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Hachoo
09-08-2008, 03:19 PM
Hah...

Ok so I was questing in Zangarmarsh with my 5 shamans last night, and was running to the very northwest corner (ango'rosh grounds I think) to kill the 10 maulers + 10 souleaters + boss. Well just as I'm running across the giant mushroom bridge a 63 BE holy priest (Vineyard on Burning Legion Horde side if anyone cares) that asks to be invited to do the quest. Well, I tell him I already have 5 (politely) and he and I both keep running towards the mobs.

He runs up to a mauler to attack it, so I run past the mauler and run up to the 2 guards outside the boss' hut, and start a LB + CL combo on the guards. He sees me attack the guards and then runs directly into the hut, aggros the boss and says "Owned, learn not to multibox".

I'm like... "what? You're an ass".

So then I figure, how can I get revenge on this guy? Well, first thing is, I killed every single ogre on the entire hill before he even got done with the boss + resting. Then, as ogres start respawning, I kill them all again making sure to tap each mob hes about to fight with earth shock so he can't get any kills. He then runs back to the "boss" hut thinking he will keep me from killing the boss again but apparently earth shock is better than anything holy priests have because I easily tap the boss before he can, get the kill, kill all the respawning ogres again before he can tap any, and then call him a sucker and leave.

All of that could have just been avoided if he wasn't an ass...he was killing things so slowly if he had just let me have the boss it would have easily respawned way before he killed 20 of the other guys.

Anyone else have any funny stories about people on your own side being an ass and things you did to get back at them? I need some more devious ideas :D

Xyl41
09-08-2008, 04:36 PM
I'm sorry, but that was uncalled for. Even though he was being a jerk, there is no reason to resort to kill stealing via tapping while he attempts to pull mobs. When you resort to his childish behavior, you become no better than him. Also, if I remember correctly what you explained would be labeled under griefing (following and intentionally marking his mobs). Just please remember this the next time something such as this happens and take the high road.

kaputt
09-08-2008, 04:40 PM
I have a soft spot for those who level priests, paladins, shaman, or druids as a healing spec. If I had been in your shoes, I probably would've left one of my 5 behind for a few minutes to invite the holy priest and help them kill the mobs on that island. After all was said and done, it wouldn't have taken too much longer to do the quest over again for the 5th guy I had left behind.

I know it would've taken longer, but the "me first" attitude so many people have really gets old.

Sanctume
09-08-2008, 05:01 PM
I was hoping the story went like this: "The priest flew up and landed on my 5 shamans on the mushroom bridge, aoe feared, and then mind controlled each to jump off the world."

Chaosomega
09-08-2008, 05:15 PM
lOL, im not gonna be a hypocrite, ive done this, and i like your story.

Others will do the tisk tisk, shame on you, not i.

Lol i personally hate d-bags like that, i mean seriously whats the point of going up against a MB'er, your just gonna loose.

Heck if he wanted to be really polite you probably woulda killed the whole hill for him in 20 secs, if he thanked you. I know the personallity you have, i got it too.

And also, his foolish fault for leveling holy,
holy priests deserve to be in instances.
Shadow kills stuff.
Learn your class mechanics lol.
"Oh if i just spam holy fire and flash of light ill eventually kill him!"
Lul.

Mac
09-08-2008, 05:24 PM
Another reason to have pvp be pvp for everyone, all the time, everywhere.

Otlecs
09-08-2008, 05:31 PM
I'm sorry, but that was uncalled for. Even though he was being a jerk, there is no reason to resort to kill stealing via tapping while he attempts to pull mobs.
I disagree. In an environment where there's no opportunity for player justice in any other form, I'd say that was a fair response to provocation and I wouldn't hesitate to do the same.

mikekim
09-08-2008, 05:39 PM
each to their own I suppose.
I myself would have waited for the boss to respawn and just ignored him. if he was intent on camping the boss to stop me killing him, I would have done another quest and come back later to finish it off.

keyclone
09-08-2008, 05:48 PM
when the world is all pvp, everyone is very polite

(and yes, i miss the UO days where you could kill and loot bare anyone being a jerk)

:D

Memn
09-08-2008, 05:53 PM
I've been in situations like that many times, and I usually just find the biggest group of mobs clustered together I can find to feign like I am about to pull them and interrupt myself at the end... if he tries to "steal" this kill he'll be surprised to find he got all the aggro to himself... While he's busy with that, I finish myquest up and leave.

