[Arena] AFK'ing in Arena, allowed? expert opinion needed

[Mercurio]

As for the mix-up in me and beyond-tec, no problem. Our avatars ARE pretty close. But there is some significance - just remember green = noob (me).

[Codam]

You were fishing for opinions, you already knew the answer.

Well after re-reading my original post, I can almost understand why you made that mistake. Although it was definitely a mistake, and if you look closely I clarified twice that my concern was with how Blizzard would view/react to this.

I still don't know the answer, but rather have found out along the way that the gear I wanted isn't even available via arena, and that even if it was, the risk of Blizzard suddenly deciding that they don't like this outweighs any benefit by far.

[Drizzit]

Could you please take down the picture of the Special Olympics.

Thank you.

[Codam]

Could you please take down the picture of the Special Olympics.

Thank you.

Done, apologies if you found that offensive

[daviddoran]

"You should at least ride into the middle in a pack to lose faster" (I actually do this about half the time, so I guess I'm not truly AFK)

The funny thing to see if both teams do this. That would be a youtube moment.

LOL! Kinda like that south park episode where they were playing baseball in the summer, because their parents made them, but all they wanted to do was play video games (wow?) so they tried to lose, but they somehow made it to the finals, and the other team was so good at losing, they actually hit balls into the mits of the other team, rather than wait for strikeouts/walks... Funny stuff.

I might do the same thing, just to get points to get some type of gear. I don't like how the system is set up. Some people are so crazy good, that you don't have a chance until you at least get a bit geared up. And how do you get geared up? By losing. The game is practically set up for this. lose as fast as possible, get points, repeat. Spend points on better gear, then actually try, and see how you fare then. Other than that, you gotta farm Heroics for badges, as the "epic" gear there doesn't seem worth the trouble otherwise, at least for my healadin, there was nothing that I could really use. Or 10 box kara... lol decent gear in there.

[Vyndree]

Of course it seems like a completely different scenario, as noone else is being adversely affected by it. My concern was more that blizzard would see this as "not in the spirit of..." blah blah blah

I HAVE actually seen a thread about this in the customer service forums. I believe it [s]was answered by Belfaire and [/s]was about purposely losing arena.

The response from the blue was that it is OK to lose in arenas -- I mean, honestly... You're allowed to suck.
What you aren't allowed to do is lose against the SAME TEAMS over and over again. They specifically mentioned losing against friends/guildmates in a way that could be considered win trading. If you lose consistently that's fine -- but you shouldn't lose only to the same team.

Any attempt to "fix" the queues or to specifically lose in order to give another team a marked advantage is considered win trading. Losing all games or just sucking at PvP in general is OK. It's your PvP strategy, you just can't make a marked effort to specifically lose to a certain team(s) in order to boost that other team's arena ratings. If you want to not TRY to win games just so you can put your 10 games in without having to expend much time/effort, that's your decision to make. It may not be morally tasteful to some, but it does not break the rules. (Edit: HOWEVER, it is NOT okay to refuse to PARTICIPATE in your losses -- see my GM posts linked in the next post)


I'll try to dig up the actual blue post on the subject but no promises. It happened shortly after the win trader bans and the botter bans.

[Vyndree]

It has long been a dream of mine to have an Arena team achieve as low a rating as possible by intentionally losing every game against every opponent we come up against.

Is doing this against the spirit of the game, and in violation of the Win Trading policy? I don't want to cause problems or get into trouble by intentionally losing every game we go into in the Arena.


Please note: we are not queuing up against and only losing to a select group of teams, we are losing against whoever we go up against regardless.

Certainly questionable, Tjourney, but I suppose if you are losing to everyone and you aren't matched against the same team repeatedly we may just think you that you /fail.

I certainly don't endorse this practice the Arena as well as the battlegrounds are there to pit ones skill and the skill of your team mates against another team. Purposefully failing goes against the spirit of what they are intended for.

Ah, here's clarification -- while it's OK to lose repeatedly in arenas, it is NOT OKAY to AFK or to not actually participate in your losses.

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so it is safe for my friends and I to /dance and /train our way to victory/failure?
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I would advise against it, Tjourney, although non-participation mostly is applied to the Battlegrounds it may also serve to cover arena matches. If you wish to lose at the games you are playing you'll have to do it the old fashion way and be worse than your opponents.

There it is. Nail in coffin.

/endthread.

[Drizzit]

Could you please take down the picture of the Special Olympics.

Thank you.

Done, apologies if you found that offensive

Thank you I really appreciate that.

[Mercurio]

Great post Vyndree, that clears things up pretty well. You are always good for that kind of thing and I've learned a lot from your ability to keep track of the blues and quote them at the appropriate time.

Guess I'll go ahead and mount up and ride into the slaughter that awaits me.

[Vyndree]

Great post Vyndree, that clears things up pretty well. You are always good for that kind of thing and I've learned a lot from your ability to keep track of the blues and quote them at the appropriate time.

Guess I'll go ahead and mount up and ride into the slaughter that awaits me.

I just enjoy trolling the customer service forums while at work. It's a great way to kill time.

As always, if you're ever worried about whether something is or isn't against the rules the best course of action would be to post in the customer service forums. While we can help advise you as best we can, we're not the authority on the rules -- Blizzard is. And the GM's in that forum are very helpful.