how am i to know that then! i dont have either. and im hardly likely to search there software packages without the hardware :P + if i knew, id just code it. its not all that complicated and im confused how there is a problem at all. i'll let it whirl around my head and maybe put a debug option on or something, i dunno. last time i did a debugged build the person didnt bother to respond! you could always write a simple keyboard hook to see how the xkeys is reporting, if so able/willing :P