Keyclone (multi-boxing) for free?

[Gurblash]

Regarding Vyndree's comment 'but to the uninformed user they are not recommended' Rather than this, I would suggest that the user take a little time to become informed and thereby make a decision based on facts
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Ahh what the hell I'll bite. Gonna use the knife analogy . I prefer to not give children knives, yes they can be safe but if used wrong can cut ya deep. I prefer that they start out with nerf darts and plastic swords.

"I can't recommend using AHK or HKN simply for the fact that its not something I would use myself. I also can't suggest them for the fact that even if used correctly there is that chance of abuse and I don't want to lead someone down a path that is open for abuse." :thumbsup:

[Freddie]

This is where the problem is though... "Some" of the uninformed can't be bothered to read-up and become informed. Or as we all like to refer to it "RTFM". :P

People like that can't use HotkeyNet and AutoHotKey, so this isn't a problem.

These programs have their own built-in screening tests. If you are able to use them, you're certainly capable of sticking to the rules.

Some parts of this thread make it sound like you need an Einsteinian IQ to avoid breaking the rules. In fact it's very simple to avoid breaking the rules.

Edit: Gurblash's post crossed this one, but I would have said the same thing to him too.

[Gurblash]

These programs have their own built-in screening tests. If you are able to use them, you're certainly capable of sticking to the rules.

*QQ EDIT* I'm quite capable of using either AHK and HKN AND I'm quite capable of breaking the rules.

[Frosty]

This is where the problem is though... "Some" of the uninformed can't be bothered to read-up and become informed. Or as we all like to refer to it "RTFM". :P

People like that can't use HotkeyNet and AutoHotKey, so this isn't a problem.

These programs have their own built-in screening tests. If you are able to use them, you're certainly capable of sticking to the rules.

Some parts of this thread make it sound like you need an Einsteinian IQ to avoid breaking the rules. In fact it's very simple to avoid breaking the rules.

Edit: Gurblash's post crossed this one, but I would have said the same thing to him too.

I agree, you don't have to be Einstein to avoid breaking the rules, but even I have been guilty at one point or another of not reading/learning before using software or even every day items.

Sometimes the "neat" factor outweighs the desire to read a manual first. That was more my point, sorry if it came off as arrogant.

[Freddie]

Sometimes the "neat" factor outweighs the desire to read a manual first. That was more my point, sorry if it came off as arrogant.

It didn't sound arrogant. I'm sorry if I sounded like I thought it was!

I want to stick to that main point too. That's why I keep saying, you can't use these programs without reading the manual. And every page of HotkeyNet's manual that could possibly break a WoW rule, has a warning to WoW players on it. For example:

Wait in HotkeyNet

Getting back to the knife analogy, these programs are like knifes that are so heavy, a child can't lift them. The task of writing a script file is like a tamper-proof cap on a medicine bottle -- it keeps the kiddies out.

[Freddie]

These programs have their own built-in screening tests. If you are able to use them, you're certainly capable of sticking to the rules.

Thats the biggest crock of shit... I'm quite capable of using either AHK and HKN AND I'm quite capable of breaking the rules.

You are using "capable" in a different way than I did. You're talking about doing something knowingly. I was talking about the ability to avoid doing something by accident.

My responsibility is to protect people from breaking the rules without their realizing it.

And by the way, I don't like your use of the words "crock of shit." I've been talking to you honestly, politely, and in good faith.

Temptation is a dangerous thing. Even if its illegal, if theres a small chance of not being caught, it can sometimes look good.

If you think a program might seduce you into doing something you wouldn't otherwise want to do, then by all means, you should stay away from it.

But I don't think this is a risk for most people.

[Vyndree]

Regarding Vyndree's comment 'but to the uninformed user they are not recommended' Rather than this, I would suggest that the user take a little time to become informed and thereby make a decision based on facts

I didn't say it wasn't possible, it just wasn't recommended.

A person who needs to be handfed (i.e. recommended) information about multiboxing is probably someone who needs to also be handfed the rules. I can't stomach taking responsibility for that. It would essentially become "my fault" morally (keep in mind my morals are my own) that they accidentally stumbled across something that broke the rules and got themselves banned.

A person who is motivated enough to figure out how to set up AHK on their own is a person motivated enough to figure out the rules on their own. And I have no responsibility for their actions if they do decide to use it in a way that breaks the rules.

Alternatives to keyclone are clearly available and as you can see in the 2nd post in this thread -- they were pointed out. But I'm not going to handhold someone to teach them how to use it -- for one, I don't even know how (I'm a hardware boxer) and two, even if I did know how to do it, I wouldn't want to also hand feed them the entirety of the EULA/Terms so that they don't accidentally get themselves banned. We're talking about showing a person HOW to use AHK, etc. While the warnings are in the manual (where the motivated multiboxer WILL find them), the moment we start copy/pasting chunks of it into the forum we might start to lose those warnings as they get quoted and passed along.

I think linking the wiki is good enough to point them in the right direction if they are motivated enough to follow through. If they go to the wiki, they will find the guides that show them how to set things up. Furthermore, the wiki has links to the GM conversations about automation and 3rd party software, and as I understand the setup guides have plenty of warnings when they show an example of things that might be against the rules. I just can't feel comfortable being responsible -- even only partially -- to someone getting banned from innocent misuse.

If they're not motivated enough to follow through with learning things themselves (including the rules/EULA), then they can buy keyclone or just not multibox. Just my opinion.

[Freddie]

While the warnings are in the manual (where the motivated multiboxer WILL find them), the moment we start copy/pasting chunks of it into the forum we might start to lose those warnings as they get quoted and passed along.

That's a good point. When HotkeyNet's beta test began, I was careless about providing examples because I don't play WoW and didn't know anything about its rules. If somebody asked me a question, my tendency was to give them a factual answer. Lately I've become more sensitive to this issue and more careful about what I post.