Thinking of 25 boxing WoW - Not sure about a lot of things

[Meilin]

honestly, i dont have much say in the matter, because i have never multiboxed,

i intend to in the future, but i have played multiple characters and have leveled multiple 70s

many people have said that the xp would suck, if all in a raid group together, true, i honestly dont forsee it being enjoyable with the amout of characters you describe, i dont want to say try 5 or anything, because i honestly dont know about 5 boxing, but i would however suggest not doing 25 right off the bat, the coordination involved in getting a quest for 5 boxers seems frustrating enough, not to mention the difficulties of gathering type quests, it would flat out take too long to do them with 25,

but its entirely your choice, if you can do it, honestly (seeing your characters at 70, fully equipped with matching equipment, same chacater model) would probably be the single most epic feat in wow history, if your trying to achieve an awe factor with 25 boxing, you will probably meet that goal if you can achieve a respectable level

good luck in whatever you decide :thumbsup:

[daviddoran]

Even if you do 5 separate parties, leveling will be AGONIZINGLY slow. I had 5 mages i was messing around with after a hogger raid, and I was still in the rid, and killing equal level mobs got me 3xp each, while non grouped I was getting like 25 exp. Unless you can find some place to farm endlessly respawning mobs, I don't think you will ever get leveled up.

If you do go for it however, Consider a shaman for your healer/rezzer, cause of the self rez. If you have 24 mages and 1 priest, and the priest dies, you are still in a pickle.

[SilverSlice]

how will you get to 70, or 80 when the expantionpack is launched.?

if your going to ding from 60 to 70 in raids the low xp will make it take ages.
if you do quests you cant do them in raid group so you have to divede up your toons in groups.
if you are going instances 5 toons pr instance is the limit.

i am quite serten that it is possible to multibox 25 mans raid instances. only trouble is to lvl 25 toons opp to the rigth lvl and gearing them up to actually doing it.
if you check the looting tabel for gruuls lair you will see that not everyting drops there.
and margs lair, if you pull that raid instance of make a movie of it please

mages are powerfull on the dps, but they are cloth users after all, they die easely so you gonna have to controll more then one tank in 25 mans unless you wanna risc wiping due to uncontrollable trashmob or complicated boss figth souch as the first boss in gruuls lair for example or counsill in bt

you will need more then one healer as well, shammy's have the advante of mail gear as well as selfres and res others + 5 totem pr shammy, migth be possible to make 15 of them and 7 tanks and 2 priests or someting like that

i do have a feeling that you will not be able to reach 70 before the expantionpack, and then you gotta figth your way to lvl 80 and with 25 toons that will take quite some time. but in the next expantionpack it looks like all the 25 mans instances will be 10 mans instances as well, so you will have a lot easier life if you downsize your idea to a 10 man raid team.

anyway if you go ahead with 25 or 10, make vids keep us updated

Silver

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Sam, if you use one of the software solutions that replicates keystrokes across the LAN, you won't have to bother with flipping monitors. Just all /assist and pew pew.

Also, there is no friendly fire in WoW. No AoEs can hit other realm-mates.

Something else to consider is that AoE healing spells don't work across raid groups, only within your group. NOte that this may change once the expansion goes live.

And yeah, if I were gonna do 25, I'd almost assuredly do mages. 25x arcane explosion would obliterate anything outside of a raid instance or world boss. Only thing neater than that would be seeing 50 DoTs on someone in 1.5 seconds. 8o

[Sam DeathWalker]

I think my exp plan would be similar to eq. I make one group which has 5 rested characters. ALL the other 20 are NOT IN ANY GROUP or raid. Pull a ton of mobs and pbaoe. The 5 rested characters will get all the exp cause they will do 5X the damage of any other single character, and as they are rested they get 2X exp I guess. Then take another 5 and do the same with them... etc. Undead can't be shaman, but I can see where self rez would be very usefull indeed. Let me read more about that. I am just to reluctent to level up a tank and healers and all that like I did in EQ. OK I can't do a lot of content without a tank I know it. But still there is a lot of content I can do and my focus will be pvp anyways. Ok I will never have the best gear but I hopefully I will get "good enough" gear to get me through pvp. Sides 24 mages will insta kill ANY single enemy and if I can target and cycle and cooldown all in 3-4 seconds; thats one dead oppenent every 4 seconds ... I guess I dont know... Why didnt Xzin need a shaman? That new spell (if it makes it live) is 3 seconds cooldown instant cast 30 yards and dosnt need any special "something of mind" whatever itwas to be instant. I mean 24 X 380 damage is well enough to kill anyone at level 60 I think.

