Who's the 30 boxer? :)

[Ellay]

That's pretty sexy, nice job whoever did that :)


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[Xzin]

Sam? He was going to do his 27 boxing. Why 27? No idea. But impressive even if a level 20 mage could kill them all with a single AoE :)

[Zub]

geebus! looks like alot of work.
I can't imagine turning in quests.

Will he do the Consumed by Hatred quest? after all it's only 60 x32 = 1920 Bristleback Quilboar Tusks.. (granted the mobs sometimes drop 2 :-) )

[Zub]

Sam? He was going to do his 27 boxing. Why 27? No idea. But impressive even if a level 20 mage could kill them all with a single AoE :)

Could well be, seems a shamy has a paly aura, and i believe Sam was going for 1 paly + rest shams
Although i think he wanted taurens shams, and a total of 25+1, not 32+n.

What server was this on?

[OzPhoenix]

Sheshh - 5 boxing and feeling inadequate now...lol. I'll have to go for 10-boxing soon.

[Zub]

Could well be, seems a shamy has a paly aura, and i believe Sam was going for 1 paly + rest shams
Although i think he wanted taurens shams, and a total of 25+1, not 32+n.

What server was this on?

Seems it's 'only' 32 in the end: http://www.wowarmory.com/guild-info.xml?r=Aegwynn&n=We+Are+Prepared&p=1
on Aegwynn

my advice if you get to face them: /tar preparED
not that you'll get close enough i guess.

[Souca]

Must... resist... urge... to buy more copies of WoW. Somehow 10 boxing Kara doesn't seem like a worthy goal anymore.

It must suck to get all the new flight points.

- Souca -

[Naysayer]

Sweet.

[Otlecs]

That's pretty cool.

Seems like we have a clear winner in the "who plays the most characters simultaneously" stakes :)

I'd love to find out why they're doing it and what they actually do with such a large number of characters.

[Diamndzngunz]

Im sorry but I love wow but not enough to pay 450 a month for it.

[merujo]

oooo my....fffffff goddddddddddddd!

llolololol

thats too much!!!

[David]

You can`t do quests as a raid so I think it will be waaaay to much work to level these up haha.

[Zaelar]

This guy has too much time on his hands. Someone should introduce him to wow.

[David]

http://www.wowarmory.com/guild-info.xml?r=Aegwynn&n=We+Are+Prepared&p=1

32boxing actually

[JoeWunsch]

talk about overkill.

Personally I would have went with all holy priests and aoe'd with holy nova, maybe mix in a few mages with arcane explosion.

Then I would spend my days in AV turtling making alliance cry massive tears.

Also since I am just wanting random things, I would have 40 so I can be the entire av raid.

[Carnage]

What are blizzard going to say? Theres constantly people saying that there fps is terrible in citys, now when ever the 32 boxer is in a city they are going to drop to 1fps - 32 spells at once, over 100 totems, 32 mini-pets and if you make it to 60 over 100 barov peasants :P

[JoeWunsch]

What are blizzard going to say? Theres constantly people saying that there fps is terrible in citys, now when ever the 32 boxer is in a city they are going to drop to 1fps - 32 spells at once, over 100 totems, 32 mini-pets and if you make it to 60 over 100 barov peasants :PYeah its really insane when you think about it, he could really fill a screen.

[Benhime]

Cant imagine how painful naming them would have been.

[Otlecs]

I find it genuinely amusing that people are criticising this. I guess everybody has their idea of what represents a reasonable number of concurrent characters.

For some it's five. For some it's ten. For some it's... erm... 32.

And for yet others it's ONE.


Cant imagine how painful naming them would have been.
God, I hadn't even thought of that. It takes me an entire evening to get five names I can live with :)

[SilverSlice]

i pitty the enemy this guy will face in av, i can only wonder how many will go /afk just to avoid facing him

and sweeet way cool :) hope he got some raf going for the leveling prosess otherwise this will be painfully hard to get to 70

Silver

[Frosty]

The one thing that keeps me from going higher than 5-boxing....trade skills.
I just can't stop it. :S

I've wasted hours and hours multi-boxing trade skills....sigh

[Babbaganoosh]

http://www.wowarmory.com/guild-info.xml?r=Aegwynn&n=We+Are+Prepared&p=1

32boxing actuallyI wonder what it is with the last two slaves he has... they aren't allowed to be officers =(

[Kelevra]

damn
the waterquest must be pain in the ass :D

[Naysayer]

Sam is gonna be pissed.

[sikerdebaard]

Respect man! Like totally awesome.

[David]

Getting to 70 will be the biggest pain in the ass. Beeing 70 would be sweet. lol.

32 shammies rushing to av bossies and pew pew win

[Korruptor]

Wicked sweet!!

But not for me :) I'm happy with my quint-boxing.

This person doesn't enter a zone, he IS the zone!

[genocyde]

Is it chuck norris? :D

[Sanctume]

32 x Classic Box at $19.99 ~ $640l; with Battlechest at $29.99 ~ $960.
32 x Monthly @ 14.99 ~ $315 / month
If 16 RAFs 16, then he saves $240 on the 2nd month.

32 makes sense if, there's a 33rd Friend that is a 70 Prot Paladin that can power level 4 RAFs at a time.

[Drizzit]

How many shams do you need to 1 shot an alliance toon? Bringing all 32 to a av might hurt it and the alliance will win. But if you only brought enough if anyone did challenge you, you could wipe them out. i'm undergeard and can easy 3 shoot a mage/lock with 4 shams. So would 20 be a good number to bring to av? How fast can people kill people in season 2 and 3 gear?

What would be funny if they where all lock. They could raid a town, like a suicide bombing, run in there and throw 64 dots on 1 person (2 x 2 dots then switch). That or do a ah run when everyone is in there during peak time and just seed x 32... lol would the guards even survive 32 seeds

[-silencer-]

32 x Monthly @ 14.99 ~ $315 / month
Math from your planet follows different laws than mine.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

IQD dailies will be untenable for alliance when that guy hits 70. Holy shit that's cool. :D

[Korruptor]

IQD dailies will be untenable for alliance when that guy hits 70. Holy shit that's cool. :DLOL, he's the real burning legion.

[Naysayer]

IQD dailies will be untenable for alliance when that guy hits 70. Holy shit that's cool. :DLOL, he's the real burning legion.rofl

[Aethon]

32 x Monthly @ 14.99 ~ $315 / month
Math from your planet follows different laws than mine.Agreed. Can I buy some things from you? Like $100? I'll give you $65 for it.

[Skuggomann]

Thats fucked upp in the head! XD

[Naysayer]

You know whats really sad?

5x Mage team
Invisibility + Blink (maybe even just blink)

Arcane Explosion Spam = 30+ dead Shaman32 fire nova totems > 5 AE mages

32 NS+chainheal > 5 AE mages

32 NS+chainlightning > 5 AE mages

[Naysayer]

You know whats really sad?

5x Mage team
Invisibility + Blink (maybe even just blink)

Arcane Explosion Spam = 30+ dead Shaman32 fire nova totems > 5 AE mages

32 NS+chainheal > 5 AE mages

32 NS+chainlightning > 5 AE mages

My Shaman in Heroic gear (i'm not a PvPer) have about 7500/8000 HP. There is a 3-boxer mage on my server, horde side. He kills me all the time. 2 - 3 Arcane Explosions and my Shaman are dead. Even with Magma totem ticks, I'm sure you could get off 2 blasts, and with 5 mages, that would be enough to kill the Shaman.ouch

[Lorune]

You know whats really sad?

5x Mage team
Invisibility + Blink (maybe even just blink)

Arcane Explosion Spam = 30+ dead Shaman32 fire nova totems > 5 AE mages

32 NS+chainheal > 5 AE mages

32 NS+chainlightning > 5 AE magesMy Shaman in Heroic gear (i'm not a PvPer) have about 7500/8000 HP. There is a 3-boxer mage on my server, horde side. He kills me all the time. 2 - 3 Arcane Explosions and my Shaman are dead. Even with Magma totem ticks, I'm sure you could get off 2 blasts, and with 5 mages, that would be enough to kill the Shaman.You guys forget 1 thing. They nerfed Arcane explosion so the more targets it has the less dmg it does. a normal AoE max rank with like 1000 spell dmg is 800 dmg. When pulling 32 mobs/players its only like 300 dmg left per shot. Even with 5 mages its only 1500 per GCD tick, in that time he could have NS CS him 32 times already :)

[zanthor]

My Shaman in Heroic gear (i'm not a PvPer) have about 7500/8000 HP. There is a 3-boxer mage on my server, horde side. He kills me all the time. 2 - 3 Arcane Explosions and my Shaman are dead. Even with Magma totem ticks, I'm sure you could get off 2 blasts, and with 5 mages, that would be enough to kill the Shaman.

Lets bump that up, lets say you have 10K HP cuz you are uber geared... Lets say that the mages are still uber geared enough to kill you in 3 AE's... thats 3300dmg per explosion... which will carry on that way up to 8 targets... and once spread out between the 32 targets thats under 1k dmg each... which means they'd have to survive for a lot longer...

[zanthor]

You guys forget 1 thing. They nerfed Arcane explosion so the more targets it has the less dmg it does. a normal AoE max rank with like 1000 spell dmg is 800 dmg. When pulling 32 mobs/players its only like 300 dmg left per shot. Even with 5 mages its only 1500 per GCD tick, in that time he could have NS CS him 32 times already

DOH! Beat me by 1 minute...

[Vyndree]

32 fire nova totems > 5 AE mages

32 NS+chainheal > 5 AE mages

32 NS+chainlightning > 5 AE mages

From personal experience working with (as the healer in 5's) and fighting against a 4x mage boxer.... Fire is much better against other multiboxers.

He iceblocks the nova, which you won't get to lay until after you've gone through a blastwave. After the blastwave there will be a frost nova rotation along with AE spam, which makes turning in any direction difficult.

You may get to shock one, if you're lucky, but half of your team will probably be facing the wrong direction.



Once they're IN aoe range, you're toast. The trick is not LETTING them get in range.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well that sux ... I get beat before I even start.... Ya I am pissed for sure, but we will see. I am very leary of people who don't post on ANY forum. There is to little infos to determine much at this point.

I had some RL work to do this week, paid for my 27 accounts and ready to set things up this week. Im only running 26 though as the 27th is just for the mount.

Well lets see if he's on for the long term ... He dosn't really have to pay anything untill the free week and month or whatever expires, then the bill comes in lol. I got 6 months on all 26 at 12.99 a month.

I assume he has 8 computers humm ...

32 Orc Shaman ... well Im still going 25 T Shaman (how could he not want war stomp?) and one BE Prot Pally. It tells you a bit about his set up that he dosn't feel he can micro manage one tank.

[Naysayer]

32 fire nova totems > 5 AE mages

32 NS+chainheal > 5 AE mages

32 NS+chainlightning > 5 AE mages

From personal experience working with (as the healer in 5's) and fighting against a 4x mage boxer.... Fire is much better against other multiboxers.

He iceblocks the nova, which you won't get to lay until after you've gone through a blastwave. After the blastwave there will be a frost nova rotation along with AE spam, which makes turning in any direction difficult.

You may get to shock one, if you're lucky, but half of your team will probably be facing the wrong direction.



Once they're IN aoe range, you're toast. The trick is not LETTING them get in range.I usually just keyboard turn on mages that nova my whole team trying to run behind me and they take my shocks to the face.

[Naysayer]

Well that sux ... I get beat before I even start....

I had some RL work to do this week, paid for my 27 accounts and ready to set things up this week. Im only running 26 though as the 27th is just for the mount.

Well lets see if he's on for the long term ... He dosn't really have to pay anything untill the free week and month or whatever expires, then the bill comes in lol. I got 6 months on all 26 at 12.99 a month.

I assume he has 8 computers humm ...

32 Orc Shaman ... well Im still going 25 T Shaman (how could he not want war stomp?) and one BE Prot Pally. It tells you a bit about his set up that he dosn't feel he can micro manage one tank.Your only option left is to roll on his server and have a raid vs raid multiboxer war.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Im not changing plans, he's horde anyway. Ill be on Nerzul. Is he using Keyclone, if so keyclone should know who he is, if he is someone known. If hes not then well ...

Im doing 27 cause I will be actually doing 26 and need 27 for mounts for all. Im doing 26 cause I have 6 computers. 5 will run 5 shamans each at low resolution and 1 will run the leader Prot Pal at full super all resolution. If I didnt have 6 computers I might have done a different number.

[Wilbur]

Why would keyclone know who he is?

I fail to see your logic.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Because the number of people who bought 6 copies of keyclone is vanishingly small? http://www.l00py.net/phpbb/images/smiles/bonk.gif

[Sam DeathWalker]

He has to register a large number of copies, and pay for them, surely there must have been some conversation between them. I would think he running 8 computers - don't you think? I dont belive that anyone has run 8 instances of wow on a single computer yet (if he had 4 computers only), so from 32 accounts I assume he has 8 computers. Again this is just a ton of speculation, I am far far from convinced that we have a ligit 32 boxer, but who knows, its not impossible thats for sure, maybe its the 23/23 guy finally upgrading who knows.

Well he does post:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7719766434&postId=76669549437&sid=1#0

[Darcla]

Why would keyclone know who he is?

I fail to see your logic.

having a bad day wilbur? Been locking posts left and right and lots of negativity! just remember... woooozaaaaa... woooozaaaa

[Naysayer]

All I know is don't piss him off in game or you're going to get reported 32 times, and I'm pretty sure that's enough for a ban.

[krinkle]

This is pure win. I wonder if he will stick with it though?

[Drizzit]

All I know is don't piss him off in game or you're going to get reported 32 times, and I'm pretty sure that's enough for a ban.I bet there is not spawn when he enters town... lol

He could be a bully, give me 20g or i'll report you 32 times and get you a 24 hour band 8)

[zanthor]

He has to register a large number of copies, and pay for them, surely there must have been some conversation between them. I would think he running 8 computers - don't you think? I dont belive that anyone has run 8 instances of wow on a single computer yet (if he had 4 computers only), so from 32 accounts I assume he has 8 computers. Again this is just a ton of speculation, I am far far from convinced that we have a ligit 32 boxer, but who knows, its not impossible thats for sure, maybe its the 23/23 guy finally upgrading who knows.

Well he does post:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7719766434&postId=76669549437&sid=1#0

I run 5 on my Phenom, without problem... I could see someone going higher if they had themselves a nice dual processor quad core box with a good graphics card, 8+gb of ram and a 64 bit OS I don't see why you couldn't do 10 per system.

He doesn't need KeyClone, while it's by far the easiest to setup, a single class config takes very few unique keys and could be done quite easily with other tools.

[Suvega]

You know whats really sad?

5x Mage team
Invisibility + Blink (maybe even just blink)

Arcane Explosion Spam = 30+ dead Shaman32 fire nova totems > 5 AE mages

32 NS+chainheal > 5 AE mages

32 NS+chainlightning > 5 AE mages

Thats why I roll 4 mages and a CoH priest.
Once you get on top the onlything you have to out heal is the firenovas.
its almost impossible for them to actualyl face me when I'm jupming around like a mosh pit.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Most characters boxxed in WoW? 07/06/2008 11:02:37 PM PDT



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Ok, I've heard several stories of many different numbers of characters boxxed in WoW, but the most I've confirmed on a real realm is 10 by a guy that posted it on the dual-boxing website. Someone said there was someone that boxxed 40 on AV, but I don't believe that was on all paid accounts that he was the subscriber for. To be legit, they have to be the subscriber and not some illegal stuff.

Well, I'm playing 15 shamans right now on Aegwynn. They're only level 19 so far. A long way to go to get to level 70. And it takes a really long time to level up them all because they have to be in separate groups in order to get quests done.




Ok on 7/06/2008 he was 15 boxing ... And he reads this site ...

[Naysayer]

This is him, I'd bet the farm.

What is the most boxxed characters in WoW today? ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=97232&highlight=#post97232')

edit: ninjaed by samD

He most likely referred a friend with each of his 15 shaman to get 3xExp and that's why he's up to 30ish.

[Toned]

Mages aren't that potent to shamans. You can drop them fairly quick. Once they burn their iceblock they're done, and chain heals will out heals their AE spam. I usually tap mages with a few shocks and lbs to get them to iceblock. Then drop fire nova totems right before Ice Block wears off. Soon as it wears off they're sitting ducks. Multi-boxed mages long as you get the jump on them you can drop a few pretty quickily. But if you let them get up close and they have Dragon's Breath / BW it gets nasty.

[Suvega]

Theres a large diff between multiboxed mages and a singular mage ;)

[Souca]

What are blizzard going to say? Theres constantly people saying that there fps is terrible in citys, now when ever the 32 boxer is in a city they are going to drop to 1fps - 32 spells at once, over 100 totems, 32 mini-pets and if you make it to 60 over 100 barov peasants :P

It would have been more interesting with boomkin:
32x Boomkin.
96x Barov Peasents.
96x Treants.
32x NC Pets.

I really want to see what 96 treants would do to someone. This combo is the one reason I'm planning on leveling an all druid team; even at 5 it would be crazy.

- Souca -

[Lokked]

Most chars running on one comp is on average 5? can't get more then 8 running on one comp?

I think we are forgetting about this person:
200 WoW... ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=577&pageNo=1&highlight=%22200+wows%22')

Which is now more like 400 WoWs, but anyways....

This person runs 40-50 WoWs per machine. The key is to have them all minimized, use the config.WTF to change resolutions to rediculously low (300x200) and size the windows as small as your fingernail.

I believe you could run at least 12 WoWs per machine if you were to do this. You just wouldn't be able to look at their windows.

