as the "Sam Hate" issue is concerned, I am a bit guilty of this from time to time. My thoughts are:

* Sam has chosen a multiboxing path that is very different from most of the community here. The vast majority of us don't understand why he's doing what he's doing, which has led to some harsh criticism.

* Sam has generally responded by ignoring the unconstructive feedback, but he's also ignored a fair amount of constructive feedback/advice as well. More than once, this has led to his painful public admissions of "oops, you told me so".

Personally, I view Sam as the multiboxing community's Don Quixote-- he's out there jousting with the 26-man multiboxing windmill at the moment. Does that mean that it's open season to abuse him on these forums, probably not. However, I think Sam should understand that he's probably always not going to get the rousing support from everyone given that he is embarking on a journey most do not identify with.

I have faith in him that he will eventually get all his 26 (why, Sam, why 26?!) guys to L80. Unfortunately, I think this will be a Pyrrhic victory for Sam-- he will have 26 L80s and then figure out that he is extremely limited in what he has accomplished (or will accomplish)-- other than making a big "I did it!" post here on d-b.com

[puppychow]

keep in mind northrend is a lot more taxing on resources than older areas -- my PC gets 60+ fps in org/shatt with 5 WoWs running, and gets 4-8 fps in dalaran with gfx turned all the way down.

and yeah, I'd suggest 5x intel quad core systems, they are the best bang for the buck for multiboxers right now. A asus or gigabyte motherboard is fine, whatever happens to be cheapest. You can build 5x 8gb, q9550 (or q6600) systems with 260+ video cards running Vista64 for around $1k each, and you will get 60 fps with 5 wows in most areas. Moving up to a Intel i7 is the fastest option, but it gives you a 30-40% improvement for a 70-100% price difference (wrt to motherboard and memory, the CPUs are priced the same).


And by the time Sam hits 80 we will all be 90 :)

[Sam DeathWalker]

I dont have wotlk yet (just BC) so Ill just deal with what Ill be doing for the next 3-6 months.

I probably go with a tyan server motherboard before a i7 system, given the cost isnt all that much more.

Things take time Im still still waiting on my accounts transfers to be done, since the rename.

[Youngceo]

I predict in a months time he will still be waiting on account transfers to be done - then he'll want to change their names again so he has another excuse for 3 months.

All this time you've been waiting for account transfers couldn't you have got your guys back to what, level 20 or whatever they were? lol honestly.

Stick to EQ

[Vicker]

Sam, do you have a wife?

[Sam DeathWalker]

No.

Well Blizzard finally got back to me, looks like they cant transfer again for 30 days, oh well kinda a mess but I have to deal with it for 30 days anyway I guess. Anyway logged in and binding everyone in Shatt now.

Got the motherboards from China and they should ship later today.

[RobinGBrown]

No.

Well Blizzard finally got back to me, looks like they cant transfer again for 30 days, oh well kinda a mess but I have to deal with it for 30 days anyway I guess. Anyway logged in and binding everyone in Shatt now.

Got the motherboards from China and they should ship later today.
Is everything you say a lie?

>they cant transfer again for 30 days

So are we to take that to mean that this is the SECOND time you're trying to transfer the same characters?

I'm calling you a liar and a blaggart - if you have genuine proof kindly post it here and I'll withdraw my accusation and apologise.

p.s. Hachoo - when someone seems to be puffing themselves up and lying to everyone around it's not rude to call their bluff or ask for some proof, but it is rude to call people asses.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Ya it is the 2nd time for the 8 guys I renamed, when they did the first transfer I wasnt clear enough that 8 guys were to go to different named accounts, as compared to stright accross. At any rate although everything is a mess right now, I can play I guess, and in 30 days Ill just transfer those 8.

I just wanted all my guys to be organized as a group per computer, and all the leaders to be the trade skill guys. Right now 5 guys arent getting RAF if I group by name/computer. But they get rested and I can find out who they raf with and group them, but its a mess over all right now. In 30 days Ill be golden.

Orignally I set it up so that each group was at the same postion but on 5 computers, but I figured that its better to loot if you have one guy from each group always visible, just in case the tag goes wrong. With FFA one computer should show the sparkels.

Yur calling me a braggart? Where did you get such shrewd powers of observation from?

Errr wait Im a "blaggart". Is that better or worse then being a "keyboard turner"?