On the other hand, I frequently help people that are doing the same kill quests I am, I just tell them to mark what they need and I burn them down for a few kills, or I'll just shock their mob as they are fighting them as I run by... No reason to drop one of your 5...

Memn
09-08-2008, 05:56 PM
(and yes, i miss the UO days where you could kill and loot bare anyone being a jerk)

I miss those days too... The game is exciting when you know an evil player can appear at any moment and kill you in two casts... Kill, loot, stealth, kill, loot, stealth

Littleburst
09-08-2008, 06:12 PM
When someone reponds like that i would normally ignore them. Takes to much time. But if someone really puts effort in getting me annoyed i'll get him annoyed aswell. =] Examples can be read above.

If someone doesn't reply negative to me when i'm questing somewhere i will pretty much always invite them if it's a kill X quest. So he doesn't take "my mobs" and i don't take "his mobs" :) /care about the loot, that has never been an issue. But it's so annoying when you're with a few people all not grouped trying to get kills for something. And all killing mobs solo. When running past someone who's killing something i will throw a heal x 4 / shock x 4 if it finishes the mob and doesn't keep me in combat or something else annoying(combat = no mount). Spreading positive energy FTW! :D

I'm pretty sure that you can't get reported for this, since i reported a player a few weeks ago who did this to me, but the GM said there was nothing he could do. He actually told me to do the same back to him, or something similar. I was like: wtf? So that's why i'm sure that that was what the GM said.

Turenn
09-08-2008, 06:24 PM
Ahh, the good old stupid vs. stupid fights. Good times.

Fleecy
09-08-2008, 06:51 PM
I have from time to time reacted in the same way, I've also at times taken the extremely forgiving option and just ignored them and moved on. But if someone continues to tag / steal my mobs I'll either report them for harrasment (which usually results in nothing but a warning and not much else) or take the 'like begets like' option and in turn tag their mobs. Sometimes this can result in them pulling too many mobs and dying. Its at that point I've succeeded, /kiss /lol /bye

If they abuse / swear at me aftrer I engage in polite conversation then even better for the GM report.

Quix
09-08-2008, 07:52 PM
God I miss shadowbane everytime I run across an asshat like this.

Gank him, & loot his corpse bare, maybe he'd think twice next time.

Tasty
09-08-2008, 08:01 PM
Befriend a 70 priest of the opposite faction :)

Jaws5
09-08-2008, 08:02 PM
I have had 70s do this to me at 30 questing . some do not like boxers :)

I just moved and went back later

Gomotron
09-08-2008, 08:49 PM
when the world is all pvp, everyone is very polite

(and yes, i miss the UO days where you could kill and loot bare anyone being a jerk)

:DHaha I was a UO player back in the day, on Baja of all servers, notorious for such PK'ers as Ronald McDonald and Cichlid.

Getting owned by those 2 repeatedly is how I developed my distaste for all things PvP.

Savage
09-08-2008, 08:59 PM
I'm sorry, but that was uncalled for. Even though he was being a jerk, there is no reason to resort to kill stealing via tapping while he attempts to pull mobs.
I disagree. In an environment where there's no opportunity for player justice in any other form, I'd say that was a fair response to provocation and I wouldn't hesitate to do the same.I agree with you. If he wanted to be an ass, he should be able to take some punishment. I'm a very nice person, but when you do something intentionally to hurt me in some way, you cant expect to just not have something done to you. On that note, I approve of this thread.

Tsumi
09-08-2008, 09:01 PM
I usually run 4 shammy while questing and I have helped others that asked to join up until about a week ago. I had a guy join me for a quest and he looted the item (one drop per spawn) dropped group and sent me a tell saying, "sorry many but if you only had one less Shammy I wouldnt have had to do that". It was really no big deal, I had to wait 5 more minutes for the spawn and got the chain done long before he did.

I no longer invite people to my group or assist those that request help. And if someone ever did that to me I would definately go into "grind" mode and kill a few ogre for some exp. That is my story and I am sticking to it!

Gadzooks
09-08-2008, 09:01 PM
I was doing the Sekketh quests in Terrokar last night, and this BE rogue was questing in the same area. I was mowing through the mobs, making some pretty decent headway, and while I'm doing this, i keep seeing the rogue run past, with 4-5 mobs on his ass, and getting killed fast. I grin, think "L2Pull", and go about my business.