He mentions use of Innerspace, but that (to my belief, and which wasn't pointed out by anyone in that thread) is so he can run his automation scripts, where the process of creating a character, choosing a server, logging in and commencing his survey, the logging back out and choosing another server are automated.

Old thread, but I just wanted to highlight the fact that 1 machine can handle a silly amount of WoWs.

[Zzc2]

Just have lightning shield up on all the shamans and any one who goes into AOE will be dead after the first one.

[Talamarr]

I think we are forgetting about this person:
200 WoW...

That was an, ummm, interesting thread.

[Stabface]

Arcane Explosion is capped at 10100, so the base hit on 32 targets is at most 316 per. Even with 5 mages you're looking at <2k every 1.5 seconds...
So yeah if you let some mage at point blank range cast on you for 6-8+ seconds then you deserve the corpse run.
http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t25902-aoe_spell_cap_mechanics/


Consecrate is however not AoE capped so beware the multiboxed holy Paladin :)

[Skrimshaw]

Like Zz said Lightning Sheild x32 would negate an aoe attack. Would be very interesting to see how long a mage would live, I'm guessing one arcane explosion would kill himself.

[Havelcek]

Just my opinion but whether you're boxing 5, 10, or 100, if they are all the same class then I'm not any more impressed. I find the folks who run blended teams much more impressive given the exponentially added complexity.

The ability to pay for x accounts and build x computers isn't anything special. Juggling macros, assignments, different spell cast times...that's what impresses me.

[puppychow]

I'd go one step further and say the people who actually succeed in difficult things impress me. The people with the high ranked arena teams (it is NOT easy), the people who have cleared all heroics, the people who are 10 manning Karazhan, etc are impressive. Running around spamming a few buttons on a single keyboard isn't.

Poor Sam, he was gonna roxxor our boxxors with his 25 man setup, only right after he creates his characters another guy comes along with 6-7 more. The game is on, its time to step up to the streets!

[Carnage]

Will be impressed if i see a 25 boxer soloing 25 mans, although there are many fights that will be impossible to solo-multibox even if you had a good enough setup - examples of this would be gruuls lair, magtheridon, lurker.. now i think about it, the list goes on - theres no way you can be doing 25 peoples jobs especially when there split up into groups of 5. 10 mans in WoTLK will be much more multiboxable im sure, and personally i dont see much out there for any multiboxer above 10.

[David]

Just have lightning shield up on all the shamans and any one who goes into AOE will be dead after the first one. Rofl, would be an easy way to deal with them. The first reaction mages would have when they see someone like this is aoe anyway.

[Stabface]

I could go tonight and create 50 L1s and run them to a capital city... doesn't mean much more than the guy who's got the single L1 there selling gold.

[David]

I could go tonight and create 50 L1s and run them to a capital city... doesn't mean much more than the guy who's got the single L1 there selling gold.Yet he`s lvl23 and not 1.

[Schwarz]

Will be impressed if i see a 25 boxer soloing 25 mans, although there are many fights that will be impossible to solo-multibox even if you had a good enough setup - examples of this would be gruuls lair, magtheridon, lurker.. now i think about it, the list goes on - theres no way you can be doing 25 peoples jobs especially when there split up into groups of 5. 10 mans in WoTLK will be much more multiboxable im sure, and personally i dont see much out there for any multiboxer above 10.

I have always wondered if you kill high king mulgar first do the rest of his adds die? I don't think anyone has tried this and it would be interesting too see if it was.

[Carnage]

Afraid not, that would defeat the entire concept of the fight :P

But luckily, gruuls lair / magtheridons lair is no longer a requirment since they removed the attunements.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

You know whats really sad?

5x Mage team
Invisibility + Blink (maybe even just blink)

Arcane Explosion Spam = 30+ dead ShamanDamage caps > those mages.

[BobGnarly]

Well that sux ... I get beat before I even start.... Ya I am pissed for sure, but we will see. I am very leary of people who don't post on ANY forum. There is to little infos to determine much at this point.

What's to determine, there are 30+ orc shaman there, no question about it.


Well lets see if he's on for the long term ... He dosn't really have to pay anything untill the free week and month or whatever expires, then the bill comes in lol. I got 6 months on all 26 at 12.99 a month.

Well, I don't know about "the long term", but I will tell you from this armory ('http://www.wowarmory.com/guild-info.xml?r=Aegwynn&n=We+Are+Prepared&p=1') that the chars are > 20 which means they aren't trial accounts. So yeah, he might be on the free month still, but he definitely has paid for all those accounts. I have a suspicion that somebody who's shelled out $900+ for the wow accounts is not going to fold the first month, anyway.


I assume he has 8 computers humm ...

32 Orc Shaman ... well Im still going 25 T Shaman (how could he not want war stomp?) and one BE Prot Pally. It tells you a bit about his set up that he dosn't feel he can micro manage one tank.

Oh come on, Sam, you aren't going to be outdone before you even start, are you? Do you realize that this guy, counting all he has and all you have, is going to have greater single person burstl DPS than you, right? You gonna just lay down for that?!??! :P

[Zub]

lol

Ladies and gentlemen, now the moment you've all been waiting for, the Jack Rabbit Slims "MINE IS BIGGER THAN YOURS" contest.
Young man what's your name?
- "Sam Deathwalker" (26)
And how about your fellow there?
- "Temor" (32 - What is the most boxxed characters in WoW today? ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=10677&pageNo=1'))
Ok, Lets see what you can do, Take away!

This is going to be funny in a ridiculously disproportioned way


(I still fail to see what you will do with all those toons, but good luck on the 1-80 grind :-)

[Bradster]

In before Sam 50 boxes

[Zub]

In before Sam 50 boxes
LOL


Note that just buying the boxes doesn't count.. it's reaching 70 (or even 80) that counts.

[cookcpu]

Respect. The time to take to setup the all the macro and all... woah.

[Sam DeathWalker]

My "long term" might be a bit longer then yours:

http://tomeoftreasures.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3076&sid=fee459f403de815b0fa671e03101c121

Sam Ferris is me there listed in the "Senate" Below Gary Gygax, before there ever was dungeons and dragons or before any GenCon.

We will see, if he kills better mobs then I do or does more dps or whatever I might step up my game but not planning to do so yet. Sides I have 51 total MMO accounts active between EQ and WoW so ...

Also Ill belive a lot more that he is boxing all by himself when he posts his specs and equipment and all that. You can find pics of my stuffs, and I am a very advid poster (Im kinda not showing much casue I plan to do so on my site after I level up). We have not even had him claim to box more then 15 yet.

Ya getting to 70 is what counts thats for sure, Ill be on it. Donforget some of my guys in EQ have 280ish days on them of actuall playing.

[Zub]

Ya getting to 70 is what counts thats for sure, Ill be on it. Donforget some of my guys in EQ have 280ish days on them of actuall playing

Time to get your wow toons 1hour played then ;)

[Sam DeathWalker]

Im on it. I have time now for a few days. Getting my EQ guys stable for bazzar trading, then Ill start making the wow characters (all accounts are made) and setting up the UI and keyclone. I might go to bed though its 86degree in here right now ... but the computers is running even though they only have 2 fans each lol ... (power supply and cpu, no case or video card fans) thats solid performance.

[Naysayer]

http://tomeoftreasures.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3076&sid=fee459f403de815b0fa671e03101c121

Sam Ferris is me there listed in the "Senate" Below Gary Gygax, before there ever was dungeons and dragons or before any GenCon.

Cool

[Kyudo]

Gotta say Lol, just lol, are you only in this for the epeen Sam? is that why you are so pissed?

[Korruptor]

Gotta say Lol, just lol, are you only in this for the epeen Sam? is that why you are so pissed?That's the vibe I'm getting from his posts.

[zanthor]

did anyone else hear ziiiiip..... THUD upon reading through some of these posts?

[Sam DeathWalker]

In my case its ziiiiiiiipppppp, (throw over shoulder), Thud, THUNDERSTORM (20 foot knockback).

[Kyudo]

did anyone else hear ziiiiip..... THUD upon reading through some of these posts?Cant tell if you are referring to body-bags, wallets or manhoods there :D

[zanthor]

In my case its ziiiiiiiipppppp, (throw over shoulder), Thud, THUNDERSTORM (20 foot knockback).Only cuz yer unzipping 26 times...

Sam, I'll give ya that you're a damn interesting person. Odd, but that's my type of people right there. Half my friends dress up as pirates on weekends and do live steel fights... the other half, well, lets just say they are odd as well.

[Lokked]

Hey, if I had the money and a supportive wife (believe it or not, the supportive wife thing would make it harder then the money aspect) I would do something like this as well.

Why not? There really isn't any purpose to anything, except for what makes you happy. And no one can tell you what makes you happy.

[BobGnarly]

My "long term" might be a bit longer then yours:

Well, OK. If by "long term" you meant "let's wait and see if he plays wow as long as it's been since I was listed on a piece of paper with Gary Gygax," then you're probably right...I doubt he'll be 36 boxing shaman in 39 years.

And while it might be true that your "long term" is longer than mine (ehem../cough), it might not be. You know what they say about assuming things. :)

[Zub]

so, apart from lagging Orgrimmar, i'm still unsure what people will be able to do with 26/32 toons. I'm genuinely interested, but can't see.
- instances? nope, limited to 5/10
- 25man raids? i sure doubt it with shamies and/or 1 paly
- arena? nope
- bgs? only av (so far) and its going to be boring real fast
- World pvp? can't see it happening, but who knows. Maybe standing in a spot for a couple hours will bring some enemies, but in any case it's going to be a lag fest.
The only answer i'ev got so far was 'going to kill some mobs to get the phat lootz' or something similar.

if it's only an epeen thing, then ok, why not. To each their own.

[Naysayer]

so, apart from lagging Orgrimmar, i'm still unsure what people will be able to do with 26/32 toons. I'm genuinely interested, but can't see.
- instances? nope, limited to 5/10
- 25man raids? i sure doubt it with shamies and/or 1 paly
- arena? nope
- bgs? only av (so far) and its going to be boring real fast
- World pvp? can't see it happening, but who knows. Maybe standing in a spot for a couple hours will bring some enemies, but in any case it's going to be a lag fest.
The only answer i'ev got so far was 'going to kill some mobs to get the phat lootz' or something similar.

if it's only an epeen thing, then ok, why not. To hear their own.25 dailies x 30 = 9000 gold a day!!!

[Sam DeathWalker]

Why does no one think wintergrasp is viable, I mean even if you dont have spread macros you can just stop auto follow on 5 at a time to spread out and not die to bombs.

Someoone said you get 4000 hero ponints or something I forget honor maybe whatever (doh Im such a noob) for killing enemy city bosses, is that possible?

Look

1. They guy posts here under "termor" (or something the guy asking about 15 is max or not and under "prepared", he did 5 or so posts under prepared helping others out.

2. The guy has not himself claimed he 30 boxes. Does that not strike anyone as odd at all, considering he was very concered if 15 was the max or not?

3. Even if they are not trial accounts, he has not paid a dime yet. I have 6 months on ALL 26 of my accounts and my credit card will nto be drawn for 1 week and 1 month, LOTS of time to get to level 21 if not past 60. Lets see if he is still around in 8 months if he is then Ill think about what to do different.

4. He is not running a SINGLE mellee, thats means he is not able to set up his system to micro manage one character, which means umm well not sure yet.

5. Like everyone says this is not all that easy. I don't have a wife, I don't have childern, I don't have a 40 hour a week job, I don't have anyone to tell me what I can do or can't do with my time. Not a lot of people are in the postition I am. Plus I am older and know what its like to have done this or that, when you are young you always think that you will be happy when you do or have X thing, so there is lots to distract.'

6. On the other hand someone saw him kill a 70 rough and hunter multiple times today ...

See the last 5 posts here:

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/retard-rickshaw/35500-deathwalker-plans-26-boxing-wow-15.html

7. Still not a single log of his exploits, I have tons and tons of EQ logs.

Some one stated a few hours ago: "I tried finding him with a lv1 char, but I wasn't able to... I did get my char to Hillsbrad, but he was on the farm and there is no way you can get a lv 1 all the way to the farm" without dying 100 times

[Xzin]

Sam,

I understand your reasons for wanting to box 27 or so characters. I hope you do it and get 80 on them all. I am too in a similar position in life although younger. Do what makes you happy.

My only question is what exactly do you hope to accomplish? Destruction in PvP? You will smash face in Wintergrasp, no doubt. People will still try to (and will) pick some of your guys off. If you can rez in place then who cares? Take a look at the siege weapons. They might hurt a bit but who knows. Bombing runs might be an issue but the dps is massive to say the least.

But what is your GOAL here? To beat people in PvP? I still don't get the 27 characters - why not 25? But still - I am looking forward to seeing how this unfolds. Do what you love man.

[Sam DeathWalker]

I have 27 accounts. I will play 26 of them, the 27th is so that all 26 get the free mounts. Ill discontinue the 27th account (unless I get some buffing class maybe - not sure).

The reason I picked 26 is because I have 6 computers, no other reason.

I could play 24 I suppose but 5 computers with 5 characters each and 1 computer (the main) with just one character on it with full resolution and effects seems to nice to pass up. In fact if it works out good here Ill probably move from 24 to 26 in EQ. The edge of always having your main controlable is very strong. I can play ONE character as perfect as any single toon player, and do simple heals and casts with the other 25. I think my set up will give me an edge over the 30/32 boxer guy. But we will see.

My goal is to singally kill the strongest pve mob there is (as any pvp goal is going to be hard to set, and wont be as universal as a pve goal), by one person, and then to do some winning in pvp, maybe there will be some kind of wintergrasp ladder or leaderboard....

If I kill a stronger pve mob then anyone by themselves then I think I can claim to be the best single player. Might take years to get to that point but we will see.

How would you say who the best single person player in wow is right now? I would think that whoever killed the strongest boss mob by themselves would have that honor. Same in EQ.

Right now I am leaning towards not tileing, I think the system I use in EQ is adaptable (fliping through each group), has some good points here. Sure I won't be able to cast at the same time with all 25 but I can cast with 5, drop totems with 5, heal with 5, cast cl with 5, all withine .5 seconds of each (I flip though 4 eq groups in 2 seconds). Whats the difference in doing you 25 chain lightings all at once or over 2 seconds ... And I can drop autofollow and spread that way, by group. We will see but right now Im setting up liek i did in EQ. I mean why should I be stuck with casting heal with all 25 ... if I just need 5 heals ... I dont know not 100 percent sure on anything yet, still setting things up. I basically rewrite most of my EQ socials every new camp (I stay at the same camps for a few weeks though), so I am sure I will change but tonight Ill be tryin the old way first.

I don't understand how people play with these tiny little screens in tile mode, and dont play in first person all the time, its just so strange, where is the immersion in the game when you are not in first person?

[Lokked]

In EQ, at lvl 65, another bard and I duo'd Sontilak in WW. I've also soloed Harla Dar in WW. The same bard and I tried Klandicar, but failed, due to him DPSing us faster then we could heal.

We used charm + the entire zone worth of animal mobs and Ice Burrowers to cycle back and forth sending them to tank the dragons. We would stack Harmonic-something (63 debuff to all magic) to prevent charm dispell. When a "pet" died we would take from the pack that was chasing after us and continue. We would take damage quite a bit, as dispells would eat charms at awkward times. We healed using songs and Fungi tunic (crappy, but 52hp/tick helped a lot).

I thought that was a pretty cool achievement.

[Carnage]

Lake wintergrasp is overhyped, it will turn out like the rest of the world pvp zones - maybe its because im on a normal realm, but on our server there is never horde taking nagrand. You dont need 25+ charecters to dominate in pvp, i took my first trip to AV yesterday upon dinging 60, they are still in level 30 year and i was picking them off like flies - untill there mages found out that i had 3k HP and decided to dragons breath + aoe me down ;(

Even if wintergrasp is abit more active than the current world pvp zones, you think there is going to be 20+ alliance in that zone? because without that your not going to get a good battle, it would just be you ganking people - but i guess the only way you can see is if you try it - getting to 70 would be an achievement in itsself ;)



How would you say who the best single person player in wow is right now? I would think that whoever killed the strongest boss mob by themselves would have that honor I dont see much of the, soloing bosses thing since TBC came - most elites can be solo kited with ease, if its doable its normally easy - and if its not doable its just impossible. But if i was to put my money on anyone it would probablly be faxmonkey (pre-tbc) or one of the korean mages who was soloing UBRS bosses. I do remember solo farming ZG crocs on my mage, great fun and a great challenge - but there must have been at least 1 mage on every realm who could do it.

[Zub]

Why does no one think wintergrasp is viable, I mean even if you dont have spread macros you can just stop auto follow on 5 at a time to spread out and not die to bombs.

Someoone said you get 4000 hero ponints or something I forget honor maybe whatever (doh Im such a noob) for killing enemy city bosses, is that possible?

Look

1. They guy posts here under "termor" (or something the guy asking about 15 is max or not and under "prepared", he did 5 or so posts under prepared helping others out.

2. The guy has not himself claimed he 30 boxes. Does that not strike anyone as odd at all, considering he was very concered if 15 was the max or not?

3. Even if they are not trial accounts, he has not paid a dime yet. I have 6 months on ALL 26 of my accounts and my credit card will nto be drawn for 1 week and 1 month, LOTS of time to get to level 21 if not past 60. Lets see if he is still around in 8 months if he is then Ill think about what to do different.

4. He is not running a SINGLE mellee, thats means he is not able to set up his system to micro manage one character, which means umm well not sure yet.

5. Like everyone says this is not all that easy. I don't have a wife, I don't have childern, I don't have a 40 hour a week job, I don't have anyone to tell me what I can do or can't do with my time. Not a lot of people are in the postition I am. Plus I am older and know what its like to have done this or that, when you are young you always think that you will be happy when you do or have X thing, so there is lots to distract.'

