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[Vyndree]

PvP has a resist cap. PvE does not (at least, I do not believe).

My warlocks were able to kill a level 70 at the tender age of lvl 49. (resisted some dots, but not enough)
They were not, however, able to kill a level 66 mob in outlands at level 55. (almost total resists)

I think you mean Spell hit (cap) where spell hit when "capped" is 99% max in PvP/PvE environments.

Yay for informational tables:



At level 70, 12.6 spell hit rating is equivalent to 1% spell hit. So, since as of right now the highest mob is level 73... a caster would need (untalented) 202 hit to cap. If you're quite a few levels below your target... you will always have at least a 1% chance of landing a spell. Aka: you will have the minimum chance of hit against PvE targets at least 11 levels higher than you, and PvP targets at least 16 levels higher.

Thanks for the table, but I'm actually talking about there being a cap at which point, no matter how many levels lower you are to a person in PvP, you will still be able to land spells on them at a minimum percentage.

I'll look for a source to cite on this as I don't know the percentage off the top of my head.

[Yesh]

Thanks for the table, but I'm actually talking about there being a cap at which point, no matter how many levels lower you are to a person in PvP, you will still be able to land spells on them at a minimum percentage.

I'll look for a source to cite on this as I don't know the percentage off the top of my head.

If you're quite a few levels below your target... you will always have at least a 1% chance of landing a spell. Aka: you will have the minimum chance of hit against PvE targets at least 11 levels higher than you, and PvP targets at least 16 levels higher.

If you look at the table you'll notice that over 2 levels lower the amount of hit required to land a spell increases by 7 with each level. At anything over 16 levels lower than your target you will have a 1% chance to hit your target.

[Suvega]

I think WoWwiki is incorrect on the PvP mininum hit % for targets much lower level, as it is -definetly- higher then 1% many levels below. (greater then 16)
It's something I -could- figure out, however the thought of casting 500 spells and figuring out the percentage makes me want to /stabeyes

[Vend]

[quote='Suvega',index.php?page=Thread&postID=89563# post89563]I think WoWwiki is incorrect on the PvP mininum hit % for targets much lower level, as it is -definetly- higher then 1% many levels below. (greater then 16)
It's something I -could- figure out, however the thought of casting 500 spells and figuring out the percentage makes me want to /stabeyes[/quote]WoWwiki is actually correct regarding the % chance to hit with spells depending on level differences. Here's the original source of the information:

[url='http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10271182']Eyonix's Spell Hit Clarification[/url]

You'll notice that the change of hit % in relation to level difference is not linear but it also doesn't lessen. Evidence from extended parses of both PvP and PvE damage between targets of extreme level difference show that on the contrary the rate at which chance to hit decays is actually more like 11% instead of 7% when the differences increase. What you're probably mistaking to be a low end hit cap above 1% at maximum level difference is actually just the effect from +hit chance talents.

Regardless of level difference, talents that increase you hit chance with spells will have full effect. For example, if you're a level 54 shadow priest and attacking a level 70 character your base chance to hit said character would be 1% without any gear or talents being accounted for. If you have no +spell hit gear, your base chance to land a spell on that person will be 11%. If you were a shaman your base chance would be 7% or 10% with Totem of Wrath. Obviously if you had a MB group of 5 shamans then your chance to hit would be 21%, which is obviously substantial enough to kill a level 70. The main thing to take away from all of this is that the system is very forgiving in that your chance to hit from gear/talents is factored in after the level deficit penalty otherwise you would be enjoying a solid 1% chance compounded by good times with the random number generator.

[Suvega]

Your source still does not give an absolute mininum for PvP targets, which I claim is greater then 1% + Hit talents + Hit on gear.

Explain to me how 5 lvl 49 targets can kill a 70? We have conclusive proof that it WORKS, you can LAND spells. Given even a gratious 10% with 1% + hit talents + hit on gear at 49 (shaman talents are pretty uber), you're talking a 5 people casting at a 10% chance of hit.

(90% miss)^5 = 60% chance that all 5 will miss.
40% chance that at least one will hit.

How long would it be the absolute maximum for 5 dots to land?
90% chance that within (4) gcd, you'll have at LEAST 5 dots.

10k health?

Come on, this is IMPOSSIBLE given a 1% hit chance.

[Vend]

this is IMPOSSIBLE

[Suvega]

this

[Vend]

is

[Yesh]

SPARTA

[Suvega]