My Epic fail

[Naysayer]

@Bradster

When I leveled my first warlock before boxing, I felt the same way. It's just the way cloth classes are these days. When I started getting arena gear things changed quite a bit. Now that he is decked out in S3-S4 gear it's like comparing night and day. 400-500resil and 1200 spell damage and he's a beast. Good rogues are still hopeless, but everything else is an even match or I kill them with one hand tied behind my back. I can only imagine what 4-5 warlocks in that gear would be like, which is why I'm leveling 4 more .

[nogbog]

I'm levelling 4 locks, 67 at the moment.

I have to say that i'm very suprised that so many people have been having problems with their locks in PVP and PVE.

The talent spec you choose is incredibly important, it's not about which is "best" but which suites your play style.

@Bradster - You've gone affliction, but you chosen a priest to fill the 5th spot. To me, the synergy isn't there.
Affliction is based on dots and keeping mobile while the dots tick. For affliction, in my opinion you would have been better off with a resto druid.
If you were to keep your priest i'd recommend demonology for your locks.

I'm currently levelling destruction, purely so i can do instances, the idea is to kill things before they get to you.
In PVP i run into trouble when someone takes out my main, but 70s die quickly against destruction locks. Immolate spam + conflag.

Deathcoil is best way to take down a druid. Resto or feral. You've got 4 deathcoils to use. Stagger them and the druid won't be able to heal and felhunters eat druid heals.
Rogues are tricky because they can kill you before their CloS wears off. I got no tips for that other than to get better gear.

Don't give up on them!

Locks are fun.

[daviddoran]

Man, I'm starting to get scared with my 3 locks/2 pallys. I mostly rolled em cause i wanted a second paladin, and took the locks along for the ride cause I could, but it turned out well, for my first team, due to free mounts for everyone. I also came to love summoning, which made zolo boosting laughably simple. I have them as affliction now, because it seems to work well when I have a 70 tank holding all the aggro (locks are 58 ATM) and i can virtually just spam one castsequence button and do the rest of the work with the tank. I'm not sure what I'm gonna do with them at 70, other than summoning new toons to shatt and other flightpaths. I have another team with mixed classes, so I could swap a lock in for either my priest mage or druid, to test things out. I guess I'm really gonna have to work on my shaman. Good thing I'm an altaholic. Will make experimenting pretty easy if I have tons of toons on each account to swap in and out.

Should I try felguard spec if my locks are being led by a pally tank and a pally healer? Seems like I mostly have to just put out damage, and given that paladins are the kings of "outlasting" opponents, slow DoTs seem like the way to go.

[Dominian]

Since you were mean, it opened the door. You obviously have no clue about pvp locks either. Never use CoE. It is a waste of a curse. CoT and CoEx are the bread and butter for arena. Everywhere else (BGs) stick to CoA.

CoE will get better when you get better gear, if you can push it above 1000 dps it should starting to getting worth it... However it might aswell not be worth it since enemies dies like flies with that manny dots. I didnt mean to be "mean" but refering to it as "cloack of skills" then he said that he blew 4 howls of terror on the rogue...(i took it as he used them all at once) Yes well thats not realy good playing and alot more devastating then using 1 CoE atleast.

To play your multibox class to the max you need to know how your class works is my belive.

He tells us that he dies fast wich means his survivability is to low so ofc CoT and CoEx should be used against meele. Enhancement shamans is my favourite as Aff lock to duel against.. this only works if they are not able to mount like i cant rememeber seeing people do. Dot them up and use CoEx and run the shaman will never get in range and if he use frost shock devour yourself, if he turns and runs away just follow he wont be able to run away either. If he starts to heal he already lost!

BM hunters,rogues and warriors will always be hell untill you have realy good gear as a UA warlock.. Atleast most people will die even if they manage to kill you!

[Zenthor]

Hmm...I have same team (1 holy priest, 4 demon locks) and so far, have not had problems in Outland. I just (we are L64) cleared ramparts and even got Naz on first try (it took my 5x hunters around 7 tries). As for Durm, have not got there yet with locks but 5xL68 hunters, and one extra L69 hunter got owned many times and gave up. 6 hunters could not take him...scarry.

In any event...it seems I need to get working on either 5x shammy or 4xshammy + pally/druid. From what I can tell...its the only class that has PROVEN to own at everything...PvE, Heroics...PvP. I just fear that unless other combos can show they can do as well...all boxers will be the same cookie cutter 2 builds.

[Negativ1337]

Hey Bradster,

I think your plan is really well thought, i am leveling 1 prot paladin and 4 shamans. Had no problem at all 1-58 (im 58 now) in pve nor pvp. At level 42 i went AB and i could even 1 shot twinks without having the next rank of chain lightning. Also the paladin can tank very good.