6. On the other hand someone saw him kill a 70 rough and hunter multiple times today ...

See the last 5 posts here:

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/retard-rickshaw/35500-deathwalker-plans-26-boxing-wow-15.html

7. Still not a single log of his exploits, I have tons and tons of EQ logs.

Some one stated a few hours ago: "I tried finding him with a lv1 char, but I wasn't able to... I did get my char to Hillsbrad, but he was on the farm and there is no way you can get a lv 1 all the way to the farm" without dying 100 times

Geesh Sam, watch that ego, it seems to be inflating>.<
Why do you try to bash/suss Temor/prepared? you probably no nothing of his goals, intentions.. Maybe he just thought it would be fun to try lots of toons after reading your post. and RAF'd all his accounts.
Seems to me you're trying to run a race where the other guy doesn't even know there is a race. Who but Temor knows what he wants to do with his toons? maybe he just wants to get to 30 and basta.
Why don't you try and play the game for your own enjoyment instead of this pseudo epeen contest. You might be 'older' but sure sound like a pre-teen to me.

And IF Temor is trying to get them most toons, well, suck it up. To be the best you need to beat the best. Not just try and pinpoint that perhap, maybe, there is a chance that the best is possibly using different accounts or whatnot.

Lots of talk and no action so far. Get your 26 toons to 70/80 and then people will go 'whoaaa', me included. Hell, get ONE toon to 70 to begin with ;)
In the meantime, you're just some dude who bought alot of WoW boxes and is talking lots on the web.

At least, that's what coming out of your posts to me.
-Zub

[Sam DeathWalker]

Thats true enough, can't kill boss mobs with boxes .... Ya lots of talk and no action, but Im talking while my computers are moving files all over the place, if I was done setting up Id be playing so you'll be seeing less talking soon. Had to redo my raptor on my main to match the others ... now I need to move the BC files from the main to the other 5, then make all the winEQ2 set ups, then make the characters, then finally actually play ... rome was not built in a day.

I'm not dissing the guy, Im just saying its a bit soon to claim that he is in fact 30/32 boxing. He reads this forum, its possible he is busy leveling up, but if he has read these threads then he should come in and speak his peace, as I do.

Probably he is it does seem like it but then again far far from all the facts are in.

But even under my own measurment suggestion (killing pve boss mobs), Im still dead last lol ...

People are competitive, what with all the rankings and pvp in wow, I mean there are 100 or more sites just devoted to rankings of all different kinds, trade skills, gold, arena, pve achivments etc. etc.

Its not resonable to say that I'm wrong for being competitive. Next time you get ganked are you going to post that "its unfair cause you weren't playing "competively"".

I'm from Sullon Zek. Level 60's were killing me when I was level 20, 100's of times. Take every ganker and hacker and no holds barred cheater in wow and put them on one server and you'll have it 1/2 as bad as SZ was.

You log in, you die. Welcome to WoW PvP, enjoy your stay.



One nice thing here is that on Zek, I know so many people from buying/selling and them helping me and me helping them, its almost impossible to sort out who is going to attack me or who isnt (in EQ I don't gank I just wait to see if someon attacks me). In WoW its just attack Allience automatically on sight lol, gives me 2 seconds more then I have on Zek.

[Leon]

More power to the 32boxer. As to why he's not stepped up and said yes thats me and this is why im doing it, why should they everyone has there own reasons for doing things.

Me personally i see anything over 5 as getting a bit excessive and not worth it, ive been happily Solo Boxing since WoW came out but have splashed about a bit with a Friends team and found it to be fun, once i have PC capable of playing Wow again i'll be trying out Dual Boxing with a view to possibly going up to Tri Boxing.
The great thing i foresee with it for me is the capability to Do some of the Group type quests that i cant solo (if i cant chill it its going to eat my mage undead).

[midnightrain]

This is totally off-topic but does anyone recognize the unit frames mod he was using?

[Prepared]

i pitty the enemy this guy will face in av, i can only wonder how many will go /afk just to avoid facing him

and sweeet way cool :) hope he got some raf going for the leveling prosess otherwise this will be painfully hard to get to 70

Silver

Actually, I'm planning to do 16 at a time with AV. :) And 5 at time in the other BGs at the start to see how it goes. It's difficult if not impossible to do the BGs with all slots filled because of the constant running around. Of course, I still have a long way to go before I do any of the BGs as my first goal is to get them all to level 60 with recruit-a-friend. The way I have it is that I had 16 accounts and then each one of those recruited another friend to 32 in total. So I have 8 groups of 4 in each group so that they all get triple experience for the group that gets the kills and to complete quests. With this, I get about a level a day (maybe slightly more right now) but that largely depends on how many Alliance I run into during the day that want to camp me. Of course, those Alliance that camp me don't get any honor because they're usually a mage or priest at level 70. When a 70 camps me after the first kill, I usually go play on my other realm that I box different classes at level 70. No one on Aegwynn at 10 levels above me has been able to kill me so far :) They can't even kill one of my characters. It's quite funny because I don't think they know how many I have because they're all stacked on top of each with the same guild name and almost the same name. The way the names are is Preparea through Preparet, then Prepar(a, e, i, o, u)(d, s, r). The guild is named We Are Prepared. My main was going to be the one labeled as Prepared, but that's not the case really as I can switch my main to any of six on my main computer. I use a macro that does /target (name here), /focus to switch my main assist.

I didn't think my Internet connection would work before I recruited the other 16 accounts but it actually works quite well. I'm using a fast Comcast connection and I'm in California and the Aegwynn realm is apparently in Los Angeles so that could explain why it works so good with 32 accounts. :)

My hardware is 3 desktop computers and 6 laptops. The first desktop has the Q9300 quad processor and 2 - 22 inch monitors with 6 accounts. The 2nd and 3rd desktops are quad processors and runs 4 accounts with a 22 inch monitor on each and the laptops are 17 inch screen duo cores with 3 accounts each. So that's 14 accounts running on the desktops and 18 accounts running on the laptops = 32 in total. :)

All my graphics are turned down and all machines have WoW installed in one directory only (except for Wrath of the Lich King Beta is installed in a separate directory on one of the laptops).

[Prepared]

I'm not dissing the guy, Im just saying its a bit soon to claim that he is in fact 30/32 boxing. He reads this forum, its possible he is busy leveling up, but if he has read these threads then he should come in and speak his peace, as I do.






Actually, I was waiting to see if someone would post a video or picture as in Orgrimmar, there were many that said they would post on youtube. And you're right, I'm busy leveling. :) I'm up to level 27 on all 32 shaman right now. It takes awhile to level with 8 groups of 4.

Why did I go with Shaman? Because I've already leveled up and boxxed every class in the game on a non-pvp realm. Those characters have season 2, 3 and 4 gear already. The second reason was because Shaman ROCK! They can battle self-rez, rez others, heal, wear a shield, wear chain, cast area of effect spells, drop four totems each, fire and earth elementals, and best of all, NUKE. Imagine at level 70 with PvP gear, 3 times 32 totems (96) plus 32 fire elementals hitting Stormwind or Ironforge? A lot of guards would spawn, but they would die fairly quickly too.

Why did I go with 32? Mostly because I wanted to try it. Why do men climb mountains? (because they are there). I only recently found that I could run more accounts on the machines I have by turning down all of the graphics options. My goal is to make level 70 before the expansion is released.

I leveled up mages and priests to level 20 on 26 of the accounts so that when the shaman reach level 59, I can ding them all to level 49. I'm not going to wait til 60 because I'm unsure of the faq blizzard has about the recruit-a-friend where it says that you can't use any of the features after the character reaches level 60. The mages and priests would really only be for giving buffs and water, etc to the shaman. Unless I decide later to switch to using them. The options are open :)

[Prepared]

Why would keyclone know who he is?

I fail to see your logic.I use Octopus. But I also use Keyclone's maximizer feature then shut it down.

[Prepared]

The one thing that keeps me from going higher than 5-boxing....trade skills.
I just can't stop it. :S

I've wasted hours and hours multi-boxing trade skills....sighUnderstandable, that's why for these shaman, I'm doing what Aelli did. Only focus on enchanting and maybe a little gathering here and there for a little gold to help along the way.

[Prepared]

You know whats really sad?

5x Mage team
Invisibility + Blink (maybe even just blink)

Arcane Explosion Spam = 30+ dead Shaman32 fire nova totems > 5 AE mages

32 NS+chainheal > 5 AE mages

32 NS+chainlightning > 5 AE magesMy Shaman in Heroic gear (i'm not a PvPer) have about 7500/8000 HP. There is a 3-boxer mage on my server, horde side. He kills me all the time. 2 - 3 Arcane Explosions and my Shaman are dead. Even with Magma totem ticks, I'm sure you could get off 2 blasts, and with 5 mages, that would be enough to kill the Shaman.You guys forget 1 thing. They nerfed Arcane explosion so the more targets it has the less dmg it does. a normal AoE max rank with like 1000 spell dmg is 800 dmg. When pulling 32 mobs/players its only like 300 dmg left per shot. Even with 5 mages its only 1500 per GCD tick, in that time he could have NS CS him 32 times already :)In that same time one cast of Chain Lightning from 32 shamans on the mages wipes them out. Of course, prior to Chain Lightning, the talent that gives an instant cast (sorry forgot the name of it) would be used. :)

[Xzin]

My hardware is 3 desktop computers and 6 laptops. The first desktop has the Q9300 quad processor and 2 - 22 inch monitors with 6 accounts. The 2nd and 3rd desktops are quad processors and runs 4 accounts with a 22 inch monitor on each and the laptops are 17 inch screen duo cores with 3 accounts each. So that's 14 accounts running on the desktops and 18 accounts running on the laptops = 32 in total. :)

Picssssssssssssssssssssssssss

[Lorune]

My hardware is 3 desktop computers and 6 laptops. The first desktop has the Q9300 quad processor and 2 - 22 inch monitors with 6 accounts. The 2nd and 3rd desktops are quad processors and runs 4 accounts with a 22 inch monitor on each and the laptops are 17 inch screen duo cores with 3 accounts each. So that's 14 accounts running on the desktops and 18 accounts running on the laptops = 32 in total. :)

Picsssssssssssssssssssssssssssays the guy who still hasn't posted his own recent pics :p

[Sam DeathWalker]

I leveled up mages and priests to level 20 on 26 of the accounts so that when the shaman reach level 59, I can ding them all to level 49. I'm not going to wait til 60 because I'm unsure of the faq blizzard has about the recruit-a-friend where it says that you can't use any of the features after the character reaches level 60. The mages and priests would really only be for giving buffs and water, etc to the shaman. Unless I decide later to switch to using them. The options are open

Thats a very very smart move. Sure shamans are on the top right now but in a few more expansions, who knows ....


OK Now I am convienced he is actually boxing 32 on his own. And he has a ton more wow exp then I do. Still you are losing out a bit of exp by not having groups of 5, if you are exping in groups of 4. And nine computers seems a mess, but we will see. The only way for me to beat you would be to either get 10 more accounts (with my set up I can only add sets of 5) ... bleh or just level faster even though I know less about the game. Also this guy is clearly ligit as compared to that 23/23 whatever boxer guy with the cheap computers, who I completly discount as any kind of ligit competition.

So Prepared is the single top WoW active boxer number wise, where as I am the top MMO active boxer number wise with 50 total accounts (24 in EQ and 26 in WoW).

Well lets see if you stick with it when the bills start coming in .... plus I am sure if you are still around in 8 months Ill be pissed off enough to get whatever number of accounts is necessary to win lol, I hope 3.2 Gig is enought to run 7 accounts at low resolutions ... bleh.

Its does appear the only minor edge I have is that I can micro manage a single mellee whereas it appears you might not be able to. Vs yur extra 6 characters that dosnt seems to matter much but it might help in some PvE battles.

[Zub]

So Prepared is the single top WoW boxer number wise, where as I am the top MMO boxer number wise with 50 total accounts (24 in EQ and 26 in WoW).

Well lets see if you stick with it when the bills start coming in ....
"It's all about the benjamins"
It all means nothing while the toons are not top level.. I could buy 50 boxes of wow/eq/war/aoc/.. what would i achieve? Your need for epeen titles will always impress me.

See what Prepared said? "Why did I go with 32? Mostly because I wanted to try it. Why do men climb mountains? (because they are there). I only recently found that I could run more accounts on the machines I have by turning down all of the graphics options. My goal is to make level 70 before the expansion is released."
He seems to play to have fun, not just to "be the one, woohoo look at me" (People will still look at him anyway;)

Good luck to 70 guys, Prepared has more wow experience but Sam believes he needs to race, so who knows who will be first.
The real race you guys have to fight is the 90 day RAF limit really.


Ow and prepared, i granted some levels with my toons at 64 (to lower levels), so it doesnt go away when you reach 60 - at least for me it didnt ;)

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well at least I have the best monitor set up: And Im kinda fasts at posting pics heh:

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/7870/mon1db4.th.jpg (http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mon1db4.jpg)

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7205/mon2ls1.th.jpg (http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mon2ls1.jpg)

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/3571/mon3ek2.th.jpg (http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mon3ek2.jpg)

[Prepared]

I leveled up mages and priests to level 20 on 26 of the accounts so that when the shaman reach level 59, I can ding them all to level 49. I'm not going to wait til 60 because I'm unsure of the faq blizzard has about the recruit-a-friend where it says that you can't use any of the features after the character reaches level 60. The mages and priests would really only be for giving buffs and water, etc to the shaman. Unless I decide later to switch to using them. The options are open

Thats a very very smart move. Sure shamans are on the top right now but in a few more expansions, who knows ....


OK Now I am convienced he is actually boxing 32 on his own. And he has a ton more wow exp then I do. Still you are losing out a bit of exp by not having groups of 5, if you are exping in groups of 4. And nine computers seems a mess, but we will see. The only way for me to beat you would be to either get 10 more accounts (with my set up I can only add sets of 5) ... bleh or just level faster even though I know less about the game. Also this guy is clearly ligit as compared to that 23/23 whatever boxer guy with the cheap computers, who I completly discount as any kind of ligit competition.

So Prepared is the single top WoW active boxer number wise, where as I am the top MMO active boxer number wise with 50 total accounts (24 in EQ and 26 in WoW).

Well lets see if you stick with it when the bills start coming in .... plus I am sure if you are still around in 8 months Ill be pissed off enough to get whatever number of accounts is necessary to win lol, I hope 3.2 Gig is enought to run 7 accounts at low resolutions ... bleh.

Its does appear the only minor edge I have is that I can micro manage a single mellee whereas it appears you might not be able to. Vs yur extra 6 characters that dosnt seems to matter much but it might help in some PvE battles.

Seems as though a lot of people here make assumptions. I still have my 32 accounts that I boxxed in Everquest 1. They will be expiring in October though. I played on Maelin Starpyre back when I did play. The guild I was in let me box 6 characters in raids. I always pay with the most discounted method which on EQ was 2 years at a time. With WoW, I am paying every six months. So I don't quite understand why you're mad about anything as one of your previous posts indicated.

I started boxxing with Diablo 1 in January of 1997. I had two buy two copies of the game because I couldn't hold everything I wanted on battle.net with one copy. I didn't even know there was a term for it then. When Everquest came out, I purchased two copies of it 4 days after it was released. Then just kept adding because I kept needing things in the game that I couldn't have even with groups. That was what got me started. I didn't learn of this message board until this year nor did I know about keyboard software programs like Octopus and Keyclone until this year. I always managed my characters from the keyboard and switching windows. Yes, it was very hard to do and when I heard about keyboard software programs that sent keystrokes to all of the windows, it was WAY easier than moving to the keyboard to do one key press.

What pictures do people on here want to see? My computer set up? Or pictures in the game? For some reason, Fraps videos don't work for me on youtube when in windowed mode. It worked when I was in full screen but I've not been able to get them to display in youtube recently. Maybe someone has some information about how they can be fixed to work in youtube. The video runs fine on my machine, but after uploading, youtube says it has a problem with the codec. However, I was able upload a couple of videos to youtube prior to switching to windowed mode so I'm really not sure why they don't work there.

[Zub]

Well at least I have the best monitor set up: And Im kinda fasts at posting pics heh:

sigh. you're so AWESOME. i want to be you when i grow up
/sarcasm off

[Prepared]

So Prepared is the single top WoW boxer number wise, where as I am the top MMO boxer number wise with 50 total accounts (24 in EQ and 26 in WoW).

Well lets see if you stick with it when the bills start coming in ....
"It's all about the benjamins"
It all means nothing while the toons are not top level.. I could buy 50 boxes of wow/eq/war/aoc/.. what would i achieve? Your need for epeen titles will always impress me.

See what Prepared said? "Why did I go with 32? Mostly because I wanted to try it. Why do men climb mountains? (because they are there). I only recently found that I could run more accounts on the machines I have by turning down all of the graphics options. My goal is to make level 70 before the expansion is released."
He seems to play to have fun, not just to "be the one, woohoo look at me" (People will still look at him anyway;)

Good luck to 70 guys, Prepared has more wow experience but Sam believes he needs to race, so who knows who will be first.
The real race you guys have to fight is the 90 day RAF limit really.


Ow and prepared, i granted some levels with my toons at 64 (to lower levels), so it doesnt go away when you reach 60 - at least for me it didnt ;)


Good to know. My shamans are level 29 and climbing. Has Sam even started yet? :)

[Prepared]

Well at least I have the best monitor set up: And Im kinda fasts at posting pics heh:

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/7870/mon1db4.th.jpg ('http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mon1db4.jpg')

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7205/mon2ls1.th.jpg ('http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mon2ls1.jpg')

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/3571/mon3ek2.th.jpg ('http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mon3ek2.jpg')More assumptions, I see. :) I will post my pics when I find the time. Right now, I'm leveling up :)

[Sam DeathWalker]

You boxed 32 at the same time in EQ1 and no one has ever heard of you? Well I guess some prefer a lower profile, what the EQ 1 guild yur in or is there a list of your toons someplace? Why would you let your EQ1 toons expire?