Oh ya if I was going to lie you would think I would say something besides "Ok after 90 days of RAF I got to level 24!" ... I mean lol ...

Proof of what that I have 26 accounts?

Go to the armory and type in samdeathwk (aa,ab,ac,ad,ae,ba,bb,bc etc.). They is all shaman from ner'zhul. So the first is Samdeathwkaa. Leader is Samdeathwkzz (Pal).

[welwyn]

sam, just an idea, while you wait for the 30 days to be up why dont you use this time to 5 box a different team to 60 ( let me finish) get them proffs and then farm the gold you might need during your leveling time. that way when you are able to play all 26 at once you can do it without having to spend time leveling up proffessions as you wont be in dire need of gold just yet. then when your chars are level 60 (all 26 of them) you can go back and level the proffs that you want to without being stuck for gold.

only 5 box the second team for speed to level 60 (you can use these as bank chars later on once your main team of 26 is level 60+)

[Zub]

/popcorn

[Sam DeathWalker]

Im not waiting 30 days, Im playing. Logged in last night, things are a lot more complicated then I want but still Im not going to sit around anymore. Got like 16 bound in shatt before a computer went down (just going to swap in a 8600 video card for 9600 card, don't know why the 9600 dont like that motherboard).

Basically I have two setup, the sane one where every group is on a computer but like 5-8 guys not getting Raf, or the complicated one where everyone is on RaF but guys are on random computers and I can't find anyone lol ...

Ill have a report on Keyclone idea in a few days.

[Talamarr]

Maybe you've already answered this Sam, but why the interest in trade skills? They shouldn't even be on the radar at this point.

In this game, it's almost always best to level first and do everything else after.

[Sam DeathWalker]

I have no gold for spells ......

6 million plat in EQ1 and 40 gold in WoW ....

[puppychow]

he needs that new level of frostband weapon and searing totem, its critical for leveling

it would be fun to start a pool on when you think Sam will hit level 80 on 26 different characters. I would bet Jan 2013, because in late 2012 I am pretty sure Blizzard is going to be releasing a new MMO. Thus once again proving the old saying, Sam conquers an MMO when no one is left playing.

[keyclone]

amazing amount of attacks from people that don't even attempt it

[Zub]

funny how prepared doesn't get this kind of attacks, even tho he's boxing 10-15 more toons.

ow yeah, i remember now. He didn't brag about it for 3 months prior to doing anything in wow at all. Including (but not exhaustive) saying he was the best boxer, the biggest boxer, and (ironic isn't it) the best equipped computer wise.
Mr Deathwalker did. Repeatedly.

/moar popcorn

[Sam DeathWalker]

Prepared dosn't really post all that much ...

I'm not claiming to be the best boxer in WoW at all, many many are ahead of me, Im like last right now.

In EQ I really don't see anyone who is claiming to actally be able to beat me. I mean if the New York Giants claim to be the best team in Football and then win the Superbowl, they don't a right to talk, or claim they are the best? If I'm not the top in EQ exactly who is?

I was the biggest boxer, prior to Prepared. I kinda still am though as I have 24 active EQ accounts and 26 active WoW accounts, thats 50 active accounts. Although I can only play 26 at one time, so if he is doing 30-40 at one time well guess I am 2nd.

I still claim the best hardware, surely I would not consider trading my set up for anyones.

The problem with these attacks in non bragging threads is that it derails the original post, as then I respond and a thread that at one time had no trash talk just gets a ton of it. As you can see I just respond to what others talk about (thats how forums work....). If people talk about bios and memory bandwidth then I respond with more talk about bios and memory bandwidth, if people talk about my posting style or claims I defend my posting style or claims.

I recall lots of flames at Prepared's first post about "who boxes the most characters" ... Thats just standard on any forums, new guy posts something contriversial and 20 people attack ... There is a lot less of that on this forum then any other thats for sure.

