Keyclone (multi-boxing) for free?

[Occam's Razor]

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[Frosty]

Yes, you alliance folks do a group hug.

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Bah!

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[Draku]

So.....could somebody summarise this long undulating thread?

After skimming, it appears that a newcomer should assume that Keyclone is legal (I wonder if Blizzard would agree with this) and HKN/AHK are illegal (By Legal and Illegal I mean in the eyes of Blizzard)

There is also some suggestion that this forum should not support the programs so described as illegal.

I am SURE I have this wrong, but perhaps a mod or Vyndreee could clarify

[Frosty]

So.....could somebody summarise this long undulating thread?

After skimming, it appears that a newcomer should assume that Keyclone is legal (I wonder if Blizzard would agree with this) and HKN/AHK are illegal (By Legal and Illegal I mean in the eyes of Blizzard)

There is also some suggestion that this forum should not support the programs so described as illegal.

I am SURE I have this wrong, but perhaps a mod or Vyndreee could clarify

I am fighting to not be mean.. You are asking us to go back and do the work for you because you don't want to read.

HKN and AHK are not illegal, but you can use them in a way that could be in the eyes of Blizzard. Just be careful with what you are doing, and read the Wiki and other threads to make sure you aren't doing something that is "known" to be illegal. This part you will have to do, all the information is there that you could need.

Good luck!

[Draku]

Thanks for not being mean. I appreciate it. (Although you slightly misunderstood my post)

I also appreciate your concise and fair summary...

'HKN and AHK are not illegal, but you can use them in a way that could be in the eyes of Blizzard.'

Just like the Logitech G15 keyboard I guess,......

The only thing I would add is....

I DO NOT BELIEVE Blizzard have confirmed that any of the Software tools by name are legal or not. (Interestingly, they did for the G15)

[Frosty]

Thanks for not being mean. I appreciate it. (Although you slightly misunderstood my post)

I also appreciate your concise and fair summary...

'HKN and AHK are not illegal, but you can use them in a way that could be in the eyes of Blizzard.'

Just like the Logitech G15 keyboard I guess,......

The only thing I would add is....

I DO NOT BELIEVE Blizzard have confirmed that any of the Software tools by name are legal or not. (Interestingly, they did for the G15)

I'm still waking up with coffee, so, sorry if I misunderstood.

I don't have any info on the G15 or the confirmed software tools. All I do know is automation = bad. 1 key press should = 1 key press (but 1 key press can = 1 key press to 5 accounts).

[Vyndree]

[quote='Draku',index.php?page=Thread&postID=76917#p ost76917]confirmed that any of the Software tools by name are legal or not. [/quote]

They can't confirm because software can be updated. If the software gets updated in the future and become against policy, they would have to spend time/effort to rescind their statements.

The logitech g15, on the other hand, is (for the most part) hardware. They've made statements regarding the macro capabilities of the G15 in general.



We have many quotes of relevance both on the g15 keyboard and multiboxing (including software) at [url='http://dual-boxing.com/wiki/index.php/GM_Conversations']the GM conversations wiki[/url].




But yeah, the summary of the thread is -- Keyclone is not free. There are free resources, but to the uninformed user they are not recommended as they have the ABILITY to break the rules if used incorrectly. However, the use of these tools does not make you a cheater -- it just requires more work on the user's part to both fully understand the rules and to implement a multiboxing solution using these tools that is inline with the rules. Just like the G15.

[Freddie]

They can't confirm because software can be updated. If the software gets updated in the future and become against policy, they would have to spend time/effort to rescind their statements.

The logitech g15, on the other hand, is (for the most part) hardware. They've made statements regarding the macro capabilities of the G15 in general.

I'm sure you're right that this explains Blizzard's reasoning. This is a common view, and Blizzard probably shares it. However I don't think this reasoning is correct. When you buy a piece of hardware today, you usually get a package that contains an enormous amount of software. People call these packages "drivers" but they aren't only drivers in the technical sense of the word "driver," they are actually suites with multiple drivers, services, service control programs, installers, automatic updaters, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if the G15 includes ten times as much software as HotkeyNet and AutoHotKey put together.

Included with the software that comes with the G15, there must be some that does the same sorts of things as AutoHotkey and HotkeyNet. The difference is, the G15's software acts on signals generated by a specialized keyboard, whereas AutoHotkey and HotkeyNet act on signals generated by ordinary keyboards. Therefore a product like the G15 must supply its own device driver, whereas AutoHotKey and HotkeyNet rely on the Windows keyboard driver. This means a product like the G15 must necessarily include software which is similar to AutoHotKey or HotkeyNet, and then supply even more.

[Draku]

I'm sure you're right that this explains Blizzard's reasoning. This is a common view, and Blizzard probably shares it. However I don't think this reasoning is correct. When you buy a piece of hardware today, you usually get a package that contains an enormous amount of software. People call these packages "drivers" but they aren't only drivers in the technical sense of the word "driver," they are actually suites with multiple drivers, services, service control programs, installers, automatic updaters, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if the G15 includes ten times as much software as HotkeyNet and AutoHotKey put together.

Included with the software that comes with the G15, there must be some that does the same sorts of things as AutoHotkey and HotkeyNet. The difference is, the G15's software acts on signals generated by a specialized keyboard, whereas AutoHotkey and HotkeyNet act on signals generated by ordinary keyboards. Therefore a product like the G15 must supply its own device driver, wherease AuthotKey and HotkeyNet rely on the Windows keyboard driver. This means a product like the G15 must necessarily supply all the software contained in a program like AutoHotKey or HotkeyNet, and then supply even more.

I agree....I reckon anything 'illegal' you can do with HKN you can also do with a G15.....

Regarding Vyndree's comment 'but to the uninformed user they are not recommended' Rather than this, I would suggest that the user take a little time to become informed and thereby make a decision based on facts
.......

[Frosty]

Regarding Vyndree's comment 'but to the uninformed user they are not recommended' Rather than this, I would suggest that the user take a little time to become informed and thereby make a decision based on facts
.......

I agree with you for the most part.
This is where the problem is though... "Some" of the uninformed can't be bothered to read-up and become informed. Or as we all like to refer to it "RTFM". :P

And I think as a whole, the community would rather see them not get in trouble either way as it reflects poorly on those who do take the time to read and become informed.
If one person is caught "cheating" then it might lead Blizzard to crack down on some of the freedoms we enjoy as multi-boxers.

Just my thoughts.