I havint even logged in yet but I have 3 free days now... gonna get some sleep and get back to wow, be posting later, night.

Im not mad at you, I'm just kinda mad about losing so badly. But even though I am vastly behind right now we will see what the future brings.


Its not unreasonable to assume things until proven wrong ... Lets see the pics, but ya kinda smarter to level instead of posting heh...

[Lyonheart]

And I thought I was crazy with 12 active acnts.. I feel better now 8)

[Prepared]

3. Even if they are not trial accounts, he has not paid a dime yet. I have 6 months on ALL 26 of my accounts and my credit card will nto be drawn for 1 week and 1 month, LOTS of time to get to level 21 if not past 60. Lets see if he is still around in 8 months if he is then Ill think about what to do different.

I've told this many times in the game to players that don't know. Trial accounts cannot get over level 20. Nor can they be in a guild.

[twobztwop]

That's sweet. Any more photos you post = gravy. Funny how sometimes this forum can sound like the wow gen forums once you step on a few peoples toes/egos.

keep us updated.

[Crayonbox]

Ever since Sam Deathwalker has come to this forum, he has just been throwing around his E-peen about how he can box more characters than anyone else. It's not such a bad thing, but he seems to sorta disregard any and all civility when faced with another mass boxer. ( Is that even a term? Well I'll dub it mine if it isn't)

Some of the people here are interested in watching someone box 20 - 30 + toons, but frankly, the way Sam is going about is pretty meh~

[Zub]

Well at least I have the best monitor set up: And Im kinda fasts at posting pics heh:

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/7870/mon1db4.th.jpg ('http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mon1db4.jpg')

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7205/mon2ls1.th.jpg ('http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mon2ls1.jpg')

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/3571/mon3ek2.th.jpg ('http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mon3ek2.jpg')More assumptions, I see. :) I will post my pics when I find the time. Right now, I'm leveling up :)
32 mounts at level 30 is going to hurt your budget a bit (1120g i believe), i hope you have a backup 70 to provide the cash

[Skuggomann]

I sense that Xzin is getting off on this thread.

[Prepared]

Well at least I have the best monitor set up: And Im kinda fasts at posting pics heh:

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/7870/mon1db4.th.jpg ('http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mon1db4.jpg')

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7205/mon2ls1.th.jpg ('http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mon2ls1.jpg')

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/3571/mon3ek2.th.jpg ('http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mon3ek2.jpg')More assumptions, I see. :) I will post my pics when I find the time. Right now, I'm leveling up :)
32 mounts at level 30 is going to hurt your budget a bit (1120g i believe), i hope you have a backup 70 to provide the cashNo, see that's one of the other advantages that shamans have. They all get Ghost Wolf form at level 20. I'll be using that all the way to level 60 and not even have a mount til then. :) And just thinking about it, that's one thing that Sam won't be able to do because his warrior won't have Ghost Wolf Form. For his guys to move together, he'll have to go with the slowest moving one.

[Leon]

No, see that's one of the other advantages that shamans have. They all get Ghost Wolf form at level 20. I'll be using that all the way to level 60 and not even have a mount til then. :) And just thinking about it, that's one thing that Sam won't be able to do because his warrior won't have Ghost Wolf Form. For his guys to move together, he'll have to go with the slowest moving one.I like your thinking, my Shaman only got a mount once TBC came along and the skill cost went down while the availability of gold went up. I recall it annoying some of the people that i did things with but i was happy with it.

[Xzin]

I sense that Xzin is getting off on this thread.

Dude, I am totally enjoying this. I live for this stuff. The more I can geek out on ultra high end setups, the better.

[Sam DeathWalker]

sorta disregard any and all civility when faced with another mass boxer


Im not being uncivil by asking he support his claims, if I came in here and said "I 100 box" and someone asked me to back it up with SS or Photos or logs or whatever would that be "uncivil"? People make claims, fine, lets see a bit of proof. Im not asking for much, he has backed up his 32 boxing claim in WoW good enough to suit me. I mean if I claimed I killed X mob over at the Warrior forum in EQ Id have 20 people demanding SS. Why would asking him for his names or guild in EQ be "uncivil". Plus I admit I am beat in WoW so far. What else you want me say? At any rate, win or lose competion is positive, makes me strive to improve. And if he had posted his claims more prolifically I woulndn't have to ask.

Also he has posted a lot here under his temor name:

http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?form=Search&searchID=204507&highlight=

And don't forget he has argued a bit with others as well:

What is the most boxxed characters in WoW today? ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=97115&highlight=#post97115')


But clearly this is by FAR the most civil forum Iv ever been on, as everyone seems to take a mature standpoint on most everything.


Ya my pal wont get ghost, oh well. All will have mounts at some point.

Hey how do I look up or down without the mouse ... there is no command for that? Been setting up WinEQ and Interface all night so far. Getting 40 fps with full distance and everything on when I look far away and liek 60fps looking close (like indoors or where there is no distance), on my main with a single instance. And you can't close multiple windows by spamming esc ... and I get some kind of error where the mouse hand thing has to be over the box to activate it instead of just pointing at it with the tip of the finger, in full screen.

[Yamio]

Im not being uncivil by asking he support his claims, if I came in here and said "I 100 box" and someone asked me to back it up with SS or Photos or logs or whatever would that be "uncivil"? People make claims, fine, lets see a bit of proof. Im not asking for much, he has backed up his 32 boxing claim in WoW good enough to suit me. Because it basically sounds like this has become a "You're bigger than me?!!" competition. There's really only two people who care about this issue, which is fine, but in the grand scheme of things is any of this important? Who cares who multiboxes more toons than anybody else? If either of you wants the title of "Ultimate Multiboxer"....so what? It's impossible for you to make the claim you're having more fun multiboxing than anybody else here if that's what you're doing.

Maybe there are a few younger folks here who might be impressed by all these numbers, but most of the adults see this as eye rolling material.

And if this is about who is the most dedicated multiboxer in existence by spending the most time and money on their machines, utilities, subscription fees, macro setup, micro-management, or whatever, then you both win! Congrats!!

[Xzin]

If he is boxing WoW and still has active EQ accounts then technically he beat you there too Sam.

As for looking up or down - I suggest zooming way out rather than tilting the screen. It is available under options. You want more of a Warcraft II type of setup with that many characters.

[Carnage]

Sam i find it hard to understand your pioritys in life, it seems you just want to be the best at a particular game and you want people to know / think your the best. But the fact is, you cannot buy your way to this in wow - The best would be someone who can maximise there dps output in top-end raids, and a top notch pvp'er probablly competing in esports tournaments.

You play 25+ wows at once, your just going to be known as the richest multiboxer - and i thought i get enough crap ingame for running 5 accounts...

At the end of the day, its your life you do what you enjoy - but there is no 'big and powerfull monster' in WoW for you to beat and then suddenly become the best. You need to remember just how casual WoW is compared to other games.

And i believe aelli holds the title for the best multiboxer atm, because he has done so well in 5v5 arenas ;)

[SilverSlice]

Sam i find it hard to understand your pioritys in life, it seems you just want to be the best at a particular game and you want people to know / think your the best. But the fact is, you cannot buy your way to this in wow - The best would be someone who can maximise there dps output in top-end raids, and a top notch pvp'er probablly competing in esports tournaments.

You play 25+ wows at once, your just going to be known as the richest multiboxer - and i thought i get enough crap ingame for running 5 accounts...

At the end of the day, its your life you do what you enjoy - but there is no 'big and powerfull monster' in WoW for you to beat and then suddenly become the best. You need to remember just how casual WoW is compared to other games.

And i believe aelli holds the title for the best multiboxer atm, because he has done so well in 5v5 arenas ;)

hard to get the tittle the best, considering its pve, pvp, and as a boxer i guess its even harder,
one could say someone is the best if he can solo every 5 mans isntance including heroic.
one could say 10 boxers or 2x 5 boxers are the best if they can solo all the 10 mans raids
or 25 mans boxers or group of 5 boxers for soloing 25 mans raids "in a manner of speaking solo since its more then one boxer ofc"

same with bg, or arena one can be the best within one or two area's but to be the overall best is quite so hard. but i would love to see the person who are good enough
to have 2100 raiding in arena, and solo 5 mans heroic and raids on bt/mh/sunwell level, that would be respect

[Zub]

C'mon, c'mon guys. everyone knows I'm the best.

Teh bestest !!1 even.
I'll find a screenshot for the non-believers

[Zub]

C'mon, c'mon guys. everyone knows I'm the best.

Teh bestest !!1 even.
I'll find a screenshot for the non-believers
Damn, that screenshot was on my 40GB hard drive that crashed and burned in July.
Pity. :(

[Sam DeathWalker]

I notice that no one is claiming that gamslah boxes more toons in WoW then Prepared ... gamslah didnt come in to defend himself, didnt show anything of value and in my opinion isnt even in the race.

Well ya I dont know pvp is so hard to measure. Right now ya I would say that aelli is the best pvp multi boxer, but surely when prepared hits 70 or 80 no one would claim that prepared could not kill aelli in pvp. If people are boxing 25 and more now days, then it seems the only resonable measument of who is overall best is who can solo the strongest boss mob. I mean if I have 25 level 10's and can't take out the same mob as someone with 5 level 70's well obviously the guy with 5 level 70's is ahead of me. Also that is applicable to everyone solo, 2 boxers, 5 boxers, 10 whatever. The strongest mob you can kill is how powerfull you are.

Unless boxers can meet directly on teh battlefield I don't see how pvp can be compared. You can say soandso is the best 5 man boxer or soandso is the best 3 man boxer based on arena standings. But in this game, none will argue that 25 equally geared and leveled toons are going to beat 15 almost every time. I just dont see any universal way to see who the best pvper overall is. Maybe wintergrasp might have some solution there.

The claim that "no one cares" is kinda speclitive. Go to the SS section of this forum. Or go to this thread;

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/retard-rickshaw-hall-shame/5328-who-has-top-single-person-burst-dps-server-wide.html

Where i compared my 6 guys to Furor. That thread has almost 1/4 MILLION views. The most viewed thread in the last few days on this forum, is this thread.

The most viewed thread on this whole site is the gameslah 23/46 boxing thread if iirc.

If you don't care, then why read the thread? The title is not missleading. If no one cares who is the "best" then why does wow have arena rankings, why do people show off their new mounts, or latest gear, or days played, or .....

Don't tell me that you don't play 5 so that you can feel superior to someone who plays 1 ...

"Oh no I don't play 5 so I can kill those that play 1 easy, I play 5 to umm err help starving childern, ya thats it I play 5 to help starving childern".

Your claim is like saying no one cares who wins the superbowl or the world cup lol ...


Ya IF he has 32 eq accounts, that he plays at the same time, he beats me all around, but lets see the guild and the toons first, their level and what not. Apperntly he donst have a lot of time invested in them if he is just going to give them up.... Ya ya another assumption. Well I assume Gameslah is not ligetly miltiboxing 46 and I havn't been proved wrong on that yet. Although Im not playing EQ latly my trader made 400,000 plat yesterday heh.


Im not playing in anything except first person view, I lock it into first person then unbind the zoom out key ... I want to feel I am my character. Its crazy there is no look up or look down key. Guess I have to mouse look from time to time, oh well.

Well back to the setting up, female blood elfs is looking good heh, unlike the ugly tar toons. At least my main will be decent looking.
Is anyone's computer getting 60fps all the time which distance full on? With just one wow loaded?



Also another point.

There is a thread about what people do for job.

If you work at your job, say a doctor, for 40 hours a week and multibox for 20 hours a week and someone asks you "What is your profession" do you say doctor or do you say multiboxing?

I multibox 50 hours a week and do landlord work 15 hours a week. What do you think my profesison is?

[sikerdebaard]

Im not playing in anything except first person view, I lock it into first person then unbind the zoom out key ... I want to feel I am my character. Its crazy there is no look up or look down key. Guess I have to mouse look from time to time, oh well.
Page-up / Page down. First-person is a total failure for PvP.


Is anyone's computer getting 60fps all the time which distance full on? With just one wow loaded?*shock horror* even my previous, 3-year old computer could do that...

[puppychow]

couple quick comments :

prepared: you can grant levels at 60, I personally have done this and can confirm it works. I leveled up 2 druids to 31 on two vet accounts, and granted 29 levels (the max you can grant from a single character) to each of the druids from two RAF'd level 60 shamans. Try to arrange it so you only need 100-400 xp to hit level 32, then do the grant, because you will end up 99% into level 61.

sam: get into the wotlk beta. Your ideas of dominating lake wintergrasp are not going to work. LKW has a lot of (new) mounted combat, 2-3 people will easily take out any army in LKW. There are also siege weapons. Lake Wintergrasp is not like AV or other stand-still scenarios, its heavily geared towards mounted and siege combat which will be fine for 3 boxing (the new mounts can take up to 3 people), maybe 5 boxing, but not much more.

and sam, the thread that you linked to has most people mocking you...

[Zub]

I havn't been proved wrong on that yet
Innocent until proven guilty Sam.. you're making the accusations, you're supposed to prove ;)

I think it might come as a shock, but there is no boss in wow that you can take down like that with your obvious massive one-man-army firepower. Ok, lets say kazzak or doomwalker as they are world bosses, but you'll find that you cant just go full dps on them ;)

Also, you're talking pvp like it's your accounts vs someone elses accounts.. no, it's a team vs a team. with the SAME number of toons on each side.
If a football club has more players than another, do they play with more? nope. Aelli, is betting 5 man teams, with 5 toons. In the most difficult pvp bracket. At this point (i think) he's probably the best PVP boxer. (although i've seen others at the top too, but in different battlegrounds so who knows..)


Oh no I don't play 5 so I can kill those that play 1 easy, I play 5 to umm err help starving childern, ya thats it I play 5 to help starving childern".
Sorry, this is just plain stupid.
a 5-man group can go instances, arena etc. And people DO that. it's a challenge to beat those instances
a 26/32 man group cant do shit apart staying in a zone and probably griefing young questers.

regarding the 'profession' thing...
Tell me how much money you make while multi boxing... I'm interested ;)

good night, i'm off for a sleep
-Zub

[Naysayer]

Sam i find it hard to understand your pioritys in life, it seems you just want to be the best at a particular game and you want people to know / think your the best. But the fact is, you cannot buy your way to this in wow - The best would be someone who can maximise there dps output in top-end raids, and a top notch pvp'er probablly competing in esports tournaments.

You play 25+ wows at once, your just going to be known as the richest multiboxer - and i thought i get enough crap ingame for running 5 accounts...

At the end of the day, its your life you do what you enjoy - but there is no 'big and powerfull monster' in WoW for you to beat and then suddenly become the best. You need to remember just how casual WoW is compared to other games.

And i believe aelli holds the title for the best multiboxer atm, because he has done so well in 5v5 arenas ;)I believe another #1 in their battlegroup shaman group posted the other day. They'll have to do a 6 hour best of five deathmatch to claim #1 5box pvp. Let's get it started!

[Naysayer]

Also another point.

There is a thread about what people do for job.

If you work at your job, say a doctor, for 40 hours a week and multibox for 20 hours a week and someone asks you "What is your profession" do you say doctor or do you say multiboxing?

I multibox 50 hours a week and do landlord work 15 hours a week. What do you think my profesison is?I don't think you know what the definition of the word "profession" is.

[Xzin]

gameslah didn't actually "box" though so as neat as hit setup is, his motives are not (as far as I am aware) to play the game - just run the accounts.

[Sam DeathWalker]

4 a: a calling requiring specialized knowledge and often long and intensive academic preparation b: a principal calling, vocation, or employment c: the whole body of persons engaged in a calling

No reqirement yur profesion makes money. Besides if you have a job and you lose money one year, that year its not your job?

Well thats going to be a downer if wintergrasp isnt good for 25 plus toons. I am sure I will figure out how to spread out my guys enough to not die to bombs, dont forget i can control ONE toon as good as a sinlge player so if worsts comes to worst Ill just stay in some bomb proof spot on run in one at a time. One edge of my set up is that when I do take individual control of ONE toon its in full screen mode.

If page up and page down are bound to zoom in and zoom out thats not what I want.

Ya well it wasn't easy arguing in favor of multiboxing years ago ...

Well Prepared is doing 32, and he knows a ton more about the game then I do, I doubt he is planning to waste time greifing noobs when he hits 70.

Well back to reading all about macros and lulu see if anythign usefull as far as look up or down or whaterver I stumble accross.

[Lokked]

Sam, FYI WARNING:

I noticed you said you were running WINEQ with your setup.

I'm not sure if this is a resolived issue with Innerspace-esque platforms, but WINEQ/WINEQ2 ceates and hooks a dll called....wind3d_9.dll or something like that.

Warden detects this dll and passes this along as an illegal third party client. Quite a large number of people using WINEQ were banned a couple months back for using this, although if they badgered Account Administration, they were able to get their accounts back.

At any rate, you can find blue posts which do NOT certify the use of this app.

If you are looking to resize windows, I suggest simply using wowmaximizer.exe: WoW Maximizer ('http://wow.curse.com/downloads/details/146/download/945/').

This tool works the same as Keyclone's Maximizer, except it doesn't come with a GUI to help you set it up. Its all command line.

However, if you have researched the use of WINEQ/2 with WoW and it seems fine to you, go ahead with your current plans. Just trying to help out.