[Fuzzyboy]

amazing amount of attacks from people that don't even attempt itIn it's essence I think it's about frustration. Most of the people launching attacks probably wish they had the funds to 10/20/40-box, but don't. They're capable boxers without having the money to throw away. Sam is the opposite. While at some point he will likely become good, he's not right now and seems to ignore the advice he's getting. I think the closest analogy would be an out-of-work racing car driver watching a rich kid riding around in a Ferrari without having any control over the car, scratching it and driving into other cars. And ignoring the advice of the racing car driver :P

Personally I don't care - I think what Sam is doing is great if he has fun with it. Whether it's expensive is always relative to ones income and if he has a lot of money - good for him :-)

[Zub]

not sure why people always bring this down to money. I think this whole little sam asventure is just very funny and entertaining.
I tried helping Sam at the beginning, but he was not really looking for advice in the end, he was just asking questions he already had his (questionable) answers to, and spreading his leetness over the forums.
i even provided with a instant respawn area for leevl 62 grinding. But i guess it will be hotfixed before 2012.

It's getting so over the top it's just funny.
It's like your rich kid who's just been told to use the middle pedal to brake or the wheel to turn, and just ends up bying another ferrari after crashing in the wall again.

Can't wait for the power failure next week, and the new patch that will inevitably break all the addons again, and computer number #2 to show a bit more latency than the rest and needs rebuild, and the mouse batteries that die, and the cat the tips over a bottle on the main board, etc etc.
So much talk, so little action.
Thankfully we can alway see the EQ dataz to cover for the WoW ones, lol.

running out of popcorn here
/WTB [ Popcorn ]



As for a helping hand in this thread, lets come back on topic.
ow, Sam's already decided to replace his boards no matter what other people said. - Working as intended.
/thread

[Zub]

I still claim the best hardware, surely I would not consider trading my set up for anyones.

Got like 16 bound in shatt before a computer went down (just going to swap in a 8600 video card for 9600 card, don't know why the 9600 dont like that motherboard).

As long as you're having fun Sam, it's all good :-)
I sure am.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Excuses are becoming less everyday though. Did an instance last night, didn't go well but Im getting the idea of whats going on. Computer didnt fail so ...

Now how does this work. In a 10-man do you have to be in raid to enter? And then are you able to drop raid and be in 2 groups (for better exp) or are you stuck in raid? Or can you just enter with 2 groups (but then how do you know they go to the same instance?

Keep in mind that I view Prepard as my main competition. Lets say he can do 39, then I am competing (well would really call it competition right now as Im being blown away) against his best 39. In the last 30 days how much stonger has his best 39 become? I don't see you guys jumping on him for "lack of progress".

Keyclone idea is going to be very difficult, my guys way undergeared and going to get hammered by exp mobs before their 5 totems go off. Of course he did suggest a tank in each group. And also 5 totems arn't going to do in the mobs instantly, maybe need 3 casts and dosnt look like all will hold up. Still there is a lot to be said, maybe take in 5, park 4 at zone in, have pally round up 30 mobs pull to zone in, concecrate, kill mobs, leave instance, bring in anouther crew, and take advantage of the "instant respawn" of the instance. Not sure if the pally would be locked out if the other 4 arn't. Still Im moving up to the next dungen and seeing how I do against exp mobs today. Or I need to get some decent gear instead of utter junk.

Ya well good suggestion as to the instant spawn spot, thats the kind of helpfull infos I need.

[Zub]

any group with more than 5 people is a raid.
To create a raid, you first create a group, then go to your raid panel (social) and click convert to raid.

You can convert to raid at any time, but cannot convert back to a party. You need to disband the group and reinvite people (even if there are only 5 people in the raid)
Unless they are speciffically tagged as 'raid instances' (usually level 60 or more) you will be able to enter the instance as a party and create the raid inside when more people join.
Once the leader of the raid enter the instance, other members of the raid/group automatically get into his instance when they go through the portal (unless they are already saved to that instance - again this is only for 'raid' instances and daily heroics)
this is my understanding anyway

If a toon happens to be in a separate instance (for example was already in the instance when he got invited to the group/raid), just zone him out and back in.

[RobinGBrown]

Yur calling me a braggart? Where did you get such shrewd powers of observation from?

Errr wait Im a "blaggart". Is that better or worse then being a "keyboard turner"?



I meant to type braggart (a load arrogant boaster: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/braggart) but it must have been a Feudian slip that made me type blaggart (an empty, intrusively informal person: http://wordmint.blogspot.com/2006/07/blaggart.html) they're equivalent in many ways.

You provided more excuses: a pc broke down, Blizzard made a mistake transferring my characters(on an automated system no less), I'm waiting 30 days, etc, etc, etc...

