OK first post as everythign has been working flawlessly up to LVL 54 on my shaman team now. ( bonechewer alliance). I updated keyclone to 1.84J and made commands etc etc but when i loaded my bongosII layout was shot and my /macros was empty, I browsed to the folders and all the files ( macros-cache.local etc) still all had them loaded. I then went and loaded previous version of keyclone and everythign was back to normal? is this caused by the fact i put keyclone in a new directory and didnt uninstall previous? i utulized all the same pointers when i made the new commands. also a side note maybe related maybe not i did not update the keyclone on the 2nd machine as i wanted to test stability and such before i updated both. Thank You.