I go to the other camp to get the bird boss, and the rogue is there again. And again, he keeps running past with 3, 4, or more mobs in tow. Boom, he's down. Boom, he's down again. Wow, he's really stubborn.

Wait...

No. He's not.

Watch him some more. Yup, he's trying to drag the mobs on top of me. He runs right up to me with several birdmen in tow, and /spits at me.

The mobs kill him, run back. I/lol his corpse, and move on.

Kids these days...

keyclone
09-09-2008, 01:38 AM
God I miss shadowbane everytime I run across an asshat like this.don't get me wrong, i loved shadowbane. to this day, it still had the best end-game of any MMORPG i have played. 200v200 battles over who will own player generated content (towns) lasting 8+ hours?! show me another game doing that these days

but the only reason UO was the best was this... when you killed the guy, you'd get everything... his bag AND his gear. he'd come back in a diaper (or death shourd).. sometimes apologizing for being an ass, and start asking for his stuff back. (one guy was such an ass.. i just kept killing him. it looked like TM when horde/alliance would clash). and of course... once in a while... in his bag... you'd find... a house key (SCHWEEET!!!)

Tasty
09-09-2008, 01:49 AM
God I miss shadowbane everytime I run across an asshat like this.don't get me wrong, i loved shadowbane. to this day, it still had the best end-game of any MMORPG i have played. 200v200 battles over who will own player generated content (towns) lasting 8+ hours?! show me another game doing that these days

but the only reason UO was the best was this... when you killed the guy, you'd get everything... his bag AND his gear. he'd come back in a diaper (or death shourd).. sometimes apologizing for being an ass, and start asking for his stuff back. (one guy was such an ass.. i just kept killing him. it looked like TM when horde/alliance would clash). and of course... once in a while... in his bag... you'd find... a house key (SCHWEEET!!!)What about his ear? :P

x4rth
09-09-2008, 02:24 AM
I'm a very tranquil player normally, as a multi-boxer you get to deal with your
fair share of verbal abuse, which has never bothered me. I always help people
out if they ask politely (usually out of group). But if someone intentionally tries
to piss me off by stealing my kills/Q mobs, then I'll pay back with same coin.
Same goes for corpse-camping. I play on PVE-servers because that verbal abuse
I'm getting for multi-boxing, would be physical abuse if I'd play on a PVP-server,
no doubt ;)

If the guy stealing your kills is an AoE'ing class, you can just pull a good number
of mobs to him. Paladins, mages, warriors etc. If it doesn't work, fine, with 5
characters I'm pretty much immortal and I can just kill 'em myself.

Else you can just follow him and steal his kills in return, as OP mentioned.

Or you can log the other faction and keep attacking the quest NPC he's trying to
talk to, that works too.

Just don't keep it up for too long or they'll no doubt report you for harrassment;)

And keep in mind the time you invest in this, could be put to good use doing other stuff..

shaeman
09-09-2008, 03:13 AM
I view these occassions as a chance to educate.

I teach them that if you are an arse bad things will happen.

I've done this ever since my solo days. I won't start something, but if you start tagging my mobs I will return the favour.

My favourite was when I was farming motes of water in the lake outside shattrath. (I'm on a pve server so no pvp option).

This hunter is sending in his pet and firing a shot on any eel I'm swimming towards. 1st time Ithink Okay it's an accident, 2nd time I'm thinking I'll give the benefit of the doubt, third time It's time for payback.

I was on an affliction warlock - and had been farming very laid back, pulling one or two. when he started doing this I decided to ramp up my efforts, and just swam into large groups dotting the eels up. if you've ever done this on a lock you know you can pretty much sustain this farming as long as need be. The hunter might have stole a kill or two , but from that point on he was finding it difficult to find any eel, needless to say he left.

Jamien
09-09-2008, 03:25 AM
I had this when levelling my rogue. Was hell back then, because the only ranged attack I have is throw and that's got a cast time with a crappy range (compared to ranged classes spells).
The benefit of being a rogue however was the ability to pop up wherever attacking a mob instantly (<3 shadowstep grinding). Didn't get it enough to bother me.