/ignored

[Talamarr]

I have no gold for spells ......

6 million plat in EQ1 and 40 gold in WoW ....

If you are just looking to make some money, stick with gathering professions (herbalism, mining and skinning) and maybe enchanting so you can DE your greens and sell the mats.

All other trade skills are huge money sinks.

If you combine that with cloth sells you will get from instances, you should make a decent amount of gold.

[Multibocks]

Leave Britney... err Sam alone!!!!


Seriously. Learn from your mothers, "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."


I'm sure that will come back on me :D

[welwyn]

Leave Britney... err Sam alone!!!!


Seriously. Learn from your mothers, "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."


I'm sure that will come back on me :D


is it really that merry a christmas?

or is it more just a normal day where nothing you can ever do will ever be good enough? nothing is worth doing for anyone as all youll get is shit back in your face. no this xmas has been utter shite. people throwing fits for no reason, we now have 3 broken windows cause the foster brother broke up with his GF. cause she slept with his best mate. in front of him while he was plastering the inside of his nose with coke. yeah you get all the tacky shite presents as every other year, and everyone says merry christmas to each other with that air of " i wish i was doing something better today but its xmas so i am going to be nice"

dont get me wrong, i like it when the family comes round and we all get along, but xmas isnt that time ever. i'd rather be running heroics on my own than be downstairs smiling stupidly in mock joy and glee over a pair of socks. nothing wrong with socks tbh but why get those stupid frilly little wool things that shrink to 5 sizes to small every time you wash them?

all in all merry christmas? i couldnt give a toss about it tbh.

I don't think I have ever read anything happy from you... maybe it's time to see a shrink? Although maybe being british has something to do with it? ?(

nothing in your post helpful or nice said.. maybe you should have said nothing at all?

[Sam DeathWalker]

Actually in this thread I was hopeing for advise on which am2 motherboard chipset has the best memory bandwidth but that didnt happen.

Im not doing 26 cause prepared is doing 30 plus, like I showed I had plans for 26 before anyone had heard of Prepared.

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/retard-rickshaw/35500-deathwalker-plans-26-boxing-wow.html

Thats dated 7-29-08, does anyone have anything about Prepared prior to that date?

I did 24 in EQ so I do 26 here, why not?

I really really think its a bit of a stretch to extrapolate from the fact I died clearing trash 4 times and won on the 5th that Ill never be able to do anything in this game .... but nice try.

Well professions are in the game and a lot of players do them. I spend most of today so far on professions, going to gear up a crew of 5 shaman so I can take in 4 and my pally and once they are in green and blues see how that changes things .... Made some nice blue gloves and some neck that reduces mellee hits by 2, that not sound like a lot but I bet it adds up.

Also how many people aoe with Shaman at level 22 or so? ...

[Sam DeathWalker]

We been through the "don't do professions" and "do only quests" matters and there is little logic in going over them for the 100th time.

If you have nothing to say about building computers, and appaently you don't, in a thread about building computers then why do you post?


Anyway my motherboards are on the way and I hope to have 30fps in Org during prime time!

[Sam DeathWalker]

And yet with a mere 270 posts at FoH i have the 3rd Highest Reputation (internets) of ALL posters at FoH, thats like 3rd out of 100,000 or so ....

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/members/list/?order=DESC&sort=reputation&pp=30

Ya there was problems with the first RAF, I dont dispute it. Nonetheless slow but sure wins the race.

[Zub]

good to see you're doing your research about Sam.
He is indeed currently failing at wow, big time. But he's trying.
And i think he doesn't give a frack about what people think about him, so you can keep on bashing him and look like an ass yourself, or ignore his threads :-)

I've changed my opinion on this whole sam-deathwalker-i'm-the-king thing, i'm now trying to offer real efficient advice in all his threads to try and get some results out of him.
After all, it would be awesome to see more action x 26 (or 36), and i guess that's what a community is for. Help.
Pity we don get more stuff from Prepared atm, but i guess he's busy finishing off his Raf and levelling.

Go go sam, you have a long way to go, but you're starting on instances so i'm pretty sure you'll start levelling up quicker from now on.

Unfortunately i have no idea how video cards/motherboards work so i'll stick to other threads.

[matexoza]

Hey Sam,

Sucks that you have to buy new mobos. Did you look at / consider getting an i7 setup for all (5?) of your machines instead?

