Put it this way, I plan to use it to 10 box. Although I'm wondering if this is all a mistake now - everytime you mention money, some shit happens. I'm hardly likely to compromise speed. It's a personal interest not a commercial venture foremost. My goal is not to compete, I would tihnk that was obvious from my tone. I don't sugar coat and all that shit that comes with that. Managed code is much more productive and if the benefit is for me, then the benefit is for the user too. I have no idea where this BobGnarly drew that I was writing it to be resistant to change, when I said totally the opposite. I said nothing about what people need or need not do - anyone who has a fucking brain will see that self debugable is a good thing. I did not imply I wasn't going to support it!! Hell, I've supported Octopus for free for 6 months+( to some extent ). Does that clarify??? Sorry, I do take some stuff for granted - but he has indeed construed things that aren't there, and imagined things and invented reasons never mentioned.