Botter Banstick (i.e. Don't Multi-Bot!)

[Tonuss]

I'm wondering how many of the "innocent" people posting on the epic ban thread used a powerlevel service in the past, or bought their account. Sure, they never, ever botted, but look at the guy Vrak pwned - sounds like he got powerleveled, and got banned for it.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who noticed months ago how brazen people were getting talking freely in the forums and in the game how they bought accounts, used powerlevelers, afked for honor, because nobody ever got banned for it.

Oops.

One of the things I've learned from browsing the Customer Service forums for a few weeks now, is that many people have absolutely no clue as to just how much information Blizzard logs. This isn't a criticism, BTW-- I was surprised as well when I realized just how much information they could access. Sent a /whisper to someone? It's been logged. Talked in guild chat? It's been logged. The 500 enchants you performed on a level 1 bracer to get skill ups? Logged. Logged in to WoW from work? Your IP shows up in the log. Logged in from New York at 10am and from Beijing at 10:15am? They can see it.

Therefore, people will go to the forums and make up all kinds of stories, or just claim that they were caught by some automated process that mistakenly flagged them. They don't understand that Blizzard can see everything they've done, and thus when a blue poster explains their actions right down to the last detail, they're caught. Some of them realize they're hosed and just leave, but others will continue to try to lie their way through.

There was a recent thread where a mother was furious that her son had been stripped of gold and his entire enchanting skill because he had been reported for scamming, when he claimed that he had simply DCed and that the mats had disappeared as a result. Blue reply: Uh, lady? Your kid took the mats, transferred them to an alt, and sold them on the AH. BTW... he never had enchanting skill, he was mining/engineering.

There was another thread where a player complained that his nephew had found his wallet, logged into the account website, and used his credit card to transfer his main character from a PvE to a PvP server, and he was upset that Blizzard had not allowed him to reverse the action. Blue reply: Uh, dude? You and your guild mates chatted about moving for weeks, the transfer was made from an IP outside of your home, we have logs of you discussing how cool your new server was, and you also put in a ticket to swap some heroic badge gear. Two weeks later you "just noticed" that your "nephew" transferred your character?

The CS forum is great for this stuff, there is usually at least one thread that goes this way. Quality stuff.

[Havelcek]

This isn't about Keyclone. If they decided that Keyclone was illegal than Warden would get updated and we would all get banned together.

It looks like Blizzard got ahead of Glider and nailed a bunch of those folks. It happens.

[Eteocles]

There was a recent thread where a mother was furious that her son had been stripped of gold and his entire enchanting skill because he had been reported for scamming, when he claimed that he had simply DCed and that the mats had disappeared as a result. Blue reply: Uh, lady? Your kid took the mats, transferred them to an alt, and sold them on the AH. BTW... he never had enchanting skill, he was mining/engineering.

Oh god that thread was absolute comedy gold...I lol'd my ass off at it.

The other example you got slightly wrong...it was to pve from pvp, and the transfer was made within his home, just from a different computer/MAC address(they log your modem/router MACs too; Blizzard is the fucking KGB when it comes to info yo), the rest was right; he discussed it with guildies and gloated about how good it was etc like you said, also comedy gold :P

Similar things in the VAC steam forums..."BURGLARS BROKE INTO MY HOUSE AND USED MY COMPUTER TO HAX THE GOVERNMENT, OH AND THEY ALSO DOWNLOADED CHEATZ FOR COUNTERSTRIKE AND CHEATED WHILE THEY WERE HAXING THE GUVMENT"...or the one post I linked here a month or two ago where a guy asked "WILL I GET VAC-BANNED IF I'M RUNNING A WOW GLIDER BOT WITH STEAM OPEN?"...yeah. Just two of many gems. That's why I read them, like a train wreck...it's both sad(losing my faith in humanity as they lie through their teeth even when proven wrong) but entertaining(lol burglars broke in to hax the guvment + counterstrike)

[yarr]

There was a recent thread where a mother was furious that her son had been stripped of gold and his entire enchanting skill because he had been reported for scamming, when he claimed that he had simply DCed and that the mats had disappeared as a result. Blue reply: Uh, lady? Your kid took the mats, transferred them to an alt, and sold them on the AH. BTW... he never had enchanting skill, he was mining/engineering.

Oh god that thread was absolute comedy gold...I lol'd my ass off at it.

The other example you got slightly wrong...it was to pve from pvp, and the transfer was made within his home, just from a different computer/MAC address(they log your modem/router MACs too; Blizzard is the fucking KGB when it comes to info yo), the rest was right; he discussed it with guildies and gloated about how good it was etc like you said, also comedy gold :P

Similar things in the VAC steam forums..."BURGLARS BROKE INTO MY HOUSE AND USED MY COMPUTER TO HAX THE GOVERNMENT, OH AND THEY ALSO DOWNLOADED CHEATZ FOR COUNTERSTRIKE AND CHEATED WHILE THEY WERE HAXING THE GUVMENT"...or the one post I linked here a month or two ago where a guy asked "WILL I GET VAC-BANNED IF I'M RUNNING A WOW GLIDER BOT WITH STEAM OPEN?"...yeah. Just two of many gems. That's why I read them, like a train wreck...it's both sad(losing my faith in humanity as they lie through their teeth even when proven wrong) but entertaining(lol burglars broke in to hax the guvment + counterstrike)

Hehe yeah. The reason he wanted the transfer "undone" was because you can't transfer from a pve server to a pvp server. So once he had made the transfer, he was basically stuck. His only choice to undo his mistake was to claim the original transfer was made fraudulently.