Cheers!

use the i7 like the first guy said im using it with a 5box imo i could have looket for a hell of alot longer and not have goten a better 1

[Los]

All i can say is, why amd? had c2d really missed the boat vs amd by now?

[Sam DeathWalker]

I'v personally had good luck with AMD, and if you don't support amd then you might only have a single company to buy chips from in the future. But that being said you will not go wrong with the i7, which I am sure is surely better then what I have.

But i think for the price/performance mine is superior.



Intel Core i7 965 Extreme

3.20 GHz, DDR3-1333 (Bloomfield)
15364 Intel Core i7 940

2.93 GHz, DDR3-1066 (Bloomfield)
12839

Intel Core i7 920

2.66 GHz, DDR3-1066 (Bloomfield)


11479

AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ Black
3.20 GHz, DDR2-800 (Windsor)
9401


AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+

3.00 GHz, DDR2-800 (Windsor)
8904 AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600+

2.80 GHz, DDR2-800 (Windsor)
8777 AMD Athlon 64 X2 5400+ Black




Intel Core i7 920
2.66 GHz, DDR3-1066 (Bloomfield)
11479

AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ Black
3.20 GHz, DDR2-800 (Windsor)
9401


Not much difference in performance between these two but big difference in price .... Well 20 percent better performance for I7. the 920 I7 is $272 and the 6400 AMD is about $110

[puppychow]

I used to be a hardcore AMD fan but current core2duo/quadcore is superior to AMD equivalents, and i7 blows them all away.

I doubt anyone else is going to go beyond 10 boxing (doesnt make much sense in WOTLK really) but if anyone else is, the best bang/buck setup atm is 2-4 PCs, each a quad core (q9550 or q6600 OCd, deps on your budget) and each running 3 copies of WoW -- in a month or so the nvidia 260+s or 280s are going to drop to CRAZY prices as the new cards come out too. imo a AMD setup like Sam's is not going to be fun when running more than 1 wow in Wintergrasp/Dalaran, but it doesn't really matter since by the time he gets there it will be deserted and fast FPS.

In 6-8 months the i7's are going to reach $$ levels where they will be the new multiboxers platform of choice, but right now the motherboards and DDR3 memory are x2-x3 pricier than quadcore alternatives, for just a 30-50% performance boost. if money is no object then of course the top of the line i7 + 24GB of memory + Vista64 + the new upcoming quadSLI Nvidia card + Intel SSD will run 5-10 WoWs at 60fps with full graphics cranked on.

I kind of view Sam as the George Costanza of MMOs, you pretty much wanna do the exact opposite of anything he does. Kind of makes me feel bad that he is using a pally tank and shamans though, it probably means ele shamans will not receive too much love beyond patch 3.08 :(

Oh, two problems you are going to run into when 5 boxing 5 instances: (1) SFK is designed for level 13-21, beyond that the XP/hour is not great. Past level 25 its horrible, I think at 27 or so you will get 0 xp. Same issues with SM, you can zone in at 25, past 37 the XP is not that great. But 5 con-level characters will wipe a lot. (2) Most of the instances have runner mobs, it will screw up 5-5ing when each instance has mobs running in different ways and possibly aggroing new packs if not handled asap. I'm not concerned though, you killed the first trash pack in SFK after a lot of wipes so therefore you must have mastered it already.

[Oswyn]

If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.

[oMek]

im not sure where you are getting those numbers sam but AMD cpus are garbage atm, they are good for the simple internet user ect.. but they suck for games, nevermind 5x boxin on one computer. infact 99% of the review sites dont even add AMD cpus to the test vs intel anymore because they just get killed so bad.

and im not being a fanboy, i have a ati/amd video card and i love it. but they just arnt upto par with intel atm. buy yourself some cheap used q9550s and some low end p45 boards and overclock them to 3.5-4ghz each. they dont have the ondie memory controler like amd does but they still should put up even numbers in that area.

if you really really want a ondie memory control and a smokein fast chip get some i7920s and OC them to 4ghz. should last you a few years. or atleast till all 26 of your toons are 80 :P

[Sam DeathWalker]

I get the figures from here:

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q3-2008/Everest-Read,808.html

Tomshardware and

http://www.anandtech.com/

Are ususally fairly reliable I thihnk.