I did boosted myself some times, and it was doable, but not a fun job. This is what i did to keep them all on the same exp level.

You can reset a dungeon 5 times, before you get a cooldown (unless you clear it very slow).
So i putted in group 1: char 1 2 3 4, keep 5 behind.
After boost is done: log in char 5 and keep 1 behind.
After boost is done: log in char 1 (and keep 5 in the party aswell) and logout char 2.
After boost is done, log in char 2 and remove char 3.
After boost is done, log in char 3 and remove 4.

Now you have cooldown, go watch a southpark episode or whatever (takes 20 minutes. Cooldown is 20 minutes aswell to reset. Southpark episode is usually 22 minutes. (for the fans ))

Now every char missed 1 run of experience, which keep them all at the same experience of the level.

I hope this will work, and i enjoy my setup a lot. Although when i created my chars i really thought i made a mistake, because i really enjoyed your Bradster videos and i really thought a 1 priest 4 locks would be more awesome. Although i would specc felguard

-Negativ1337 A.k.A. Steven

[Freakinred]

I just dinged 50 with my lock team. Historically, I've been the type of person to rarely respec while leveling. My last solo leveled character was also a warlock who I never respec'd. He's in full S1, but I haven't played him in a while.

Anyway, my point is that I really enjoyed leveling him as afflic and stuck with it. But for my 4-box combo, affliction just wasn't enjoyeable.

Sure, you can put 16 dots on stuff, but you're wasting a ton of damage. I kind of hate it because it feels like playing a mage, but I've done very will with Destro (up to ruin) and the rest in demo. The damage bonuses and damage mitigation/stam boots have made me quite formidable in PvP and PvE.

But back to the original post, it really seems like your major problem is gear.

I'm planning on hitting 70 asap and then just spending all my time between arena/BGs for the welfare epics. I'll probably spend a couple months of my life in AV defending the bridge and spamming Seed of Corruption.

But I enjoy that kinda stuff. I can see where this would be problematic if you didn't.

But yeah... Ruin is great for a lock group. Sbolt X 4 with increased crit damage is freakin glorious. Also, Shadowburn X 4 with ruin is generally instant kill to anyone near my level range. I've often wondered what they say when they attack me solo and then just fall over. I know that I giggle... but they probably don't.

[Vyndree]

Does the efficiency improve later?

Mana will be an issue until water shield (BC).

Pre-BC, the shaman "leveling spec" is supposed to be enhancement. Of course, enh was terrible back in the day to level until 2h spec or dual-wield. Now, 2h are trainable. For a boxer, just get used to drinking -- you'll feel like a mage before water shield.

As for PvP on the locks -- welcome to resilience affecting DoTs. S4, gg.

[Bradster]

Well,

Last night I tried boosting out. Didn’t quite work out since I need to lrn2boost.
First hit up the instance in Ogrim, ran it a few times, would pull ¾ the zone, at a time (the knock backs got really annoying and I had to kill them). I’d get 4-5 bars in about 15mins. I guess it wasn’t all that bad. Took it from 7 to 10 this way.
Cleared the path to SM and finally got my little pally there to find out you can’t enter it until 20 OOPS! I just decided then to hit up the barrens and drag my priest in tow out of group. I did around 14 quests (even bright red) without a single death of none stop killing. Then it was time for bed for me. Made it to 13 or so.
I had much more fun leveling it this way, it also felt faster or at least past the time well as I enjoyed myself. I’m going to crack on it all night when I get home. What’s funny is my pally has 3 blues from the Ogrim instance. The weapon I used for killing the damage on it was 2-6 (very slow) this blue one hander is 36-42 I think. Should speed things up lol.
Pretty certain I’ll have it caught up tonight. Which point I need to take some time to redesign my UI and make changes, like my spread out formation macro and other things that would be better suited for the shamans. I’m also tossing in the idea of formatting my main machine this weekend so that will slow me down. I’m going to put this off if I can this weekend and maybe take my machine with me to work and work on it next week.

Once I get the pally caught up, i'm most likely just going to level them normally. I did the whole grind before the EXP changes. So this should be much better this time around, and mounts at 30! that should help.

[Hokusai]

One thing that may have been said already, I didn't see it though, is that you can get the pvp lvl 70 BLUE gear from rep vendors in outland/caverns of time if you have honoured rep with them, this may solve some of the gear issues you have and might make your chars a bit tougher too, although I am basing this purely on you saying you have green gear at 70.

these are the vendors:

http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=21432

http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=21655

http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=17585

http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=21643

http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=17904