I had a rather funny occurrence yesterday. Helping a friend and a non-boxer, who apparently hates boxers, runs upto the quest area (need to burn down a tent).
I'd just done it on my main, not realising that each character had to drop a flag so I ran to the bulwark and back. Wasn't too impressed seeing this mage and druid waiting for me to pull the mobs around the tent, but thought "Hey two hits and they're dead" so kill them and ran in, then immediately got abused by the mage (non-boxer) because I used my quest item which destroyed the tent.
Proceeded to get abused for apparently doing a quest.
Normally I don't report it, but I'm kinda sick of the abuse I receive for no real reason. When confronting one guy I just got silence as an answer, really explanatory silence tho!


Had a fair share of nice people tho. A lot ask if they can join so they can quest, without realising theres 5 of me. So I do my little spread out macro and they normally say "oh .. heh 5"
One guy was killing the same mobs as me, so I left half for him knowing that I'd have to come back the same way to get out and could finish the quest by clearing out. Ended up spending about an hour helping him with quests, with him waitin around with me for respawns so I could finish too :D Gotta love it :love:

keyclone
09-09-2008, 03:33 AM
What about his ear? :Pear? nah... i usually went for the whole head

http://solidice.com/games/lord_grey_knight_032000a.jpg

http://solidice.com/games/tantus_guildmaster_r-e_joxer_avenge_032500a.jpg

Yamio
09-09-2008, 03:47 AM
ear? nah... i usually went for the whole head
LOL

Otlecs
09-09-2008, 03:47 AM
YOU BUILT A HOUSE ON MY FAVOURITE PICNIC SPOT KEYCLONE!!!! http://www.thefinalfantasy.com/forums/images/smilies/boxing_smiley.gif

The most romantic spot in Britannia (the reasons for which won't be obvious to all).

Shame I don't have my screenshots on any of the machines here - we could start a memory-lane thread :)

</derail>

Skuggomann
09-09-2008, 04:16 AM
I'm sorry, but that was uncalled for.
I dislike you.

Ken
09-09-2008, 04:38 AM
I'm sorry, but that was uncalled for. Even though he was being a jerk, there is no reason to resort to kill stealing via tapping while he attempts to pull mobs. When you resort to his childish behavior, you become no better than him. Also, if I remember correctly what you explained would be labeled under griefing (following and intentionally marking his mobs). Just please remember this the next time something such as this happens and take the high road.

I disagree. He started to steal mobs from the topic starter ... when the TS can aggro and kill 10mobs or more on his own then he has every right to do so, especially when his quest asks him too.
The only thing that would be morally wrong in my opinion is tagging a mob *only* to prevent the other player to be able to loot them or finish their quest.

When I'm farming primals in Nagrand I killsteal too. Not because I want to annoy the other players, but because I want those materials and I am way faster at killing them than the solo players. At such point it's a racing match for primals. For the other faction this usually means death of course.

The whole thing is not abut griefing but about being able to reach your goals (materials/quests/etc.).

Coltimar
09-09-2008, 09:21 AM
It's personal preference, I suppose. I tend to take the high road and it usually nets me better results. Generally if I retaliate I just confirm peoples feelings that multiboxers are cheaters and dickheads. When I ignore the behavior or respond in kindness the person usually will just go away and have occasionally apologized after a they think about it a bit.

I have 3 boys of my own, a 4th on the way in November, so I am well versed in this behavior. Immature people do crap like what this guy did to the OP to illicit a reaction and when they get it they are satisfied, for a time. But the next multiboxer they encounter they will act the same way to that person.

Crushing someone like a worm for being a prick is certainly within our grasp but I get more satisfaction from the possibility that I leave each player I encounter with the impression that multiboxers are in fact a different breed, but in a good way :D

Hachoo
09-09-2008, 09:24 AM
LOL @ the people chastising me for punishing the player by doing the same thing to him that he did to me... I don't get it but I suppose you're entitled to your opinion...

I am a VERY nice multiboxer in game. When I'm passing people in the wild, I will always heal them or 5x earth shock their mob to kill the mob for them, I never kill opposing faction if they're grey, and I never camp someone from the opposing faction unless they've already camped me. If people on my own faction whisper me or call me a loser or retard or fag or whatever, I just don't respond at all, or immediately /ignore, and I always answer intelligent questions with polite answers when people ask about how I'm multiboxing, etc.

