Are we too harsh?

[kllrwlf]

The posts that I'm annoyed with are the vague, general questions.

Like:

1. "Wow, cool, how do I multibox?" - (very vague, person didn't even bother reading the stickies or doing a search. Just came to the forums, registered, posted this question and waiting for someone to do it for them).
2. "What classes should I pick?" - (again... vague. person doesn't even have an idea of which classes they want to play, just waiting for someone to give them a L33T setup)
3. "I don't have money, for accounts or for computers... help!" - I understand wanting to save money and all that... but you need money to do this. At least enough for your computers and multiple accounts.
4. "I'm using my brother/friends/cousins/whatever account...." - Against the TOS... expect a ban... but they want to fight the reason why they would get noticed more by GMs and that it's "ok" to do it.
5. "How do you spread out" - OMFG-- RTFS !!!!

The ones I don't mind would be:

1. "Wow, cool, I downloaded keyclone, have my computers setup, but for some reason one of my toons isn't working correctly." - Specific question.
2. "I'm thinking of a Paly, Mage, Shaman, Druid, Hunter setup.. what do you think" - Again, specific.
3. "My room is getting too hot with all 5 computers running, do you think this computer model, do you think it'll work?" - Specific question

Helping is good... that's what the forums are for, to help and share ideas and information.

Forums are not for holding your hand and hand-feeding you information.

[Buzzatronic]

Forums made up of mostly technically oriented people tend to be harsh in general since most people who are technical by nature are not usually the best with people. This forum is no different than any other technical forum I've visited in the past in this regard.

Forums also trend towards cliques or mob think in regards to certain topics and those who stray against the norm (or question the clique leaders) are typically beaten up pretty quickly by the mob or the self-designated defenders. This forum is no different than any other forum I've visited in the past in this regard as well.

Ultimately it doesn't matter since the forum is what it is and the people and personalities in the forum are not going to change.

[Khazrael]

Forums made up of mostly technically oriented people tend to be harsh in general since most people who are technical by nature are not usually the best with people. This forum is no different than any other technical forum I've visited in the past in this regard.

I'm a people person... I'm good with people! WHY CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?!

[Ken]

Forums made up of mostly technically oriented people tend to be harsh in general since most people who are technical by nature are not usually the best with people. This forum is no different than any other technical forum I've visited in the past in this regard.

If a community exists out of mostly technically-skilled people, it usually means that the topic requires some technical skills. Or in other words: people that don't have these technical skills or don't want to learn those skills(not directly related to multiboxing) probably don't belong here. People expect at least a minimum of self-teaching abilities here. That's not really an elitist requirement.
Most people that leave quickly seem to think that multiboxing is cheap and easy because it looks easy when they seem videos or see multiboxing characters in the game.

Forums also trend towards cliques or mob think in regards to certain topics and those who stray against the norm (or question the clique leaders) are typically beaten up pretty quickly by the mob or the self-designated defenders. This forum is no different than any other forum I've visited in the past in this regard as well.

Ultimately it doesn't matter since the forum is what it is and the people and personalities in the forum are not going to change.

Do you really know the 'leaders'(admins and moderators) here? Because they are actually very open-minded people.
I have to say that I have gone against a quite few things here(wikifrontpage, wiki logo, wiki category structure) and even as a newbie I actually got results. (changed the frontpage, almost got the new logo through, wiki category system is open for discussion again, etc.)
So I don 't really think that we have mobs and cliques of mobs. People are generally very nice and open about all the content that is available here. That's also why I like to hang around here.

[Buzzatronic]

Do you really know the 'leaders'(admins and moderators) here? Because they are actually very open-minded people.
I have to say that I have gone against a quite few things here(wikifrontpage, wiki logo, wiki category structure) and even as a newbie I actually got results. (changed the frontpage, almost got the new logo through, wiki category system is open for discussion again, etc.)
So I don 't really think that we have mobs and cliques of mobs. People are generally very nice and open about all the content that is available here. That's also why I like to hang around here.

Your response illustrates my point perfectly.

[Ken]

Your response illustrates my point perfectly.

So... I give a whole constructive reasoning why your post doesn't make sense to me and then you counter that - without any arguments whatsoever - by saying that I just proved you right. Come on!

If you find me harsh or if you find my post related to clique-mob behavior, please explain how. It's not because I have a defensive stance towards the crew that I'm showing clique-mob behavior. I think that by going against quite a few things here that I have proven not to be part of such behavior.

[Eteocles]

I'm definantly not part of a clique or baaing with any sheep...if I've got an opinion, I don't give 2 fucks who's on which side of it, I'll voice it But you know you all still <3 me anyways, why, noone knows. lolz

I believe the term I'm thinking of is that I'm an "Equal-Opportunity Asshole" ;D

[Vyndree]

I believe the term I'm thinking of is that I'm an "Equal-Opportunity Asshole" ;D

QFT. ;)

<3

I do agree that some certain folks are quite defensive of Rob/Keyclone being that so many have had good experiences with him and his software. That would be the ONLY place where I can see any sort of "cliquish" behavior going on -- but it's usually in response to a generally nasty accusational thread. In that way, I think it's a justified reaction from a passionate fanbase.

[Eteocles]

Hah, <3 Vyn :P

[Buzzatronic]

Your response illustrates my point perfectly.

So... I give a whole constructive reasoning why your post doesn't make sense to me and then you counter that - without any arguments whatsoever - by saying that I just proved you right. Come on!

If you find me harsh or if you find my post related to clique-mob behavior, please explain how. It's not because I have a defensive stance towards the crew that I'm showing clique-mob behavior. I think that by going against quite a few things here that I have proven not to be part of such behavior.

So I basically say that it's my opinion that internet forums in general tend to breed a need for some users to become self appointed defenders of other users against attacks (both actual and created) and that this forum is no different than any other forum I've visited in this regard. You respond with a defense of people (who I never once mentioned or even eluded to) and how open-minded and nice they are.

Do you seriously not see how that illustrates my point perfectly?

I'm not saying what you say or feel is wrong, all I'm saying is that the behavior is normal and that this forum is no better or worse than most others I've seen. That is not an attack on anyone, but if you still feel a need to defend the good name of others who such a statement does attack, go for it.