PS. a profession is as simple as performing a task for which you are remunerated. The people who are bashing aspects of Sam that aren't even part of the focus of this forum (his home life, work, mental state, etc) is disgusting. Sam is not degenerating this forum. As cocky and -insert other mental analysis here- as Sam is, it is you who are reacting to said behaviours that are damaging the maturity of this thread. Quite a number of comments are not constructive at all towards whatever this thread has turned into, and I'd expect better from some of the people that have made them.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Its legal, it does LESS then Keyclone (btw even though I have decided upon wineq I strongly suggest that everyone else use Keyclone, as its vastly superior in most all respects, I have just concluded that I dont need/want key broadcasting to backgroud instances). The edge for me is that because I use it for EQ, I can keep everything exactly the same as I go back to play EQ, plus its easy to edit it in its ini file moreso then editing keyclone in its text ini file, seeing i been doing it for years. Plus Keyclone seems set up much more for tile play (which most everyone else does) instead of full screen like I do.

http://www.lavishsoft.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3947. If Wineq2 was made by anyone but LaX there would not be any worry, its just that all his other programs allow all kinds of cheating but Wineq2 is just even less then Keyclone.

Im going to have one key to switch between groups of 5. Ill then have 1 key for attack and 1 for heal.

Go to group 1 (look at main screen does Pal need a heal? Yes - hit heal key for 5 heals, No - hit attack key for 5 attacks).
Flip to group 2 same
3
4
5
1
2

Tell fight is done. No wasted mana on healing when I dont need healing. And Im killing if I dont need heals. I can flip thorugh 4 groups in eQ in 2 seconds. In wow I should be 5 groups in 3 seoncds, just in time to get back to the first group after the global cooldown is over ... I wont even have to think much cause Ill only be healing when under 20 percent anyway so 19 times out of 20 Ill be attacking.



Oh I dont know if its viable but if 1 follows 2 and 2 follows 3 and 3 follows 4 etc. then you move in a looong line and wintergrasp bombs dont kill all of you .... Har!

Also assuming all your toons are bound to the same up down left right keys you can just say spin around for a bit then move forward using just 2 keys and spead out kinda fast (as they move they will diverge almost automataclly). Then if you are using the target of target method to assist all your guys still have the main on target and you just hit a 3rd key to /follow and get back into a group for movement. Of course you might walk off cliffs and whatnot but ...

[Xzin]

Sam,

26 guys is a lot but have you thought about method to improve efficiency? It doesn't sound like your setup is able to micro manage (not that it could without automation) so how do you deal with needing to heal 5 guys in 5 different groups at once? If you heal everybody, you stop DPS and waste a TON of mana. I don't see how you could micro manage the amount of healing you will need to be doing. DPS isn't too bad. 26 times anything = gibbed anyway. But healing may be a bit tricky, aside from chain heals.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Im not they will die, or chain heal will hit them, chain will self target the lowest HP person around. IF they get it fine if not well, they die. It will be one half of what the target gets but whatever.

As long as the main is up if some die its no big deal.

Dont forget I can play ONE character perfectly, and can get to any one of mine in about 8 seconds max. So if while I am goingthough the rotatioins I see one guy low on health he can self heal causeing me about a 4 seconds delay in the rotaion (which is very bad for sure). Its far from optimal but possible. I just figure that in pvp people will focus on the Pal main and in pve the Pal main will have agro .... So he is the target of all chain heals. I supposed in PvP someone could focus on some non mains and take them out but then the main is just free to keep targeting and it becomse a dps battle, which I figure is to my advantage ...

My is set is set up for micromanagment but ONLY ONE AT A TIME, with about 8 seconds going from one to ANY of the others. Once I am "on" that character I have full and complete control just as if I was only playing one caracter.

[Steph]

...
I can flip thorugh 4 groups in eQ in 2 seconds. In wow I should be 5 groups in 3 seoncds, just in time to get back to the first group after the global cooldown is over
...

Actually, with shaman spells being on 1.5 sec global cooldown (1s for totems) you loose 50% of your potential dps by being able to issue only one command per 2 global cooldowns. I understand your concept, but it basically gimps your dps to half of what it could be - if your 3s estimation is correct. Any time lost and you gimp yourself further.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well I only plan ot use chain lightning which is a 6 seconds cooldown, anyway, so I have even more time to switch.

Ill be like 90 percent of full chaining chain lightning dps, Rotating spells for sure will more dps but well can't have everything, ... Still 24 CL will kill any single pvp oppenent, and in pve, if its like EQ, the dps limit will be based upon the Pal Agro not the max dps of the shaman.

3 s is a MAX I have timed 2 seconds consitantly in EQ for 4 switches.


Using keyclone and spamming two or three keys would probably do more dps ya. Maybe I can get my switching time lower if I really try. But you have latency build into the system as well so ...

Maybe there is a ligit legal work around to let you cast two spells from a single macro, but I havnt read it yet. Neither of those spells start the global countdown, but you cant cast both at the same time lol ... I suppose I could get 5 more toons and duel sceen them ... well when it comes time I need more dps Ill figure something out.


Oh oh, I just found out, not only am I a "multiboxer" I am also, gasp, a "keyboard turner" Oh the shame ....

[Xzin]

24 CL will kill any single pvp oppenent,

More like 8 :)
24 could probably kill a cheat death + shield wall + pain supp + 300+ resil / nature resist.

But 8 seconds to swap around? *cringe*

[Prepared]

couple quick comments :

prepared: you can grant levels at 60, I personally have done this and can confirm it works. I leveled up 2 druids to 31 on two vet accounts, and granted 29 levels (the max you can grant from a single character) to each of the druids from two RAF'd level 60 shamans. Try to arrange it so you only need 100-400 xp to hit level 32, then do the grant, because you will end up 99% into level 61.


Thanks, yes I saw that trick about getting the percentage of experience left to hit the next level right at the max so that when the grants are done, they only need to do a little bit to hit the next level. Right now they are sitting just under level 21. After my shamans are leveled up, then I'll go back and work the alts to just about 32 as you said (if I have any time left from the 3 month recruit-a-friend time).

[Cavuis]

couple quick comments :

prepared: you can grant levels at 60, I personally have done this and can confirm it works. I leveled up 2 druids to 31 on two vet accounts, and granted 29 levels (the max you can grant from a single character) to each of the druids from two RAF'd level 60 shamans. Try to arrange it so you only need 100-400 xp to hit level 32, then do the grant, because you will end up 99% into level 61.


Thanks, yes I saw that trick about getting the percentage of experience left to hit the next level right at the max so that when the grants are done, they only need to do a little bit to hit the next level. Right now they are sitting just under level 21. After my shamans are leveled up, then I'll go back and work the alts to just about 32 as you said (if I have any time left from the 3 month recruit-a-friend time).What is the point of 32.............seems like overkill.....

[Prepared]

Its legal, it does LESS then Keyclone (btw even though I have decided upon wineq I strongly suggest that everyone else use Keyclone, as its vastly superior in most all respects, I have just concluded that I dont need/want key broadcasting to backgroud instances). The edge for me is that because I use it for EQ, I can keep everything exactly the same as I go back to play EQ, plus its easy to edit it in its ini file moreso then editing keyclone in its text ini file, seeing i been doing it for years. Plus Keyclone seems set up much more for tile play (which most everyone else does) instead of full screen like I do.


Wow Sam, if you're going to be playing both WoW and EQ, it's even going to take you longer to level up in WoW. I was the same way when I started WoW from EQ. I kept playing EQ for about 1 1/2 months before I finally switched permanently to WoW. In my humble opinion, WoW is so vastly better in game play than EQ in every way. From PVP to graphics, to trains, to just everything, WoW has EQ beat. This is the reason I believe WoW has so much success. Of course it has things that the Warcraft series were based on that got it started, but the reason it has so many players is really because the game play is so much better than any other MMORPG out there (including Shadowbane - sorry Rob). I've always said that any new MMORPG released after WoW that has more differences in game play than WoW has will have that much less subscribers. This is my opinion of course, but subscription numbers tend to back that up. Other than a few bugs here and there in the game, WoW is the best there is for an MMORPG. I love playing in PVE and PVP.

But I strongly disagree with your suggestion to have everyone use Keyclone. My recommendation to anyone that boxxes multiple accounts is to use Octopus. I've stated the reasons why in other message threads and don't want to get into all of the reasons why here. Even though Octopus isn't being further developed, it still is in my opinion the best multibox program available now.

[Prepared]

couple quick comments :

prepared: you can grant levels at 60, I personally have done this and can confirm it works. I leveled up 2 druids to 31 on two vet accounts, and granted 29 levels (the max you can grant from a single character) to each of the druids from two RAF'd level 60 shamans. Try to arrange it so you only need 100-400 xp to hit level 32, then do the grant, because you will end up 99% into level 61.


Thanks, yes I saw that trick about getting the percentage of experience left to hit the next level right at the max so that when the grants are done, they only need to do a little bit to hit the next level. Right now they are sitting just under level 21. After my shamans are leveled up, then I'll go back and work the alts to just about 32 as you said (if I have any time left from the 3 month recruit-a-friend time).What is the point of 32.............seems like overkill.....


The point of 32 is to destroy Stormwind and Ironforge (with a little help from others not just me and my boxxed characters) using 32 Fire Elementals and 96 totems right in the center of town. That's the entire reason I am boxxing 32 right now. My goal is to get to level 70 and get some PvP gear and destroy the Alliance on Aegwynn. It's really funny because Aegwynn apparently aren't used to seeing boxxers around. I get the 'WTF is this?' message all of the time. :)

[Naysayer]

using 32 Fire Elementals

Video lag from the elemental alone will kill most PCs.haha

"why do you box 100 shaman?"
"because I can drop 400 totems, 100 elementals, and spam lightning shield until the entire zone freezes and goes offline. It's like shooting fish in a barrel."

[Zub]

because I can drop 400 totems, 100 elementals, and spam lightning shield until the entire zone freezes and goes offline. It's like shooting fish in a barrel."
Why bother with 4 totem clicks when you can crash everything by using your Barov Peasant Caller ;)
Damn i'd love to kill a 70 just with this trinket x 32.

[Xzin]

Make sure you summon pets beforehand too.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well I wont be playing eq much for 3 months but Im not abondoning goals that i have had for 6 or so years. There is so much more left to do in EQ. Maybe the moeny will force me to but maybe not, I have close to 300 days in my guys, in game, and probably the same aruging with people out of game. Im not throwing that in the trash. EQ gets better all the time. They come out with expansions that are better each release. They have mercenaries in teh next expansion. Sides, I am playing the bazzar game, making like 200K a day or so ... Besides a LOT of people have quit wow to return to EQ so its not like everyone thinks wow is better. Sides 24 guys is only 200 a month. Big deal ....

EQ is much harder and way less boxer friendly, you dont automatically kill people there like here. A good group of 6 will dismantle me in 20 seconds in EQ even though I have 24. I dont see that happening here.

Also wow looks so fake, EQ looks like a real world. And who wants their toons to look like cows (more reason to play in first person) ... Still ya wow has done a lot of things right.

If wow didnt have so many more players I would not have come to wow, but Im not well known in wow and its time to step into the most popular mmo.

i don't know anything about octopus but if its not being supported anymore well ...

Ya dont you get like 4000 honor points or whatever they are if you kill the ironforge boss? Inst that the dwarfs I thought like 1000 guards come and it cant be done?

[Zub]

you do get some honor, but it's a drop in the ocean that alterac valley can give you. And usually the city tends to lag up and die when too many people are around, and it becomes a lag fest where winners are non-target AOEs.

[Zub]

did you get any levels up on your team Sam?
I guess the starting macros and stuff will take the longest, i would really suggest you start with a group of 3/5 and have a feel first, get it working and maybe level them to 10 (90 minutes maybe), then replicate all settings on your other 4/5 groups and level them to 10 as well.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Ironforge has been a thorn in the side of the Horde for a long time and its time to destroy the threat. More Fuel Horde!


Iv got three macros written, I write them out of game in the ini files then copy the files to all 6 computers. "copy muppy" does it really fast once you set it up. I just put my best offensive spell in action bar slot one and hte best heal in 2, and i dont have to rewrite everything as I level. Im in no rush, setting everything up perfect saves time in the long run. DOnt find a way to look up and down with the keybaord, really sux on that one.

Hope they work lol: Those things on the first line of each macro is just the name / icon.

MACRO 3 "follow" Spell_Holy_WeaponMastery
/target SamDeathwkzz
/follow
END
MACRO 1 "HARM" Ability_Creature_Cursed_02
/target SamDeathwkzz
/click [target=targettarget, harm] ActionBarButton1
END
MACRO 2 "Heal" Ability_Druid_Dreamstate
/target SamDeathwkzz
/click ActionBarButton2
END

[Leon]

Also wow looks so fake, EQ looks like a real world. And who wants their toons to look like cows (more reason to play in first person) ... Still ya wow has done a lot of things right.
Um, do tell more on what makes it so fake?
Its a well created virtual world, it has a different graphical style to other games yes, but its no less fake than any other.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well with the bright colors and the fact nothing looks worn, and nothing looks constructed like you would expect, I just dont get a feel that Im in a real place (well I havn't seen hardly anything though), EQ looks like a real world, dark, broken but places of wonder also. Its more photo realistic whereas WoW is like a big cartoon. Thats the way to say it, its like yur in a cartoon world.

[merujo]

i know exactly what sam is trying to say. But im a huge fan of the artwork on warcraft, and love the way things exist. Like buildings, dungeons, i like how it looks. But what i like more is how everything on the game is tuned and showed to u. I dunno...i love farming low droprate items... or leveling professions

But i had some ppl that i know, saying it looks like a cartoon, and that it sucks. Only for that reason, they stopped playing wow.

They are the same playing AoC, so... i guess they pretty much ignore what a mmo really is, and play only for graphics.

[Prepared]

You boxed 32 at the same time in EQ1 and no one has ever heard of you? Well I guess some prefer a lower profile, what the EQ 1 guild yur in or is there a list of your toons someplace? Why would you let your EQ1 toons expire?





The guild I was in on Everquest was called Surreal on Maelin Starpyre. I don't think they're around any longer. I believe they merged with some other guild. Some of the members of the guild called Sequel may remember me. My main was named Smoke. He was my Warrior tank. One of the players that are probably still playing which will know about me was a Shadow Knight named Emeraldfury.



I will let my Everquest accounts expire in October of this year because:

1. I don't play it any longer and haven't played since February 2007.

2. I don't believe in selling accounts (it's against rules of the makers of the games)

3. I am focusing efforts on WoW and so that's where some of my money goes now :)

4. I don't have the most recent 2 expansions on any of my EQ1 accounts. All of my characters are level 75 or less. I stopped playing about February of last year before the last two expansions were released. Some of my accounts don't even have the last 3 expansions.

5. I believe EQ1 is a severly outdated game. Sure they've added a lot of things since March 16th 1999, I know, I played it for almost 8 years. They've added things in each expansion. But the base game code with slow zoning, training, auto-follow, etc is still intact which is a bad game design to todays standards. Back on March 16th 1999 when it was the only 3d mmorpg available, it was cutting edge even with the poor graphics that it had then (to todays standards).



By the way, please don't get offended but I'd never heard of you either and you claim you box 25 characters in Everquest.

[Prepared]

Here are the pictures of my computer set up.

This first picture is the one that shows all of my computer screens with the exception of one to the left that doesn't show in this picture. It's on the next picture.

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/7728/mycomputers023vb4.th.jpg ('http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mycomputers023vb4.jpg')


With the configuration above, I have access to all of my computers keyboards and mice which is the way I like it. I've also got battery back ups for all of the equipment so that if a power failure happens, I stay connected for up to about 30 minutes.

The following picture is the same set of computer screens from a different angle to show the one to the far left.

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/710/mycomputers022fo5.th.jpg ('http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mycomputers022fo5.jpg')

[Lorune]

damn dude your desk needs a cleanup :)

but damn hell sick setup :p

[Bena]

Prepared.. respect dude! lol that's some nerd pron right there heh

have you tried using Synergy? it would save you desk space from all those keyboards/mice

[Xzin]

Nice!!!


How hot does it get??

[Prepared]

Nice!!!


How hot does it get??

[Prepared]

Nice!!!


How hot does it get??



Look at the second picture and you'll see the bottom of the air conditioner for the room. :) It's VERY cool.

[zanthor]

The amusing part is by only using chain lightning you basically guarantee the need for more characters... using a fraction of the abilities of each shaman will only magnify the failure...

[Crayonbox]

I am a nerd. I just popped a boner looking at those 2 screenshots.

I have the same HP laptop you have prepared. Course I only have 1 of them. And they get a bit too hot for my liking to carry around. Like yourself I use it as a permanent place on my desk. I bought a smaller dell laptop for my daily mobile needs.

[Zub]

lol, this is crazy >.<
ow, and WHY ISN'T THERE A CAT SLEEPING ON THE PICTURE ??? It's a tradition!

I DEMAND A CAT

[Yeti Detective Agency]

Awesome setup Prepared!

[Yamio]

Prepared,

I see nothing but beauty in your setup.

[Naysayer]

Well with the bright colors and the fact nothing looks worn, and nothing looks constructed like you would expect, I just dont get a feel that Im in a real place (well I havn't seen hardly anything though), EQ looks like a real world, dark, broken but places of wonder also. Its more photo realistic whereas WoW is like a big cartoon. Thats the way to say it, its like yur in a cartoon world.Why did you skip EQ2?

[Zub]

WoW is like a big cartoon
Well, this can't come as a surpise.. After all Warcraft, Warcraft 2, Warcraft III all looked pretty much the same, and the 28 zillion screenshots of world of warcraft on internet kinda help as well.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well it seems I beat prepared at EQ: This is my guild/crew:

http://eqplayers.station.sony.com/guild_profile.vm?guildId=631360193720 ('http://eqplayers.station.sony.com/guild_profile.vm?guildId=631360193720')

He's ahead of me in WoW but I win EQ so ....