[Shaitan256]

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q3-2008/Unreal-Tournament-3-1680x1050,819.html

here is Intel a lot of better, my 5400+ BE is in your 6th or 8th or something here is it less, I guess this everest , what ever it is, maybe I'm just too tired now isn't maybe it isn't concipated (om... I hope this word exists and is what I meant to say) for More than 2 Cores and the I7 is just so damn powerfull that it rocks either it's made for more than 2 Cores or not.

Ok my does still get 80 fps but I guess for Power Intel kicks ass, Even if I always was a AMD fanboy, AMD was gaming CPU years ago but I guess they have to redesign their concept. (for Multiboxing purpose intel is ruling)

I don't know now what to do, get a Quadcore Intel (Q6600 or better) or get a X4 AMD Phenom, because I bought a Board that's AM2+able only because I thought AMD would make it, but for Multi boxing there's nothing that goes beyond Intels Quad (except i7 of course^^)

Guess that was totally crap, do what you want with this post ^^

It's not that I do not trust Tom's hardware, it's the opposite, but you can't just get your opinion on buying things if you just look in one corner of a room.

Btw I love what you're doing , If I had the money I would do it too *^^*

[Sam DeathWalker]

Ya thats the FPS charts and you would think that is the chart we should use. Because of that chart I put a 9550 on my main computer and moved the 6400 to my 2nd best computer.

I can say for 100 percent sure, my 6400 computer closes out FIVE instances of WoW way faster then my 9550 closes ONE instance. If you look at the FPS charts the 9550 is superior, BUT if you look at the memory bandwidth charts the 6400 is superior (and it measures superior on Sandra on my computers).

I have concluded that for multiboxing, and playing WOW (with a good video card) memory bandwidth speed is more important then number crunching speed. Given that the video calculation are done in the GPU the CPU dosnt really do a lot, it takes more time to get your textures and data from the ram to the processor and back to ram then it does to calculte that data when it gets there.

Might be true for Intel might not, I don't know.

Ya Intel I7 is no doubt superior and you will not go wrong with that choice.

But if you planing on 6 computers and need bang for the buck then AMD 6400 is the way to go.

I mean look at this chart the cheap lowly 4600 is FASTER at memory bandwidth then the top of the line 9950!:

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q3-2008/Everest-Read,808.html

Why? because the 9950 has a clock speed of 2.6G:

Frequency: AMD Phenom Processor Model X4 9950, 9350e, 9150e / 2.6GHz, 2.0GHz, 1.8GHz

And the 6400 has a clock speed of 3.2G!

[Shaitan256]

Now I see what this is ^^

So Quadcores do not really have a great advantage against 2Cores? if the 2 Cores have a enough GHz? hope I didn't mixed anything up^^

That means I do not have to upgrade my CPU in the next time 5400+ (black edition) @ 3,2 Ghz. But I can't imagine that 4 x 1,8 -2,6 is slower than 2 x 3,2.

Thx for that, know I'm a bit cleverer^^

[Sam DeathWalker]

This is just for memory bandwidth, not for actual computation after the data actually gets to the cores. 4 cores do more calculations and are faster then 2, BUT for our purposes moveing data around is more important as the GPU's are doing most of the work and the CPU's dont really have to do much number crunching. So for multiboxing higher clock rate is better, imho. In fact there is no doubt about it, like I say the computer which has the 6400 closes out FIVE instances of WoW before the 9550 computer closes out ONE instance.

[Tonuss]

AMD quads are priced pretty low these days. While I consider the Intel stuff to be better, if you are not buying the cutting edge I don't think it's that big an issue. And the price for an AMD quad + motherboard can be pretty good. I've run 4 x WoW on a 2.4GHz Core2Quad + 2GB memory with no problems (Radeon 4870, 800 x 600 and all details turned down). A 2.4-2.6GHz Phenom with a Radeon 4850 should do the job for 5 x WoW, shouldn't it?

As for Sam, this happens at pretty much every forum he goes to, so I just sort of tune out the extraneous stuff. If he is not going to listen to advice, well that is going to harm him or help him, and have no real effect on me. Prepared has his team at level 72(?) already. Sam is at 24-26. Whether or not he is king of the interwebz won't change that. Listening to good advice could change that, but you can only drag a Deathwalker to water, etc etc.