Besides I think I can get honor by just camping a zone in and ganking whoever zones in. I know its cheap but if its waht I need to do to get gear well ... I won't kill anyone more then once in a hour period to be resonable though. The nahtul server or something is a pvp like 23,000 people with like 14,000 alliance. No shortage of targets. Its like 62 percent alliance so given they have every advantage in pvp there they shouldnt complain.

Ya I saw that about aoe heals, they are not all that, mostly rez is what I need I guess.

Im not going software ... Ill build my own hardware if I have to.

[Knytestorme]

Heya Sam, know you from the old FoH days and was going to reply to your latest dps thread there but will keep the flow of this forum and be nice

Basically, with your setup I'd look at:

• Adding 4 more monitors and run 5 instances of WoW per box (one main instance on one monitor, 4 others on the second monitor per box)
• Have each box run it's own 5 man group such as you currently do for EQ
• Use keyclone on each box and then use a wireless keyboard + receivers (or vetra) to split a single keyboard to control all 5 boxes.

This would allow you to level up 5 groups of 5 at the same time through gridning without having to to join them as a raid....might even be possible once you reach high enough levels to have each group enter their own instance of the same instance and run 5 instances at the same time since initial mob spawns and bosses would all be the same.

The main difference between this and EQ is, as pointed out earlier, the xp grind in EQ was easier to do and WoW was designed around quests actually giving good xp for hand-ins.

Perhaps the best solution for you would be the following initially

• Start a group of 5 paladins and play it like you were dual-boxing with playing the main, use one for heals and just ignore the other 3 with them on follow - This will let you get a feel for the game and zones, etc
• Level this group to 70, respec them all to prot and make sure for all quest rewards in outlands to grab tanking gear...ignore instances for now
• Create the other 20 characters you want and divide them into groups of 4 to join with 1 paladin each
• Look at the boosting posts here and the flow people take (eg deadmines -> stocks -> SM -> ST) and then go boost each group in the same instances at the same time (again, mob spawns in these instances will pretty much be the same the entire time so you should be able to run all 5 like you are running one)

If this works you will then have 20 characters at level 60 after about 2 days played + the 5 paladins and will have all of outlands opened up to you as well as a knowledge of the basics of topography and mechanics of the game.

[Sam DeathWalker]

If pbaoe works out to level 80, Ill have no problems getting exp. Iv shakerpaged enough in EQ to know that killing 50 mobs at a time is some of the best exp going. My older guys in EQ have 280 or so days played Ill have no problems putting in the time. Only problem might be higher levels attacking me while I am low and weak just to take up my time.

I cannot possibly see running guys in different places at the same time, there is a limit lol ... running two instances at the same time lol ..

People dont have a good grasp on how much extra exp you get if you can do a group for double while the others help them kill mobs faster: If "rested" works like it does in EQ then I get a good bonus cycleing 5 groups.

Start at about post 87 in this thread

http://www.thesteelwarrior.org/forum...t=18187&page=3

Lol this forum is so polite compared to all the others.

[Knytestorme]

The only problem to this is that unless you stagger it so that you always have at least one group in an inn at all times, rested will be a slow matter.



For example, if I take 4 level 25's to SM with 100% rested xp on them that will last maybe 2 clears using my 70 paladin, after that they are out of rested and back to usual xp. If you have one group with 100% rested xp (which takes about 1 week in an inn to accumulate) then that will last them maybe 2 hours out in the wild with you using 3 other groups to focus-fire down mobs after the first group tags them, so then you either continue playing with that group having no rested or move to the next group and use up all their rested but by doing so you then have two groups that would have to be offline for a week to get back to 100% rested.

I know your exploits well enough to know you can see where this is headed so really, there needs to be a way found for you to level all of them up at the same time without being in a raid.

I guess you could just use a round-robin system for casting, have everyone ungrouped and just go rampaging through the lands with your horde spaming your cast button over and over...as you say, someone will get the xp but I guess the problem with this manner is not being able to funnel the xp in a consistently shared manner

[Malt]

Impressive.

[Otlecs]

So, the leveling question has been pretty much done I guess. AoE grinding and tagging in groups of 5 at a time is viable, but you're going to struggle to find an outdoor spawn at all levels that cycles quickly enough to make it useful without an outrageous amount of downtime.

The question is... what will you actually DO with 25 squishy characters, only one of which is a healer? The same question would apply, but without the raised virtual eyebrow, if they weren't all squishy actually

Actual 25 man content is pretty much out due to the complexity of the encounters, especially if you stick to your current model of screen flipping.

Even if you go for more individual control, responding quickly to events in a 25 man encounter is hard enough in smaller groups (some people can't seem to even manage one character!!) with proper tanks and multiple healers, let alone a single person with no tank and one healer.

I'll be interested to see how you get on, but other than wandering around as an "angry mob" to kill everything you see in the outside, non-instanced, world, I'm not sure what you'll actually be able to do even once you hit 70/80....

edit: clarity