I use ONE keyboard, and ONE mouse. I never have to move my body at all, just my arms at the most to get FULL 100 percent control of any of my 26 guys in under 8 seconds. I think we can assume from your setup if someone just shouted random characters of yours to control you would not be able to get to them in under 8 seconds by any means. And I think its also clear you cannot play over 4 hours a day consistantly with that set up without nuermous achs and pains. I mean you have to turn your head to see the other monitors .... I just glance up and ot the right at the farthest, i can touch all my screens while facing the main one.

Of course you get their best spells cast all at the same time, whereas it would take me 3 seconds to do the same ...

If you offered to trade me your set up for mine I would take the opportunity to decline.

We do agree on something though if yur using a logitech trackball, well thats what I use also. The less mass you have to move the less strain on your body.

Rereading this post it does sound "harsh" but I mean how do you say things without making statements of facts sound umm "argumentitive" or "uncivil" or whatever. Me and prepared are the top two boxers, number wise and competition is benificial and welcome by both I am sure. Certianlly if one of us did not exist there would be little incentive for the other to box even more then 32 ...

If the Giants claimed to be a better football team then the Patriats because they won the superbowl would they be "uncivil". Prepared says Octopus is better then Keyclone is he being "uncivil" to Keyclone?

[Nitro]

Well it seems I beat prepared at EQ: This is my guild/crew:

http://eqplayers.station.sony.com/guild_profile.vm?guildId=631360193720 ('http://eqplayers.station.sony.com/guild_profile.vm?guildId=631360193720')

He's ahead of me in WoW but I win EQ so ....

I use ONE keyboard, and ONE mouse. I never have to move my body at all, just my arms at the most to get FULL 100 percent control of any of my 26 guys in under 8 seconds. I think we can assume from your setup if someone just shouted random characters of yours to control you would not be able to get to them in under 8 seconds by any means. And I think its also clear you cannot play over 4 hours a day consistantly with that set up without nuermous achs and pains. I mean you have to turn your head to see the other monitors .... I just glance up and ot the right at the farthest, i can touch all my screens while facing the main one.

Of course you get their best spells cast all at the same time, whereas it would take me 3 seconds to do the same ...

If you offered to trade me your set up for mine I would take the opportunity to decline.

We do agree on something though if yur using a logitech trackball, well thats what I use also. The less mass you have to move the less strain on your body.

Rereading this post it does sound "harsh" but I mean how do you say things without making statements of facts sound umm "argumentitive" or "uncivil" or whatever. Me and prepared are the top two boxers, number wise and competition is benificial and welcome by both I am sure. Certianlly if one of us did not exist there would be little incentive for the other to box even more then 32 ...

If the Giants claimed to be a better football team then the Patriats because they won the superbowl would they be "uncivil". Prepared says Octopus is better then Keyclone is he being "uncivil" to Keyclone?

You can either be like Xzin and just talk about yoursetup or you can man-up like the rest of us and post it. Pics or it didnt happen, lets see your setup.

And all this top boxer stuff dont count till your 70 btw :P

[Zub]

"LoOOK at me! I'm better than him! look! , please?
Someone please look at me, i'm better than him there. See? THERE! "

This attention-whoring is vastly amusing, but it is getting old real fast though.

Everytime Prep puts something online, you go and nit-pick random stuff to try and state you are better somewhere. You're missing the point, you need to get to 70. (or 30 EVEN :-)
It's like if i went to Michel Phelps and told him "yeah, well you won the race, but my swimsuit is much better than yours because it has this and this. So I win as swimsuits go."
I think Michael Phelps would go for a good laugh and give my a tap on the shoulder and say "Good boy"



I personaly don't think Prepared changes machines all the time, he's probably using assist/follows macros like most everybody else on this forums, meaning he only has to control the ONE toon, on his main screen. The rest of the screens are probably just to accept quests and stuff, or for emergencies.
Plus, not playing in FPS view allows to see all your characters >.<



Rereading this post it does sound "harsh" but I mean how do you say things without making statements of facts sound umm "argumentitive" or "uncivil" or whatever. Me and prepared are the top two boxers, number wise and competition is benificial and welcome by both I am sure. Certianlly if one of us did not exist there would be little incentive for the other to box even more then 32 ...
From what i've read from Prep, i'm not sure he's racing or competing lol, seems he's just doing this for FUN. *gasp*

My definition of Top-Boxers would be different. I would rather go for goals in the game. Like those guys who box heroics or raids or arenas, those are the top boxers in my opinion, as it takes alot of skill and patience.
Having bought 28 zilion copies of WOW/EQ/etc doesn't make anyone the Top-Boxer, it only makes them Top MMO spender.

Then again, that's only MY opinion.
If you want to claim the title of "Top-Boxer" (you seem to like titles) go for it, i personaly dont care lol.


I wonder if Prepared will try some level 60 40-man raids when he reaches outland.

[Korruptor]

That's one freaking nice setup Prepared!!!! :thumbup:

[Naysayer]

Me and prepared are the top two boxers, number wise and competition is benificial and welcome by both I am sure. To put it bluntly, my 5 year old sister could kill your whole raid in about 2 seconds. Level up, and/or shut up.


All talk and no action. Are you even level 5 yet?

Let us know when you are past trial account max level.


No offense, but I'm getting bored of all the talk.

[Naysayer]

This attention-whoring is vastly amusing, but it is getting old real fast though.^^ this

[Zub]

This attention-whoring is vastly amusing, but it is getting old real fast though.^^ this
No, THIS! ;p

[Zub]

Sam / Prepared, do you guys have a Blog for this Lotsa-Wow project?

A blog is a good way to give information, without the whole i'm-better-than-thou stuff, and i'm sure a great number of people in this community would love checking on your ~regular updates.
I know i would.

just a thought.
-Zub

[Prepared]

Well it seems I beat prepared at EQ: This is my guild/crew:

http://eqplayers.station.sony.com/guild_profile.vm?guildId=631360193720

He's ahead of me in WoW but I win EQ so ....

I use ONE keyboard, and ONE mouse. I never have to move my body at all, just my arms at the most to get FULL 100 percent control of any of my 26 guys in under 8 seconds. I think we can assume from your setup if someone just shouted random characters of yours to control you would not be able to get to them in under 8 seconds by any means. And I think its also clear you cannot play over 4 hours a day consistantly with that set up without nuermous achs and pains. I mean you have to turn your head to see the other monitors .... I just glance up and ot the right at the farthest, i can touch all my screens while facing the main one.

Of course you get their best spells cast all at the same time, whereas it would take me 3 seconds to do the same ...

If you offered to trade me your set up for mine I would take the opportunity to decline.

We do agree on something though if yur using a logitech trackball, well thats what I use also. The less mass you have to move the less strain on your body.

Rereading this post it does sound "harsh" but I mean how do you say things without making statements of facts sound umm "argumentitive" or "uncivil" or whatever. Me and prepared are the top two boxers, number wise and competition is benificial and welcome by both I am sure. Certianlly if one of us did not exist there would be little incentive for the other to box even more then 32 ...

If the Giants claimed to be a better football team then the Patriats because they won the superbowl would they be "uncivil". Prepared says Octopus is better then Keyclone is he being "uncivil" to Keyclone?

More assumptions. During game play, I use one keyboard and mouse, especially during PvP. And I would NEVER ask anyone to trade set ups. That's ridiculous.

Whatever winning EQ means to you Sam, that's fine with me. Whatever winning WoW means to you Sam, that's also fine with me. I'm here to play WoW right now and have fun in the game. Everyones a winner to what they believe are the criteria for winning is.

[Prepared]

Sam / Prepared, do you guys have a Blog for this Lotsa-Wow project?

A blog is a good way to give information, without the whole i'm-better-than-thou stuff, and i'm sure a great number of people in this community would love checking on your ~regular updates.
I know i would.

just a thought.
-Zub


Zub, please don't put me in the same category as the 'i'm better-than-thou stuff'. I'm not making any statements here at any point in this message thread about that. People asked me to post my pics so I did. People asked me about my EQ characters so I posted the information about it. I didn't create this message thread to begin with. I'd rather keep this all low as too much exposure means a lot will create problems for me in the game which is where I don't want problems to be. I play WoW because I enjoy playing it. I didn't create 32 characters to be anything other than I had the cash to do it and I wanted to have fun with that many characters. I can afford to play even more but I figure 32 is a good number to do what I want to do which is progress on a PvP realm without some high level coming in and ganking me and camping my corpse over and over. Right now some of the 70's can and have done that but that won't be for long :)

[Prepared]

I personaly don't think Prepared changes machines all the time, he's probably using assist/follows macros like most everybody else on this forums, meaning he only has to control the ONE toon, on his main screen. The rest of the screens are probably just to accept quests and stuff, or for emergencies.
Plus, not playing in FPS view allows to see all your characters >.<


I wonder if Prepared will try some level 60 40-man raids when he reaches outland.

You're right, I don't change machines. I use focus on which toon I want to assist off. It's usually one of the leaders of each of the 8 groups that I have a macro to make the focus. Then I use the following:

#showtooltip

/follow focus

/assist focus

/startattack

/cast Flame Shock



All of that can be put into one key press which the game allows for a macro because it doesn't affect the global cooldown other than the cast at the end. That means all of the toons can face the right direction, assist the focus, attack the same target and cast all with one key press. Most macros I've seen people post on here have an assist button and a cast button which is not necessary in WoW, it can be done all in one keypress which is very important for PvP battles.

I am not planning to do any instances in WoW until I get to level 70. Right now, it's just grind to level 70 as much as I can, avoid the ganking and then get some PvP gear when I get to level 70 so I can raid Stormwind. :)

[Zub]

Sam / Prepared, do you guys have a Blog for this Lotsa-Wow project?

A blog is a good way to give information, without the whole i'm-better-than-thou stuff, and i'm sure a great number of people in this community would love checking on your ~regular updates.
I know i would.

just a thought.
-Zub


Zub, please don't put me in the same category as the 'i'm better-than-thou stuff'. I'm not making any statements here at any point in this message thread about that. People asked me to post my pics so I did. People asked me about my EQ characters so I posted the information about it. I didn't create this message thread to begin with. I'd rather keep this all low as too much exposure means a lot will create problems for me in the game which is where I don't want problems to be. I play WoW because I enjoy playing it. I didn't create 32 characters to be anything other than I had the cash to do it and I wanted to have fun with that many characters. I can afford to play even more but I figure 32 is a good number to do what I want to do which is progress on a PvP realm without some high level coming in and ganking me and camping my corpse over and over. Right now some of the 70's can and have done that but that won't be for long :)
Sorry, didn't mean to offend.
I just thought blogs might be good solution for the community to see your improvements in the game, both Sam and you.
And the blogs being separate, it would automatically avoid any "i'm better than thou" sentiment that *could* arise like on these forums (the whole competition thing ;)

I know i'm very interested to see how you guys will manage the inevitable hurdles that are coming your way (as in in-game hurdles/challenges etc, for example the mount money issue i mentioned in an earlier post or handling gankers, etc) as you two seem to have a very different approach, character and motivation. But if you prefer the low profile, it's cool as well

[edit]: Can't spell.

[Sam DeathWalker]

As stated: "He's ahead of me in WoW but I win EQ so ...."



My definition of Top-Boxers would be different. I would rather go for goals in the game. Like those guys who box heroics or raids or arenas, those are the top boxers in my opinion, as it takes alot of skill and patience.
Having bought 28 zilion copies of WOW/EQ/etc doesn't make anyone the Top-Boxer, it only makes them Top MMO spender.

I agree, like I say I think the best comparison is who takes down the strongest pve mob and Im not even in the running, yet. Just talking only about who has the most accounts right now and comparing me to prepared in eq and wow, I fully agree that in WoW Im zero at this time.

And those who say level up, less talk more action is right also.


I don't agree that Prepared is not in for competition and just for "fun" lol, given his prior "who has the most WoW boxes" post .... but as he says he didnt start the thread and is resonablly responding to request made of him.

Ill be throwing out all my pics and videos etc. on SamDeathWalker.com at some point in the future (not much to show at this point with some level 1 toons I am sure you will agree), and ALL will be revealed (like I said Ill have 1440x1080 acvhd videos of me actully playing-not in game video but from a camera behind me), of course there might be a minor 69 or 99 cent charge (one year membership) so that I can turn my calling into a profession, as I am sure you understand.

Well back to the grind of getting the macros set up.


I guess you should put follow and assist and cast in the same macro, good idea (although I use click instead of cast), will test it in a few mintues.



Remember early in the post when I said that it was interesting that he dosn't have a mellee, you can see from his set up why.

Also regardless of what many feel about the "better then thou" stuffs, this thread is unquestionably an interested read for everyone no matter how you slice it.



as in in-game hurdles/challenges etc, for example the mount money issue i mentioned in an earlier post or handling gankers, etc

Well my experience in EQ is that tradeskills is the way to go for money problems, after the 3 months of leveling is done Ill check out that route. Gankers is handeld by playing at 3 A.M. when no one is online at some out of way place, those whose calling is WoW/EQ can play whenever they wish.

First step is to milk RAF 3X exp to the max then consider then next step at that point.

[Carnage]

Me and prepared are the top two boxers, number wise and competition is benificial and welcome by both I am sure. No your not, the top boxers are the people who have managed to suceed in differnt aspects of the game : Aelli + many others in PvP for example. The top boxer is not who is running the most charecters, any fool with a job could make enough computers to power 50+ wows at once, and then setup 50+ trial accounts. Quantity means nothing to me, it seems to me that the only reason your spending all this money sam is so you can become 'the best solo wow player' and then claim all your 'epeen', hate to break it to you - but multiboxing is not solo, you are still 5+ or in your case 25+ wow charecters - just because you can kill for example hogger while multiboxing 5 does not mean you solo'd him ;)

If these kind of posts are all your gonna make, then im just gonna stop reading them :)

EDIT: prepared, awesome setup - that airconditioner you have - how does it work? :P i need something like that ;)

[Zub]

I have to say Sam, the image on the home page of your website explains sooooo much ;-)

[OzPhoenix]

I'm surprised to see anyone on these forums repeating the anti-multiboxers chant that we do what we do to feel superior to single-boxers.

I 5 box to enjoy Wow - it makes me no better nor worse than any other WoW player, so Sam, with all due respect, please don't go assigning motives to other multiboxers when you claim that one of the reasons to do it is to feel superior to single boxers.

Other than that, more power to the both of you - personally I can't see any (practical) reason to go beyond 10 boxing in WoW given the way the game works, but it's all different strokes for different folks as far as I can see.

[Sam DeathWalker]

No your not, the top boxers are the people who have managed to suceed in differnt aspects of the game : Aelli + many others in PvP for example. The top boxer is not who is running the most charecters, any fool with a job could make enough computers to power 50+ wows at once, and then setup 50+ trial accounts. Quantity means nothing to me, it seems to me that the only reason your spending all this money sam is so you can become 'the best solo wow player' and then claim all your 'epeen', hate to break it to you - but multiboxing is not solo, you are still 5+ or in your case 25+ wow charecters - just because you can kill for example hogger while multiboxing 5 does not mean you solo'd him

I stated it wrong. Let me restate: "top two boxers, as far as number of accounts go, which really dosnt mean all that much", I thought that was clear from the context but ....

You are very correct that others are much superior in pvp, such as Aelli, then either me or Prepared at this time. And you are very right that many other boxers have taken out stonger mobs then me or Prepared and are thus also better at pve, at this time.

The other part where "you did not solo him if you played 5 boxes" has been hashed to death elsewhere. Call it "5 box solo" or "25 box solo" or whatever. If you are one human it is "solo", or call it "1 box solo" if you did it with one character. When you compare two people playing the game you compare everything they have in the game vs. everything you have in the game. When you pvp an oppenent do you take off 1/2 your gear if they have worse gear then you to make it "fair", if you are of higher level then them do you de level before you fight them? I think not. So if you don't take off 1/2 your gear when attacking less geared players then I don't plan to log 1/2 of my guys when I attack you.

[Tasty]

I wish you'd all just shut up and level so I can see you pewpew some hordies :P (or alliance)

[Sam DeathWalker]

Heh ... ya well really. Still you don't get well known just leveling. Unless you post who will become knowledgeable of your achivments ... Of course I post way to much but ...


Allience is a tough competitor, only those who are properly PREPARED will stand a chanch against such odds. Teh Mighty DeathWalker will build up his power to an unstoppable tsunami that will wash away the Allience and free ummm well whoever from their reign of terror!

More Fuel Horde! (copyright 2008 Sam Ferris)

[Draz]

So Prepared is the single top WoW active boxer number wise, where as I am the top MMO active boxer number wise with 50 total accounts (24 in EQ and 26 in WoW).


Whatever it takes to make you feel better about yourself Sam, you crazy retard you!

[Lorune]

Ill be throwing out all my pics and videos etc. on SamDeathWalker.com at some point in the future (not much to show at this point with some level 1 toons I am sure you will agree), and ALL will be revealed (like I said Ill have 1440x1080 acvhd videos of me actully playing-not in game video but from a camera behind me), of course there might be a minor 69 or 99 cent charge (one year membership) so that I can turn my calling into a profession, as I am sure you understand.
So your even intending to charge people to watch screenshots / movies ?

I hope you burn in hell. Your arrogant, annoying and last but not least ignorant of what WoW is for kind of a game.

Even though i applaud mass multiboxing i honestly hope someone waves the banstick over your sorry ass on this forum.

I rather see 1000 "I NEED HELP BUT CBA TO READ WIKI" posts then i have to see 1 more of your "My dick is bigger then your dick so i am cooler" posts.

