Keyclone (multi-boxing) for free?

[Khazrael]

If you ask me, the only different here is exposure. Both programs do some things that are perfectly legitimate, but has the capacity to do things that are not. One happens to have gained more exposure, and also made a bit of money, whereas the other hasn't.

If the other followed the same route, gained the same amount of exposure and made the same amount of money, it probably stands to reason that Blizzard would turn their all seeing eye towards it as well.

[Freddie]

I bet 'program that shall not be named' had the same thing infact I even went through the trouble of finding it for ya.

The Nameless Program is getting sued because it allows automation. The technical ground for the lawsuit is copyright violation, because the program reads WoW's memory and makes a copy of it.

HotkeyNet doesn't do anything like that. It can't do automation because it doesn't have loops or any method of detecting what's happening inside WoW. It can't be sued for copyright violation because it doesn't copy WoW's memory or even look at WoW's memory.

Honestly, really, it's crystal clear to programmers that there is a gigantic difference between the types of programs we're discussing. One type of program (the nameless kind) reads WoW's adress space, writes WoW's address space, reads WoW's packets, hooks WoW's DLL's, etc. This is blatantly against the rules. The other type doesn't do that sort of thing. None of the programs discussed in this forum are in the first category, so far as I know.

By the way, I'd really like your opinion of those pages I linked. Do you think they are okay? Do you think they should be changed?

[Gurblash]

Blizzard is: 911 Operator, Police Officer, Investegaitor, Jailor, Legal Council, Attorney General, Evidence Keeper, Judge, Jury, and Executioneer here (there are probably a few I forgot). There are no "rights" of the accused. And they can change thier mind whenever they want, without having to tell anybody, and with no reprecussions.

So why you can argue till your blue in the face about this or that - it doesn't matter - at alll. If someone at Blizzard doesn't like it, its over. Period.

Then it is their opinion I shall seek.

[Freddie]

Here is the flaw in the arguments though. You're comparing Blizzard's policy to US Laws... wrong!

I wasn't arguing. I was using an analogy to explain the significance of "violating a program's address space" since it's hard for non-programmers to understand. Of course you're right that laws and game rules are different.

[Occam's Razor]

Correct -- unfortunately my ability to identify foreign languages isn't great otherwise I could have moved him to the German forum (assuming that people's usernames are indeed named after their natural language). Perhaps if the OP would have had the chance to post more than once he would have clearly identified himself as German or wanting to move to the German forum and we could have done so.

Real quickly I want to state that I'm not taking sides in either of these, just trying to show some perspective so people don't turn this thread into a "He said, she said" argument. You'll see that my first post was a simple point-in-the-right direction and everything past that was just clarification on why the thread has degenerated into the state it has, as well as trying to calm people down so they don't lynch each other.

In any case, I can still see both sides of the coin. The German forum is still there -- he could still do a search IN GERMAN and come up with some useful topics. As I understand our german mod is also translating our stickies to german and writing his own german stickies. He could have also scrolled down and found some posts in his native language (if german IS his native language) and put his post in the correct place. So, I would have to say at this point both sides are still correct -- the OP doesn't seem to want to put a lot of effort into finding his answers -- which doesn't make for a person who will likely succeed finding answers on the free keyclone-like programs, and multiboxers who want things for free are not necesssarily TOU/EULA breakers.

Well, I'm fascinated with etymology, so I love studying patterns and common spellings and phrases that people who speak other languages are trying to type in English.
It also helps that on other forums I frequent, that I've had German and Spanish speaking forum members pointing out how people who speak those languages make some very common mistakes, in their phrasing, and spelling (kind of easy to spot really, since English is pretty much the only language that will put the Adjective BEFORE the Noun, whereas all other languages (AFAIK) put the noun BEFORE the adjective.

Example: In English we would say "Put on that Green Sweater", now if you LITERALLY translated most other languages on a word-for-word basis, they would translate "Put on that Sweater Green"
This is how it's works for me anyway. :P

It's just in my nature to watch out for the 'underdog' or 'newbie' I guess.

THE FOLLOWING IS NOT A FLAME, it is just what I thought, and my interpretations

What was going through my mind when I started reading the flames and intolerance in this thread at the beginning was, "How can a community that gets so falsely accused of cheating and botting
on an almost DAILY basis and hating the fact that these allegations get thrown at them CONSTANTLY", can so quickly jump on the accusation bandwagon and start accusing this newbie of:

1. Wanting a pirated version of Keyclone. (If everyone had exercised a bit more reading comprehension and less jumping to conclusions it would've helped here)
2. Being a 'loser' for wanting a FREE software solution to multiboxing, because each account costs $15, how DARE anyone try to cut a little bit of expense off! ^^ (that's like saying "Hey you bought a HumVee, you HAVE to buy the expensive gas!)
3. And getting the argument that if you have the money to have multiple accounts, then everything else you do that requires Mulitboxing ALSO has to be expensive (sounds a little elitist actually)
4. Being lazy (there are no 'lazy' multiboxers, multiple key presses/combinations FTW!)

Anyway, your points are well taken Vyndree, I just wanted to give my honest side and view of this entire thing as well

You have my respect for what you do on the official forums, and I guess you can say, in a way, I was emulating you, by sticking up for that guy here, that everyone jumped on, just like how you defend
(almost daily) multiboxers who are blindly jumped on in the Blizzard forums

Peace
/Hugs

[Otlecs]

I just want to say how glad I am to have Occam's Razor in this thread and in our community. What he so eloquently says saves me a whole load of typing

[Ifalna]

I just want to say how glad I am to have Occam's Razor in this thread and in our community. What he so eloquently says saves me a whole load of typing

Fully agree /clap

[Vyndree]

Anyway, your points are well taken Vyndree, I just wanted to give my honest side and view of this entire thing as well

Absolutely, and I respect yours and everyone else's honest opinions on this board

Sometimes people can be too quick to jump to conclusions -- that was my primary concern in this case. It's very easy to take offense from the typed word because it's hard to convey emotions without billions of these guys: :P

So I would say my only comment here is (to everyone) -- be careful with what you say. You may be right, but people might not interpret your words with the same emotion as you intended. When you're reading someone else's post, it's usually good to assume that they mean the best -- they're usually not attacking you. And if you have a problem with the "tone" in someone's post or you feel personally attacked feel free to talk to a mod and we'd be happy to mediate. If you're writing a post, re-read it before you hit "submit" to make sure that you've written something clearly and hopefully won't get taken the wrong way.

In any case, it's all common sense but I thought I'd throw that out there.

[Frosty]

Can we all just have a group hug now?..... X 5? :P

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Yes, you alliance folks do a group hug.

/cast blast wave
/aoe spam