5 Palys? 4 Arms/Fury warriors and a Holy Paly? dumb idea or hmm...

[Shaitan256]

Reckoning was the Translation for it

Yeah thats evil, if Both Procs 3 strikes @ once + Seal of Light, that's how I run on lvl 35 SM Cath ^^ it doesn't matter if I don't do cause my healer is well geared. but it's fun heal myself against up to 3 Mobs without Problems. (did it on my 5 man setup, that's how I got the Idea for that, and of course because everyone doing Shaman- I'm going Pala )

The Ret's getting the 12% too and the WF, and they have 2handed weapons. Hope Righteous Fury is gives enough aggro to hold it But I'm sure it's going to work.

Edit:
Hm wouldn't be the Best 3 Paladin's 2 Shamans, 1 Enhancement 1 Resto? 2nd totemline and the Extra AP for everyone? or is 4 Pally 1 Shaman better? I mean too much Pallies don't scale so much do they? (compared to 3)

[voodoogriff]

Most of the damage done by Ret Paladins is physical, so they'd be getting +2%. And a 3 Paladin/2 Shaman group would have the advantage of also having Wrath of Air (for aggro for the Paladin), Healing Stream from the Resto and Mana Spring from the Enh.

Because I'm bored, I threw together some talent trees for a 4 Paladin set up with 1 Prot, 3 Ret.

Imp Devotion Aura, Imp Might (3 Extra Points)
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sEZxhZE0ct0chVIot

Imp Sanct Aura, Imp Seal of the Crusader (2 Extra Points)
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sxZxhZVfct0cuiIot

Imp Retribution Aura and Blessing of Kings(3 Extra Points)
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sxZxhZVfct0fhVIot

Classic Prot Paladin Build
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZVhtIx0dMgqtVbx

Prot Paladin without extra Parry, but with Reckoning
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZVhtIx0dggqtVb

If you were going 5 paladins, the 5th would be holy, giving you Improved Wisdom and Concentration Aura.

[Shaitan256]

I made some as well, to the Fact that I have only 3 Pallies I made them so everyone can Have Imp Wisdom +SoK , Sanctuary for tank + Imp Might for the 2 Retributions, also Every Aura (except Devotion because only ~400 Armor aren't worth 5 Points) Retribution and (the Holy aura, don't know the name in the Moment, Sanctity was it?) Your Builds are looking good, but My Tank was with 5 Parry and with Reckoning, but I left the Imp Judgement and the + hit away, I don't know what's better, so I guessed "avoidance" was the Better choice, ok if you can't hit you can't get aggro , hm maybe I should get some Informations through Forum's and Wowwiki or something

Ah yes for my Shaman I have the Blessings BoK, Imp BoW, "Bo30%aggroreduce" , altered a bit with different classes, MAybe a rogue or something, but I kept the Idea of this setup, And I Hope the DK will fit in it too, that would be Awesome.

I've also specced the Imp devotion aura on my Retris to get to Kings I'm going to look for them and edit them here.

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I'm sory these are german, but the Icons are the same, I guess there's no Problem.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Back on topic...

After thinking some more about this, Zruam, my general thoughts are as follows:

• Warriors are OK but a fair portion of their rage generation is done from taking damage, and since only one will be getting hit at any given time (aside from larger pulls) I'd think they would have rage issues.
• 5 pallies have a TON of synergy. Consider that the following things can be active on everyone simultaneously:
  • Sanctity aura
  • Concentration aura
  • Armor aura
  • Retribution aura
  • A resist aura
    OR
  • Shadow resist aura
  • Fire resist aura
  • Frost resist aura
  • Armor aura
  • Retribution aura
    AND
  • Judgement of wisdom
  • Judgement of light
  • Judgement of crusader
  • Judgement of justice
  • 5x consecrates
  • Blessing of light
  • Blessing of might
  • Blessing of sanctuary
  • Blessing of wisdom
  • Blessing of kings
  • Seal of Light/righteousness/etc., whatever is needed
  • 5x targeted, long-duration stun on round-robin
  • And let us not forget mount speed aura. :love: Gawd I'm addicted to that thing.
• 4 wars + holy pally isn't optimal IMO because you lose 20% of your damage output right off the bat. They're already in plate so they won't be taking that much damage anyway.
• 4 wars + shammy would be pretty neat due to totems/windfury/ and wipe prevention.
• 4 pallies + war would be OK because you'd have most of the seal/aura/blessing synergy and be able to keep the warrior healed easily/cheaply and constantly full of rage.
• 4 pallies + enhance shammy would be about as good as 5 pallies with the addition of nature resist aura, windfury/flametongue/grounding/tremor, a double-armor aura (stoneskin+devotion) and wipe prevention.

So, given my druthers, I think I'd do all 5 as pallies or 4 pallies and an enhancement shammy over the other choices. Hardest decision for me would be the choice of making the 5th another pally or a shammy.

I've been giving some thought to doing this but they'll have to wait for my hunters and druids.

[edit] Ebolah has been doing a pally group on the side for a while. Should ask him how that's going.