[Xzin]

Even I have to lol @ the business plan that is charging $0.99 via credit card, given the state of the VISA/MC/Discover cartel. Let alone to watch somebody play WoW. Good luck with those $0.35 minimum fees and 2 - 3% on top of that. What you do is neat Sam and hopefully those two half million dollar properties have not gone down in value so much that you have to "charge for admission" because asking people to pay $0.99 per year is 1) not likely to work very well from a practical perspective and 2) not likely to actually work either.

[Kyudo]

Do we have an in house psychiatrist? I think one is needed here....

[Zub]

The other part where "you did not solo him if you played 5 boxes" has been hashed to death elsewhere. Call it "5 box solo" or "25 box solo" or whatever. If you are one human it is "solo", or call it "1 box solo" if you did it with one character. When you compare two people playing the game you compare everything they have in the game vs. everything you have in the game. When you pvp an oppenent do you take off 1/2 your gear if they have worse gear then you to make it "fair", if you are of higher level then them do you de level before you fight them? I think not. So if you don't take off 1/2 your gear when attacking less geared players then I don't plan to log 1/2 of my guys when I attack you.

Sam, hum, not sure how it works in EQ, but i'll have fun watching you 'DUEL' people. Ow, yeah Duels are 1 vs 1, you know, like in a normal fight ;-) 1 Chain lightning every 6 seconds is not going to cut in i tell you ;)

Also, i put an example regarding fights/matches in one of my previous posts. i'll rephrase it here.
Lets say one soccer club ("SAM") has 26 players, and another soccer club ("ZUB") has only 11 . Well, in soccer you basically play 11vs11 sometimes less, never more.
So basically team SAM would need to pick its best 11 to fight team ZUB.
Obviously a soccer match where one team has 11 players and the other 25 would seem ludicrous, and people would laugh at the suggestion.

Aelli, which you cite as an example, plays in the 5vs5 arena with 5 toons, against 5 toons. Comparing you fighting with 26 toons against any other number of enemies is ludicrous.
it's not the number of people that counts, it's the number of toons. It is OBVIOUS any group of 5+ will kill a single player. This doesn't take skill (or class), just money.


Ow and good luck 'taking out stonger mobs' with a multiboxed team. You might get a shock when you get to the level, but those mobs do not exist in WoW.
Unless you are talking raids, where the fights are complex, where you need dedicated healers, *several* tanks, a class make-up and separate positions/movements.

Then again, it seems all you really want is not to kill any mob, you just want to people to look at you and go 'whoa'. Since i'm going 'meh, pfff, sigh' now i think it is time for me to leave this thread.
regarding the Pay-o-see-my-awesome-screenshots, "I would take the opportunity to decline".
I'll look at the ones from Prepared :-) after all, HE has an extra 6 toons! (and he doesn't seem as epeen-able)

[Havelcek]

The main difference between Prepared and Sam from what I can see is that Prepared is actually playing the game =P

[Naysayer]

More assumptions. During game play, I use one keyboard and mouse, especially during PvP. And I would NEVER ask anyone to trade set ups. That's ridiculous.

Whatever winning EQ means to you Sam, that's fine with me. Whatever winning WoW means to you Sam, that's also fine with me. I'm here to play WoW right now and have fun in the game. Everyones a winner to what they believe are the criteria for winning is.Don't get all "goody goody two-shoes" on us. You're the one who made the thread about wanting to know who has the most boxed accounts in WoW was. You're not fooling anyone, bucko.

[Otlecs]

@Prepared:

I know you wanted to just get on with the fun of playing the game - and I both applaud and respect that immensely - but the cat's out of the bag now, so any hope you had of a quiet life is long gone :)

So how about a Blog?

What you're doing (actually *doing*, not talking about) is unique and interesting to alot of people here. I know it's a big ask for you to invest time into writing anything up, but I bet you'd find a few fanbois around here!

Where do I sign up?

8)

[Ken]

Do we have an in house psychiatrist? I think one is needed here....

Do you really think that this Sam-person is real? I still haven't ready *anything* that can convince me that he is. Every little suggestion and evidence points out he is not (his lack of knowledge of WoW, his website, his commitment, etc. etc.)

[Tasty]

Do we have an in house psychiatrist? I think one is needed here....

Do you really think that this Sam-person is real? I still haven't ready *anything* that can convince me that he is. Every little suggestion and evidence points out he is not (his lack of knowledge of WoW, his website, his commitment, etc. etc.)

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh56/NevadaWildcard/Hadoken.jpg

[Korruptor]

@Prepared:

I know you wanted to just get on with the fun of playing the game - and I both applaud and respect that immensely - but the cat's out of the bag now, so any hope you had of a quiet life is long gone :)

So how about a Blog?

What you're doing (actually *doing*, not talking about) is unique and interesting to alot of people here. I know it's a big ask for you to invest time into writing anything up, but I bet you'd find a few fanbois around here!

Where do I sign up?

8)Ditto! :D

[Sam DeathWalker]

Even I have to lol @ the business plan that is charging $0.99 via credit card, given the state of the VISA/MC/Discover cartel. Let alone to watch somebody play WoW. Good luck with those $0.35 minimum fees and 2 - 3% on top of that. What you do is neat Sam and hopefully those two half million dollar properties have not gone down in value so much that you have to "charge for admission" because asking people to pay $0.99 per year is 1) not likely to work very well from a practical perspective and 2) not likely to actually work either.

https://www.paypal.com/IntegrationCenter/ic_micropayments.html ('https://www.paypal.com/IntegrationCenter/ic_micropayments.html')


Do you really think that this Sam-person is real? I still haven't ready *anything* that can convince me that he is. Every little suggestion and evidence points out he is not (his lack of knowledge of WoW, his website, his commitment, etc. etc.)

Ya they said I was a fool in EQ for years and years also but (read down about 1/2 way):

http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/posts/list.m?topic_id=133048

and

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/retard-rickshaw/35500-deathwalker-plans-26-boxing-wow.html (I have the 3rd highest positive rateing of ALL posters at FoH plus 77 internets, click on my profile to see comments)


I hope you burn in hell. Your arrogant, annoying and last but not least ignorant of what WoW is for kind of a game.

First people laugh at me when I say gaming is my profession, because I don't make any money at it, then when I try to make a bit of paper off the deal they say I should burn in hell. Hum... Can't please everyone I guess.

[Draz]

More assumptions. During game play, I use one keyboard and mouse, especially during PvP. And I would NEVER ask anyone to trade set ups. That's ridiculous.

Whatever winning EQ means to you Sam, that's fine with me. Whatever winning WoW means to you Sam, that's also fine with me. I'm here to play WoW right now and have fun in the game. Everyones a winner to what they believe are the criteria for winning is.Don't get all "goody goody two-shoes" on us. You're the one who made the thread about wanting to know who has the most boxed accounts in WoW was. You're not fooling anyone, bucko.If your trying to compare ego, there is no comparison. I HAVE THE SINGLE MOST DPS IN ALL OF EQ HISTORY!!!!!!!!!! RAWR!!!!!!!!

[merujo]

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/retard-rickshaw/35500-deathwalker-plans-26-boxing-wow.html (I have the 3rd highest positive rateing of ALL posters at FoH plus 77 internets, click on my profile to see comments)

lol spare some internets for us.

[Sam DeathWalker]

I don't know whats with everyone down on me for bragging or comparing here are threads on the first page of the forum right now, these people are NOT bragging, then what exactly is the purpose of any of these 4 posts?

Finally hit 70 on my squad !!! ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=12782&')

Highest instance with 3? ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=12751')

Muti-Boxing "DING" Thread ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=890')

I belive i'm the first linux multiboxer? ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=12691')

[Xzin]

Do we have an in house psychiatrist? I think one is needed here....

Do you really think that this Sam-person is real? I still haven't ready *anything* that can convince me that he is. Every little suggestion and evidence points out he is not (his lack of knowledge of WoW, his website, his commitment, etc. etc.)

I believe Sam is real. His claims about owning a million dollars of real estate are less verified. His WHOIS points to a house worth about 120k in the suburbs of CA. Maybe he lives there and owns the property but it just seems... off. I like Sam and the idea of pushing the game to the limit and seeing how far you can go but I am not sure it all adds up.

Not that it matters. I think what Sam and everybody else here is doing is great. Although the hooker thing *IS* a bit odd.

I also think that Sam's concept of WoW, coming into it from EQ may be a bit skewed as to how it will translate and what his goals are. I think he will have fun but I am not sure that he understands the nuances of exactly how this will all play out. I could do 25 or 30 or even 40 accounts at once. But I don't and will not because there is no point. Tier 1 is over and the game has moved in a different direction.

[Korruptor]

I don't know whats with everyone down on me for bragging or comparing here are threads on the first page of the forum right now, these people are NOT bragging, then what exactly is the purpose of any of these 4 posts?

Finally hit 70 on my squad !!! ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=12782&')

Highest instance with 3? ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=12751')

Muti-Boxing "DING" Thread ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=890')

I belive i'm the first linux multiboxer? ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=12691')It's a community for people to encourage and provide tips/advice to help each other.

Saying "Finally hit 70 on my squad !!! ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=12782&')" is NOT bragging, it's merly an expression of excitement for the work that was involved and it serves to help others to see that lvling to 70 with not 1 but 5 toons is doable and to keep pressing on.

On the other hand, Sam, your comments are poisonous in the fact that you breath unhealthy competition and attempt to put yourself above others.

[BobGnarly]

There is a very clear difference between wanting to share your success with other people who are interested in the things you do, and wanting to lord your supremacy over everyone as is clearly your goal.

I, personally, am FAAAR more impressed by the guy who just comes along one day talking about his efforts soloing Karazhan than I will ever be by your posturing and contriving ways in which you are (soon to be) "the top" at something. You steal the thunder of your own accomplishments by sitting around carping about them before hand. Not to mention that talk's cheap.

When you have characters that are actually able to do something in the game, and further have actually done something in the game, then come back and brag to us about it, k? Until then, you aren't the top two anything - except maybe braggart.

[Lance]

This thread is brilliant. I love it how sam really does care how he's not the "top" boxer. Although he brought in his eq accounts to prove he is. Genius! Keep it up sam please this is funny! :thumbsup:

[Tonuss]

Sam is easier to tolerate if you just recognize that he is talking to himself, out loud. Yes, it's ego-driven. But it's just his way of approaching games. It doesn't bug me because that's how I view him. Yes, he will surpass me in WORLDWIDE SINGLE TARGET DPS USING TWO BUTTONS OR LESS or whatever metric he has set for himself. He isn't trying to surpass Prepared because he wants to show us how super-cool he is, he is trying to surpass Prepared because it's a goal he set for himself.

It isn't something I have ever tried to understand. It's just Sam. As long as he isn't talking out loud in the movie theatre, he's pretty harmless.

[Sanctume]

Won't Lightning Shield proc off Arcane Explosion?

[Sanctume]

WoW is like a big cartoon
Well, this can't come as a surpise.. After all Warcraft, Warcraft 2, Warcraft III all looked pretty much the same, and the 28 zillion screenshots of world of warcraft on internet kinda help as well.Warcraft artist emphasize and embellish certain details to make that monster/player stick out from the background texture. It's more of a style and not aiming "real world"--I sure don't want "real world" in a fantasy setting.

[Shogun]

Geez give the guy a break, he might be a bit of an odd-ball by some standards (didn't see his old profile picture? ^^) but he's a nice enough guy, just with a different view on things. Typical interwebs...

[Draz]

Won't Lightning Shield proc off Arcane Explosion?Yes it would, meaning any mage that got into the middle of the shamans, would take 26-32 lightning shields for however much damage. More hps than the mage has I am sure ;). Taking insta-gib to a whole new level.

[Gomotron]

Geez give the guy a break, he might be a bit of an odd-ball by some standards (didn't see his old profile picture? ^^) but he's a nice enough guy, just with a different view on things. Typical interwebs...Shogun

Personally, I find Sam to be the source of much amusement and have "known" about him since his Retard Rickshaw days on the FoH forums.

What is most impressive about him is his complete and utter impervious-ness (if there is such a word) to flames/insults. I mean, for heaven's sake, I would be a pile of ashes with some of the verbal abuse directed his way, but he seems completely immune to it. I think he may be a Turing machine, but of course we'll never know.

Still, if I find someone in real life to be acting like a jackass in my home or somewhere that I frequent, I have no qualms in calling him or her a jackass.

Sam has switched his focus to WoW at present because it's the most popular MMORPG around and EQ is really going nowhere. I suggest that Sam does what he does more for the "Wow" factor (pardon the pun) from onlookers than for the sake of enjoying the game as a game per se. Who cares, whatever floats your boat. Still, this forum was designed for people who enjoy playing a GAME as a GAME, only in a non-typical fashion. So, since we're not all here competing to run the most instances of WoW as compared to everyone else, I will always view Sam's posts with inherent distaste, as they seem to be more attention-whoring than anything else.

And as far as Prepared is concerned, his original post was, IMHO, a question based mostly on curiosity. I come to this site because I am interested in how other people are multi-boxing to see if I can improve my gameplay at all. I have learned a ton from the site, and I will post here for the sake of improving my gameplay and hopefully answer a few questions from others along the way that may help them out.

Sam, you win at WoW. No one will ever be better than you, because if they ever do something more than you do, you will just one-up them. So you win.

Now go away and play the game.

[roddo]

I'm pretty sure Sam was the all time king of the rickshaw back on the FoH message boards. Hes loud, hes arrogant, and he strokes his own epeen, but thats just who he is. Love em or hate, but don't read if you don't like what he has to say.

[Sam DeathWalker]

120K? You were off only by 398K. Whats the address then look it up here: 518K ...

http://www.zillow.com/homes/map/3908-arden-farms-place_lb/san-jose_rb/


Ok one thing I been thinking about is that people are saying the boss mobs cant be boxed in WoW for some reason or other. As you saw in EQ I have a large number of entirely different classes, and EQ is harder then WoW. Can someone give me a url as to exactly why boss mobs in WoW are somehow different then EQ mobs that makes them impossible for boxers?

[OzPhoenix]

120K? You were off only by 398K. Whats the address then look it up here: 518K ...

http://www.zillow.com/homes/map/3908-arden-farms-place_lb/san-jose_rb/


Ok one thing I been thinking about is that people are saying the boss mobs cant be boxed in WoW for some reason or other. As you saw in EQ I have a large number of entirely different classes, and EQ is harder then WoW. Can someone give me a url as to exactly why boss mobs in WoW are somehow different then EQ mobs that makes them impossible for boxers?While I can't point you to specific articles, many boss mobs can't be effectively multiboxed because they require specific sections of the raid to perform specific functions all at the same time. For example (and I'll rely on my old-world pre-BC raiding days for this here), most of the bosses in MC/BWL etc required certain members of the raids to perform highly specific tasks (mind control of a mob, cleansing of certain debuffs) etc etc to bring down the boss. They weren't simply a tank-and-spank fight.

You could wowwiki the various instances to see what I mean, but I'll be very highly impressed by anyone able to bring down a raid boss who requires them to be doing 3 or 4 things simultaneously with different parts of their raid.

It's the primary reason why I can't see any practical point to going past 10 boxing - even then I look at some of the Kara/ZA bosses one struggle to see how a multiboxer could "solo" them given the crowd control / mid-fight movement that would be required.

[Xzin]

120K? You were off only by 398K. Whats the address then look it up here: 518K ...

http://www.zillow.com/homes/map/3908-arden-farms-place_lb/san-jose_rb/


Ok one thing I been thinking about is that people are saying the boss mobs cant be boxed in WoW for some reason or other. As you saw in EQ I have a large number of entirely different classes, and EQ is harder then WoW. Can someone give me a url as to exactly why boss mobs in WoW are somehow different then EQ mobs that makes them impossible for boxers?

APN: 494-08-043

http://eservices.sccgov.org/ari/search.do?action=chooseYear&apn=49408043&indc=C&year=2009

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=3908+Arden+Farms+Pl,+San+Jose,+Santa+Clara,+Cali fornia+95111,+United+States&sll=37.285731,-121.825655&sspn=0.007785,0.013819&ie=UTF8&ll=37.28935,-121.825676&spn=0.007785,0.013819&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=37.28581,-121.82567&panoid=DVipJxRDN8VqZzjtA3Jl7w&cbp=1,12.09079038926463,,0,5

Tax value has it at like $140k *shrug* They are rarely accurate anyway.

I don't care one way or the other really although with the market being what it is out there in CA....

My life is not enriched or diminished eitherway. I dont really even want to bring finances into this discussion.

[Yamio]

Sam is easier to tolerate if you just recognize that he is talking to himself, out loud. Yes, it's ego-driven. But it's just his way of approaching games. It doesn't bug me because that's how I view him. Yes, he will surpass me in WORLDWIDE SINGLE TARGET DPS USING TWO BUTTONS OR LESS or whatever metric he has set for himself. He isn't trying to surpass Prepared because he wants to show us how super-cool he is, he is trying to surpass Prepared because it's a goal he set for himself.

It isn't something I have ever tried to understand. It's just Sam. As long as he isn't talking out loud in the movie theatre, he's pretty harmless.Looking at all these posts blinded me of the true issue: accepting people for who they are. I've been told that a million times and I STILL sometimes forget. Well said brother. Well said.

[Lokked]

If owning homes allows you to consider yourself rich, I'd better tell my wife to quit yappin about her "poverty".....

[d0z3rr]

120K? You were off only by 398K. Whats the address then look it up here: 518K ...

http://www.zillow.com/homes/map/3908-arden-farms-place_lb/san-jose_rb/


Ok one thing I been thinking about is that people are saying the boss mobs cant be boxed in WoW for some reason or other. As you saw in EQ I have a large number of entirely different classes, and EQ is harder then WoW. Can someone give me a url as to exactly why boss mobs in WoW are somehow different then EQ mobs that makes them impossible for boxers?

