So I made a 5x shamy group and a 5xmage group on the ptr.. (my live shamies are only in their 40s).. did some BGs and then run Bot for kicks.. all I gotta say is holy @#$#. Playing shamies is what I expected from mages but didnt get. I figured that with 5x mages in BGs I'd be able to do some major pew pew.. got squat instead. With the resiliance gear and high stam the mages are barely able to take down one or two people. Playing shammies with the crazy CL+LO combos, they perform what you'd expect from mages but don't get. Taking down bosses in Bot without even needing to heal.. :thumbsup: yep yet another on the shammie wagon here; knew they were good but not this good. It's ironic everyone cries that shammies are underpowered but put 5 of them together and you got a super team.