In fact, I wouldn't have done anything to this guy at all if he just ran in and stole the mob, but the fact that he then proceeded to rub it in my face and insult me by saying "Owned" and then "learn not to multibox", and then after I called him an ass he said "LOL you pay for 5 accounts, loser", really pissed me off.

As far as wasting my time to "kill steal" his mobs, it wasn't really a waste of time at all since I needed 10 of each mob anyway, which was basically 1.5 spawns of the entire area, and then the extra 1.5 spawns I killed still dropped plenty of silver, runecloth, and netherweave, and I even got 2 green items to DE. He needed to learn a lesson and hopefully he did.

I agree with those people talking about UO and being able to kill ANYONE that is an ass...if you could kill someone on your own faction I guarantee a lot of the rudeness would go away. I played UO for a long time back when it first came out - GREAT game.

Anyway, the thread is supposed to be about ideas to get back at your own faction for being an ass to you, not to chastise me for taking an appropriate action against someone that started the entire thing by being an ass to me and then rubbing it in my face. Tagging his mobs wasn't really JUST for the benefit of hurting him, I needed the mob kills also, it just served a dual purpose by preventing him from killing anything as well. Serves him right.

sparvath
09-09-2008, 09:57 AM
I dont see the problem really. All can receive what they dish out.

If someone is being a jerk its ok to educate them a bit. Also by killstealing.

Eteocles
09-09-2008, 01:16 PM
That priest should be damned thankful you couldn't kill him. He was an asshole first and got just what he deserved. Bravo and right on, OP :P

Noids99
09-09-2008, 01:22 PM
Loving the UO reminiscing. Oh how I grew to hate those two dreade words "Corp Por".

As fun as PKing and corpse looting was though, my favourite times in UO were pick-pocketing. Hanging around the real estate vendor and stealing that freshly purchased castle deed was the ultimate :D



Oh and to the OP, I think your actions were justifiable.

blast3r
09-09-2008, 01:31 PM
It would have been much more fun if you had a warlock that could have feared the mobs he tagged into other mobs. Creating a very exciting situation for him. :)

Ughmahedhurtz
09-09-2008, 01:37 PM
It would have been much more fun if you had a warlock that could have feared the mobs he tagged into other mobs. Creating a very exciting situation for him. :)Meh. He's a holy priest. Holy priests can run away from just about anything and live.

Spook
09-09-2008, 03:23 PM
I had a warrior tagging my potential kills last night, but I managed to get a few of them (the mobs were about three levels above my RAF group of paly tank, priest healer, mage, and two warlocks, but about five levels below his level, PVE server).

Then he piled into a group of five (two casters, three melee0, trying to keep me from getting them. I just pulled back and watched them kill him. After he died, and the three remaining mobs reset, I killed the mobs, and then rezzed the warrior, fully healed him, and buffed him up. Must have really pained him to accept the rezz. LOL

He thanked me, and left me alone after that, but I'll bet he is rethinking his "bad boxer" position. 8o

Rin
09-09-2008, 03:37 PM
Haha Vineyard...

I've ran into that tool before too :)

zanthor
09-09-2008, 06:02 PM
(and yes, i miss the UO days where you could kill and loot bare anyone being a jerk)

I miss those days too... The game is exciting when you know an evil player can appear at any moment and kill you in two casts... Kill, loot, stealth, kill, loot, stealthThe t hing I do not miss about those days is the constant stress that playing the game could be when you had valuables exposed. The moments between pulling your house keys off the vendor and opening your house... Etc..

On the other hand, I had great joy in dressing my GM Stealth, Fencer, Archer, Poisoner, PP, Snoop as a noobie and absolutely raping the PK's who were dumb enough to engage me in conversation before killing me... I found the dumber you sounded, the more likely they were to verbally fuck with you before trying to Corp Por you out of existance... of course by then I'd have stolen their black pearl, mandrake root, arrows, any weapons smaller than a halbred, etc...

I was a sporting chap though, I had a vendor up the road from my favorite hunting grounds, I'd put their gear back on it for sale @ 10,000G per bag (I'd bag all their crap into 1 sack). Quite a cheap deal if they are quick.

moji
09-09-2008, 07:19 PM
It would have been much more fun if you had a warlock that could have feared the mobs he tagged into other mobs. Creating a very exciting situation for him. :)Meh. He's a holy priest. Holy priests can run away from just about anything and live.I'd put that one to the test