APN: 494-08-043

http://eservices.sccgov.org/ari/search.do?action=chooseYear&apn=49408043&indc=C&year=2009

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=3908+Arden+Farms+Pl,+San+Jose,+Santa+Clara,+Cali fornia+95111,+United+States&sll=37.285731,-121.825655&sspn=0.007785,0.013819&ie=UTF8&ll=37.28935,-121.825676&spn=0.007785,0.013819&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=37.28581,-121.82567&panoid=DVipJxRDN8VqZzjtA3Jl7w&cbp=1,12.09079038926463,,0,5

Tax value has it at like $140k *shrug* They are rarely accurate anyway.

I don't care one way or the other really although with the market being what it is out there in CA....

My life is not enriched or diminished eitherway. I dont really even want to bring finances into this discussion.

Wow, who would pay 500k for a house built in 1977 with only 1500 square feet?

[Sam DeathWalker]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_13_(1978)

Kinda nice I pay property taxs as if it were worth 140K, when in fact its worth 500K plus ...

The land is what has the value, as it is near jobs .... If you tore the house down you would still get 450plusK for the land.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highest-income_counties_in_the_United_States#100_highest-income_counties_by_median_household_income.07UNIQ3 3c7b3e46532dc93-nowiki-0000000A-QINU.071.07UNIQ33c7b3e46532dc93-nowiki-0000000B-QINU.07


Well it seems that trash has a 1 percent or so chance to drop super items:

http://www.wowwiki.com/Leggings_of_the_Grand_Crusader

Sure 24 shaman can kill trash np. So just kill 100 trash and get a epic item ...

None of these 15 bosses can be boxed?

See Santa Clara County.


OK this seems the simplest of the 25 man instances and with level 80 around the corner..

http://www.wowwiki.com/High_King_Maulgar

Exactly whats the problem dont the 5 adds come one at a time? The council cannot be single pulled? Well doh ... Still umm these mobs have hp int eh 300K area ... well if all 5 come thats a wipe for sure, well 5 do come well humm,

[Mac]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_13_(1978)

Kinda nice I pay property taxs as if it were worth 140K, when in fact its worth 500K plus ...

The land is what has the value, as it is near jobs .... If you tore the house down you would still get 450plusK for the land.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highest-income_counties_in_the_United_States#100_highest-income_counties_by_median_household_income.07UNIQ3 3c7b3e46532dc93-nowiki-0000000A-QINU.071.07UNIQ33c7b3e46532dc93-nowiki-0000000B-QINU.07

See Santa Clara County.


OK this seems the simplest of the 25 man instances and with level 80 around the corner..

http://www.wowwiki.com/High_King_Maulgar

Exactly whats the problem dont the 5 adds come one at a time? The council cannot be single pulled? Well doh ... Still umm these mobs have hp int eh 300K area ... well if all 5 come thats a wipe for sure.One of the first real technical fights in 25 mans ( i think) need lots of classes to participate and do everything just right. Prepares you for future technical 25 person raids. IF you can box this sam, you would be da man. It would be a good test for you :)

http://www.wowwiki.com/High_King_Maulgar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4302sPx4k-U

[Sam DeathWalker]

Forget about Maulgar ... 4 off tanks lol ... no way.

Ok what about this guy:

http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=15931

no adds.

This Naxxramas will be a 25 man encounter after WotLK, surely this guy is not "impossible" to 25 box.

This guys is also tank and spank:

http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=16028

This is a stright up fight from all I can see.

[Mac]

sorry I didn't make it to nax pre-tbc, my guild was late to the ball so to speak, so I won't be much help here. I'm sure there are plenty here that cleared it though, but I don't know how much anyone will be able to comment on it since it will be RE-introduced come wotlk.

[Carnage]

Afraid grobbulus wont be multiboxable,

Mutating Injection ('http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=28169'): Injects a target with a mutagen that will do a 4,500 physical damage AOE after 10 sec, or a lower-damage AOE when cleansed. The target will create a Poison Cloud identical to those Grobbulus spawns, so the target will need to run to the side when cleansed to avoid damaging the rest of the raid.

The person who gets this disease must run to a wall on there own for it to be cleansed, maybe its doable by quickly switching , turning and enabling auto-run.

Keep inmind, naxx is being re-vamped in WoTLK whilst most of it will stay the same but just retuned for level 80 blizzard have mentioned that some fights will be changing abit

There are many fights where multiboxing will be impossible, for example thaddius - This fight works the same as the first boss in mech heroic, people with positive debuff must run to the left and people with negative debuff must run to the right - if there mixed they instantly die basically. Would be utterly impossible to separate them as just 1 person, WoTLK is going to be the same - there will be surley a few bosses you could do, but there isnt many. I think you will find most joy in worldbosses, you will also have nice competition for them agaisnt other guilds. They spawn at random times in the week, hopefully blizzard add more of them in WoTLK just like the emerald dragons.

[Carnage]

oops double post, keep in mind these are only the entry level bosses - just imagine trying to multibox sunwell ;) utterly impossible on every single boss

[Clone]

Unless they nerf patchwerk into the ground from what he was pre tbc he wont be boxable either. He hits like a truck and required extremely precise break healing from every healer. Thats not to mention that he required 2-3 tanks and every consumable under the sun. I can see someone 10 boxing maybe 1 or 2 of the bosses in Naxx (Patchwerk and Maexxna) but even then I think at least the tanks would need to far outgear the fight to make it anywhere near possible. Unless they start to make tank and spank fights again in WOTLK ur best bet is world bosses or going for stuff that u vastly outlevel like pre tbc or maybe some tbc bosses.

[Xinxo]

Patchwerk would probably wipe your raid in about 20 seconds with or with out lvl 70 gear. Really, anything in Naxx would. The only things really you could kill with your setup would be things in Molten Core. Even then, that place has been 3 man'd.

You can't really brut force any raid boss in wow, due to there mechanics. That is to say with the correct raid group you can do anything.

[Xzin]

With enough DPS, anything is possible. Having done Naxx, I doubt even at 80, you will have enough with 25/30.

[Tonuss]

Ok one thing I been thinking about is that people are saying the boss mobs cant be boxed in WoW for some reason or other. As you saw in EQ I have a large number of entirely different classes, and EQ is harder then WoW. Can someone give me a url as to exactly why boss mobs in WoW are somehow different then EQ mobs that makes them impossible for boxers?The reason that most WoW bosses are difficult to multibox is that they usually require the raid to focus on various different things during the fight. Sometimes you need to off-tank one or more mobs. Sometimes you need to kite a few mobs. Sometimes you need one player to watch out for certain debuffs and remove them as soon as they can. Many bosses have phases when their DPS rate changes, and healing has to be ramped up or down to compensate (not including having to keep an eye out for spike damage). Other bosses will do periodic AoE that requires certain characters to scatter and then return as soon as they can in order to maintain DPS. And so on and so forth.

It requires that you split your attention several ways all at once. See if you can find the thread from the guy who multiboxed Karazhan by controlling all ten characters. They were already well-geared, and thus he was able to brute-force many of the encounters (example, he ignored the "moving AoE" effect from Shade of Aran and simply healed through the damage, something that you can't get away with unless you've pretty much outgeared the event). But some encounters remained difficult or impossible to do (Netherspite and Nightbane, I think were the ones).

The way events are designed in WoW make it a lot of fun for a well-coordinated group of people, and make it very hard for a multiboxer. I would advise that you try it anyway, you've got nothing to lose and who knows what you can pull off? But the likelyhood is that you'll wipe a lot.

[Leon]

Well with the bright colors and the fact nothing looks worn, and nothing looks constructed like you would expect, I just dont get a feel that Im in a real place (well I havn't seen hardly anything though), EQ looks like a real world, dark, broken but places of wonder also. Its more photo realistic whereas WoW is like a big cartoon. Thats the way to say it, its like yur in a cartoon world.





WoW is like a big cartoonWell, this can't come as a surpise.. After all Warcraft, Warcraft 2, Warcraft III all looked pretty much the same, and the 28 zillion screenshots of world of warcraft on internet kinda help as well.Warcraft artist emphasize and embellish certain details to make that monster/player stick out from the background texture. It's more of a style and not aiming "real world"--I sure don't want "real world" in a fantasy setting.If i want real world I'll go outside, also given that its a fantasy game it has just cause to look like anything they want
WoW looks like the games it has drawn its heritage from.
I feel when im playing that im in a real place - the World of Azeroth, while knowing full well that its a virtual environment, While EQ may look "real" its still in the same category.

why boss mobs in WoW are somehow different then EQ mobs that makes them impossible for boxers?No idea what a EQ Raid/World boss is like but WoW ones generally require careful management of where you are, what you do or don't do.


Heh ... ya well really. Still you don't get well known just leveling. Unless you post who will become knowledgeable of your achivments ...
I recall him saying that he didn't really want much attention

[TheBigBB]

Ok one thing I been thinking about is that people are saying the boss mobs cant be boxed in WoW for some reason or other. As you saw in EQ I have a large number of entirely different classes, and EQ is harder then WoW. Can someone give me a url as to exactly why boss mobs in WoW are somehow different then EQ mobs that makes them impossible for boxers?A URL? How about personal experience? Most bosses in WoW require players to make very precise and coordinated movements and spell choices, or it's a wipe. You can't even get past those mechanics by outleveling most of the time - though possibly if you were 20 levels ahead. The Molten Core is the only instance that resembles EQ raid design, from what I know about the games, and as such it can be 3 manned anyway. You still need 20+ INDIVIDUALS to take on level 60 Naxxramas at level 70!

Some mechanics could be brute-forced by waiting for the next expansion, but not most of them. How about random, extremely deadly fires shooting all over the ground and players getting punted into the sky, where one death means the raid wipes or nearly wipes? You need to micromanage movement over ALL your characters and use special items at the exact moment to not die from fall damage. Fall damage isn't something you can mitigate with levelups. I mean, really, how can you precisely move 25 at one time in totally different directions? WoW is full of battles requiring SPLIT SECOND movement out of fire and looting special items and using them at the right time. There's even a fight where you turn into a ghost who goes and does battle with other ghosts, and you have two separate ghosts going at once. I don't even know if a level 80 squad will be able to bypass this by having enough DPS to kill the boss before you wipe. The only time you would be able to do a WoW raid boss is if you can kill it before the mechanics matter, which isn't that much of an accomplishment. People stick to 5 and a few 10 mans because many or most of those bosses can be micromanaged well enough. But even then, not even an experienced boxer has full cleared the easiest 10-man there is.

[TheBigBB]

On the graphics topic:

EQ/EQ2/all other games that try and look real... they try so hard the game ends up looking like shit. Total and complete shit. I mean, when I play WoW, I know its fake, and the developers are not trying to fool me or anything. The game is colorful and fun.

In EQ and other types of games where the Dev. is "trying" to make it look "real" ... I actually find it somewhat insulting. Its like "You really expect me to believe this shit? Are you serious?"Yeah, I don't understand how it's easier to suspend your disbelief in EQ. The games are outdated and look so ugly. It's not like it makes you think you're in a real world. I don't care about graphics that much at all, but I don't see how someone can make a statement about art styles making a game distracting when you're going to be favoring the game with grainy graphics from two generations ago.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Ok well humm, looking hard. Well at least though if you can get epic drops every 100 or so trash killz Ill be able to get some decent loot.

As to graphics:

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/338/coaei8.th.jpg (http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=coaei8.jpg)

[Korruptor]

Ok one thing I been thinking about is that people are saying the boss mobs cant be boxed in WoW for some reason or other. As you saw in EQ I have a large number of entirely different classes, and EQ is harder then WoW. Can someone give me a url as to exactly why boss mobs in WoW are somehow different then EQ mobs that makes them impossible for boxers?A URL? How about personal experience? Most bosses in WoW require players to make very precise and coordinated movements and spell choices, or it's a wipe. You can't even get past those mechanics by outleveling most of the time - though possibly if you were 20 levels ahead. The Molten Core is the only instance that resembles EQ raid design, from what I know about the games, and as such it can be 3 manned anyway. You still need 20+ INDIVIDUALS to take on level 60 Naxxramas at level 70!

Some mechanics could be brute-forced by waiting for the next expansion, but not most of them. How about random, extremely deadly fires shooting all over the ground and players getting punted into the sky, where one death means the raid wipes or nearly wipes? You need to micromanage movement over ALL your characters and use special items at the exact moment to not die from fall damage. Fall damage isn't something you can mitigate with levelups. I mean, really, how can you precisely move 25 at one time in totally different directions? WoW is full of battles requiring SPLIT SECOND movement out of fire and looting special items and using them at the right time. There's even a fight where you turn into a ghost who goes and does battle with other ghosts, and you have two separate ghosts going at once. I don't even know if a level 80 squad will be able to bypass this by having enough DPS to kill the boss before you wipe. The only time you would be able to do a WoW raid boss is if you can kill it before the mechanics matter, which isn't that much of an accomplishment. People stick to 5 and a few 10 mans because many or most of those bosses can be micromanaged well enough. But even then, not even an experienced boxer has full cleared the easiest 10-man there is.

Don't bother trying to convince Sam of anything. If this thread is a testimony of anything it is that he thinks the end game for WoW will be a cake-walk for a 20+ boxer and so much easier then EQ. Let him level his 26/27 characters with his stubborn misconception of what he'll be able to do with end game bosses and then he will understand that while leveling in EQ is harder then in WoW the end game raiding in WoW is far more challenging.

Experience is the best teacher. Let him learn his lesson.

[Tonuss]

Everquest's graphics were good for its time, and they did a decent job updating them as they went along, but I would not call them "real." Real jerky, maybe.

For me, as long as the look is consistent and the animations are well designed, I have no problem with it. EQ's animations weren't all that great but like many players I played it in first-person mode and it didn't seem so bad. Plus, this was years ago and true 3D in an online game was a rarity and the feeling was that they did a good job with what they had. WoW's animations are much smoother and the overall design is consistent. The more realistic you get, the harder it is to make the animation convincing, because real life is a lot more complex than the cartoony look of WoW. Invariably, you get characters that move stiffly or awkwardly, and it ruins the immersion.

One day they'll have it right, but for now I think WoW's approach works better.

[Souca]

On the graphics topic:

EQ/EQ2/all other games that try and look real... they try so hard the game ends up looking like shit. Total and complete shit. I mean, when I play WoW, I know its fake, and the developers are not trying to fool me or anything. The game is colorful and fun.

In EQ and other types of games where the Dev. is "trying" to make it look "real" ... I actually find it somewhat insulting. Its like "You really expect me to believe this shit? Are you serious?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley
It's a common phenomena, and one of the reasons I like WoW graphics over other games like Conan.

As for BC bosses to multibox, Mag's could be very doable if you are precise and plan well. Now that the channeling debuff is gone, you could just have slaves walk backwards toward the walls to avoid the knockback and as long as there is one near enough to a cube you could interrupt each blast wave. Conflags would be the biggest problem, but if you kept 5 or 6 tight groups, you might be able to get them out of the conflags in time. With no melee, you should be able to tank Mags where everyone was in range of him at the cubes. Still would be very hit or miss, especially since you have to set up with all the channelers and the infernals at the beginning. I'd love to watch the fraps, but I'm not sure I'd wanna try it.

- Souca -

[Jaws5]

Guys,

its all good , have fun , have goals , play to win.


In most cases their is nothing new under the sun. But that's the real world. This world is not real (part of its appeal)


With RAF someone should try 10 or 25 Paladins they have unlimted aoe

5 dins would do about 500 dps on each traget in range

fear would be a problem but theirs always the bubble.


I would try to use free lvls on a din to power lvl more toons as needed

Prepared has option to power lvl each grp since he is only using grps of 4 now.

:)

[puppychow]

Remember what you were like when you were 14 years old? When beating your friend at Super Mario Brothers was all that mattered, everything you knew about girls came from ... unreliable ... sources, and there was no filter between brain/mouth? Well, thats Sam. For the one extreme of the workaholic who works up until the second he dies, we have the other extreme of the Peter Pan videogamer who never grew up. Its charming in a weird kind of way. While I love having a wonderful wife and kids and a job I enjoy, sometimes it would be nice sitting at home playing video games all day, going to concerts at night, and spending your waking moments worrying about the strangest things like how much maximum DPS I can put out solo. Not sure about the hooker banging though 8o 8o 8o

WOTLK raiding is a step up from TBC, its going to be difficult to multibox solo. The best thing really is a group of multiboxers getting together, I'm sure there will be ways such that 4 of class X + 4 of class Y + 2 tanks will be able to brute force Naxx and other places. Blizzard also tends to release instances initially very difficult, and then slowly tune it to be easier while simultaneously making it easier to get newer gear that will make older stuff easier.

[Talamarr]

You're not top boxer until you 25 box Kael and Vashj, imo.

[Bena]

Less talk.. more pew pew..

I'd love to see some cool vids from the MMBs (massive multiboxers :D
); Prepared is in his 30s I think .. but Sam you gotta get out of the
starting valley dude.. get to 20 at least come on man.. all that
hardware/toons and nothing is happening.

[Sam DeathWalker]

I just wrote a program that will open wow, enter the account name, enter the password, get to the character screen, close open windows cept wow, log in the other 4 on the same computer in the same way and then close itself lol ...

So now I can press a single key and have all 26 at the character screen with the program that got them there closed before I start to play!

Ya I might be behind now but I am getting PREPARED.

Well Prepared might also be Prepared but Prepared isn't as Prepared as I'm Prepared cause I'm really Prepared in general and I'm even getting Prepared for Prepared.

[Zub]

grats, almost level 1