Too bad for him Blizzard keeps records of things he wasnt counting on

[Gadzooks]

I'm wondering how many of the "innocent" people posting on the epic ban thread used a powerlevel service in the past, or bought their account. Sure, they never, ever botted, but look at the guy Vrak pwned - sounds like he got powerleveled, and got banned for it.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who noticed months ago how brazen people were getting talking freely in the forums and in the game how they bought accounts, used powerlevelers, afked for honor, because nobody ever got banned for it.

Oops.

One of the things I've learned from browsing the Customer Service forums for a few weeks now, is that many people have absolutely no clue as to just how much information Blizzard logs. This isn't a criticism, BTW-- I was surprised as well when I realized just how much information they could access. Sent a /whisper to someone? It's been logged. Talked in guild chat? It's been logged. The 500 enchants you performed on a level 1 bracer to get skill ups? Logged. Logged in to WoW from work? Your IP shows up in the log. Logged in from New York at 10am and from Beijing at 10:15am? They can see it.

Therefore, people will go to the forums and make up all kinds of stories, or just claim that they were caught by some automated process that mistakenly flagged them. They don't understand that Blizzard can see everything they've done, and thus when a blue poster explains their actions right down to the last detail, they're caught. Some of them realize they're hosed and just leave, but others will continue to try to lie their way through.

There was a recent thread where a mother was furious that her son had been stripped of gold and his entire enchanting skill because he had been reported for scamming, when he claimed that he had simply DCed and that the mats had disappeared as a result. Blue reply: Uh, lady? Your kid took the mats, transferred them to an alt, and sold them on the AH. BTW... he never had enchanting skill, he was mining/engineering.

There was another thread where a player complained that his nephew had found his wallet, logged into the account website, and used his credit card to transfer his main character from a PvE to a PvP server, and he was upset that Blizzard had not allowed him to reverse the action. Blue reply: Uh, dude? You and your guild mates chatted about moving for weeks, the transfer was made from an IP outside of your home, we have logs of you discussing how cool your new server was, and you also put in a ticket to swap some heroic badge gear. Two weeks later you "just noticed" that your "nephew" transferred your character?

The CS forum is great for this stuff, there is usually at least one thread that goes this way. Quality stuff.

Yup - the CS Blues seem to enjoy their jobs a LOT.

Could you imagine, reading the QQ posts, tabbing to another screen,and seeing irrefutable proof that person is lying? DREAM JOB. Plus, it looks to me like they have a policy, that if you get annoying/rude enough, they WILL make your issue public and post details.

I'm reading enough to see when they make sly commentary, too, nothing they could get pinned down on, but indicates they know the poster is lying, and they're giving them enough rope to hang themselves. It's VERY entertaining.

I used to wonder why the Blues in general could'nt be more like the CS Blues, now I see why. General is the cesspool, any kind of interaction like the CS Blues have is impossible. General is the cool off line CS uses, to park those who need to vent or just cause trouble. I swear, I laugh at how half of General are just twits who lie in wait to make fun of people's armory profile, or tell people to post on their mains. Ugh.

In the epic ban thread, there was a very humorous series of posts by a woman who was asking about her brother's account. He could NEVER bot, he knows nothing about computers, and she "locked" his computer down, how dare they ban him! Comes back today, yeah, his account is banned for good, it was a legit banning, and she needs to examine her playstyle too. Oh, reaaaally. eMy guess, afk botting and/or fishing bots. Not all bans were for Glider,i suspect.

Now if you want some real fun, go browse the Glider forums, and MMowned, the home of the WoW hackers and exploiters. Take a long hot shower afterwards. My, SUCH nerd cheater rage!

[yarr]

lol, i looked on the [name of program removed] forums, pretty funny



im sure half of these people on wow official forums saying "I have NEVER used a bot EVER EVER EVER" are the same ones posting on [removed] forums "=( i botted and got banned"

people a lot more honest when they are among other cheaters lol!

Like an AA meeting

EDIT: Quotes

srsly, stop making posts about this ban wave and trying to be funny in them, some ppl lost serious accounts like t6 characters and such, it just makes them feel worse then they already feel.

Same Person (after people ridicule him for botting with his t6 account)

I never botted my t6 character, i botted other accounts to sell, glider was always running on my pc.

Funny that multiboxers are always accused of account selling. How the tables have turned! Botters fessing up!




Another person

I completely agree... lost full epic tank geared warrior, 4x vengefull / full pvp epic lock, and a full pvp epic geared mage ... well only comment i have to say ,,, w8 for the bot to get safe and ill be up asap :P

lol no remorse here i guess... they never learn do they?