[Shaitan256]

• 4 wars + holy pally isn't optimal IMO because you lose 20% of your damage output right off the bat. They're already in plate so they won't be taking that much damage anyway.
• 4 wars + shammy would be pretty neat due to totems/windfury/ and wipe prevention.
• 4 pallies + war would be OK because you'd have most of the seal/aura/blessing synergy and be able to keep the warrior healed easily/cheaply and constantly full of rage.
• 4 pallies + enhance shammy would be about as good as 5 pallies with the addition of nature resist aura, windfury/flametongue/grounding/tremor, a double-armor aura (stoneskin+devotion) and wipe prevention.

Wouldn't 2 shamies be the Better choice1 Enhancement + Resto?, ok I don't know what you would be after with this Crews / If you start one of these. Wouldn't it be a greater Bonus for the Group? And there aren't so much extra buttons to set, I guess it would be better, and you don't really need the devotion aura when you're needing a Resi aura, you could your tank to resi aura, because you don't realy need the Devotion against spells

The more and More I write about the 2nd Shaman the more I wanna start with a 2nd

Hm I guess it wouldn't be able to Run Heroics such a Crew, would it?

[Ughmahedhurtz]

One thing I've learned. If you're not doing hard elites, losing that extra 20-40% DPS is a lose-lose proposition. This is one of the reasons why 5-shammy groups do so well in PVP.

[Shaitan256]

One thing I've learned. If you're not doing hard elites, losing that extra 20-40% DPS is a lose-lose proposition. This is one of the reasons why 5-shammy groups do so well in PVP.

I'm so sorry, but even if I translate this I can't get the clue how it's refered to my question, if it would be possible to get heroics with it.

That's How I understand it, I guess I'm in the wrong corner of my brain, if there exists one(after this I'm not really sure):
So you mean I could beat not "hard" elite's with it, so I guess you mean, If I'm well geared, like full Blue+ some Crafted Epics/a bit PvP Honor/Arena Gear, I could run little Heroics like The 2 in Hellfire? Is it that what you mean? Then it was quite easy, but then you say something like lose 20-40% DPS, I mean, change a Paladin into a Shaman is a loss of 20-40%?
The only thing what I'm losing is 1 Paladin, and place 1 Enhanceman. So he won't get 10% holy dmg+ , that's all, and all other Seals and Blessings/Auras (with 3 you get everything you need for DPSing can see on my builds I posted before, they're not the best builds but they work as a team I guess) You get the AP(for Whole GRP) buff after a Crit with Shaman, You get the Second Totem Line Stoneskin + Strength of Earth, Windfury + Wrath of Air, and so on. Another 2 Elemental. Can't see a loss their, only a win.

My head hurts(Edit: haha, oh my , didn't noticed what I was writing, please don't take it too serious), It's 4:40 AM here and I haven't slept, and I have to go in a few hours so no Time to sleep , haha

Hope you understand what I'm asking for.

Argh, don't know how it's called so, do you know some kind of Brainlightning or something?(it's some kind of you get the trick behind something suddenly) Translator didn't get it. Ahh, just got one.
So you thought I meant my 4man crew? that'S why you meant this 20-40% loss of DPS? I guess my english is giving up extremely, hope it's not like old egyptian, with crows and catsn stuff.
Before I ran heroics I would start a 5th Character of course, I guess I should start a fifth

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Wouldn't 2 shamies be the Better choice1 Enhancement + Resto?,

That's what I was referring to. Dropping a DPS character for a healer is fine in PVE but in PVP you lose 20-25% DPS minimum immediately, which is 3-8k damage in the first 3-5 seconds of any battle. I've found that to be a big problem against well-geared opponents like warriors with 13k health.

I guess my english is giving up extremely, hope it's not like old egyptian, with crows and catsn stuff.

LOL @ hieroglyphics.

[Shaitan256]

LOL @ hieroglyphics.

^^Thought it could be called different in english. But you understood

Ah you thought about PvP, hehe, I was only talking about PvE, Yeah for PvP I would Take 3/4Pallies (Retribution) rest Shamans(enhancement) I guess I try Pvp with them, but the Fact that they stop following is annoying , can't follow the enemy like this, but you get 1/2 FShock and 3/4 HoJ then 3/4 SotC, and Boom I guess I try it with alternative Movement keys like wasd, but a few buttons, more on the left site of my Keboard like IJKL or something, and try to catch up with enemies fleeing. Gonna smash 'em all, with my Holy Fury haha.

Now your sentences make sense to me, thanks

[ImaHealer]

Update on my attempt at the 5xPaly thingy
attained lvl 6 with a team of 5x Dwarven Palys
going to try for lvl 10 with them here and there
but.

1 word.... Ouch
I think, that once I get a much better understanding
of movement with 5 toons this will be much easier
working on movement and placement of followers
is critical when you don't have Consecration yet lol

I will be placing them on standby for a while until I
get a bit more experience with movement and all
but to be perfectly honest I see a real potential at
higher lvls for this team :-)

Thanks to everyone who gave input!