Same I can see it on CNN "Mass suicde in the glider cult community today....."

I also saw a bunch of people saying how stupid blizzard is for banning people just as AoC is coming out... "Everyone will reroll to AoC and blizzard will lose sooooooo much money"



I think that this is the whole point. Blizz is "passing" all of their cheaters/botters/account sellers to AoC! Of course many of the botters are too stubborn and will stay with WoW, sadly. But these people end up paying blizzard an extra 50 bucks for a battle chest! For the privelege of getting banned! =)

So tell me why multiboxers aren't being banned for use of 3rd party software.

Lol! wow of all places to see multiboxer-QQ, the last place I expected to see it was on a botter forum! I suppose they are just jealous they are banned and we are not? Even though they knew they were cheating and did it anyway... whereas we know we are not cheating. Huge difference!

Dear "EU GM"

GFY.....maybe if you fixed your game and made it ENJOYABLE there wouldnt be so many bots. oh yea

Yeah I think getting rid of the botters and win traders was step 1!

[Eteocles]

lol no remorse here i guess... they never learn do they?

S'why VAC Bans are permanent now...Valve tried banning them for 1, 2, then 5 years...despite 2+ years passing people came back and got right back to cheating. So all bans, future and existing ones with time limits, were irreversibly made permanent; good effin riddance to 'em too.

And that last quote about us...oh god lolz..."WTF WE BOTTED AND GOT BANNED BUT THE MULTIBOXERS WHO WE THINK CHEAT BUT HAVE BEEN TOLD COUNTLESS TIMES THAT THEY DONT, DIDNT GET BANNED?! WAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH." hahahahaha...oh lord if anyone needed proof we don't bot they finally got it with this ban wave. Gliders're gone for the moment and multi-boxers're all still playing in full force.

[Maz]

Some botter posted on the EU forums that he got banned.

So he logged on with his mates account to see if anything was wrong and... his mate got banned.

So he logged on with his brother's account...

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

I actually cried at that one. And not in a bad way

[Gadzooks]

Some botter posted on the EU forums that he got banned.

So he logged on with his mates account to see if anything was wrong and... his mate got banned.

So he logged on with his brother's account...

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

I actually cried at that one. And not in a bad way

To quote Larry Niven, "It's evolution in action".

Yeah, it's ironic in the extreme that while we get accused of selling accounts and selling gold, yet the botters, a lot of whom seem to be T5/T6 raiders, are the guilty ones. Can you say "projection"? LOL. I'm wondering how much of an effect this will have on the raider's tears in the forums, as I'm seeing a LOT of raiders saying they were banned, or their main tank was banned. That would be the ultimate justice, if a lot of those "Welfare Epics" crybabies got banned for being cheaters. "Hey maaaan, I'm too busy to raid AND farm, it's not cheating, it's Blizzard's fault for not handing me money for being so special."

Seriously, a kid posted yesterday that his brother had 6 accounts he was botting with to sell gold and accounts. But NOOOOOO, we're the bad guys. Why? Because for all of their botting and cheating, they still get WTFPWNED by 5 man teams in BGs.


It seems someone at Blizzard woke up earlier this year and realized how infested with cheaters and spammers and exploiters the game had gotten. Thank google!

I grabbed this from one of the botter forums. Don't know if it's true, the EU forums keep stalling out on me here in CA, maybe they're a little busy today...ahem...if true, this is epic, it's a realm side AI flagging them:


1. This ban wave is the biggest one in history and it's not over yet.
2. It's not the WARDEN or PRELCH detection
3. 99% of botters are gaining xp only from killing monsters. No logged quests AT ALL (excluding some class qs). NO DUNGEON instances recorded on realm AT ALL. No quest/dungeon drop gear - only BoE. Boar named boar, cat named cat, 85% boted druids have no aquatic form, etc. Over 90% botters are guild less. Realm side pretty-smart AI scripts flag such an account for manual investigation in 90% cases. The 10% are player reports.
4. Manual investigation can be veeeeery long. You can be flagged for ban 3-4 months before next planned ban weave.
5. We ban you in waves - yes. It's just our policy. Incidental bans are ALWAYS because of intensive and multiple GM tickets OR intensive realm economy exploitation.

Don't focus on client-side detection, while most boting signs are noticed by realm-side AI scripts Custom classes won't help you at all.

WE KNOW YOU ARE BOTING AFTER ONE SECOND, BECAUSE OF GLIDER ABNORMAL LOOT STYLE DETECTED BY REALM SIDE SCRIPT FOR AGES

Custom classes doesn't help you at all being more human like. And PPather makes manual detection MUCH easier

All GMs and SSs have a great time reading "We know how to become undetected" posts here.

Well, since it's not software detection related, many of you can survive if were not flagged for investigation Till the next time

[Kaynin]

Ack, I kept myself in for this long a time, but I can't take it anymore!

To the title of the thread: How about just don't bot at all? :P The title bugs me. xD