Are we too harsh?

[OzPhoenix]

As a result of this discussion(and earlier consideration), I decided it was time to create a better "getting started" guide on the wiki. The previous one was very specific about hardware and software considerations, where the current one is more of a generic guide with simple practical samples and most of all: links to all the relevant pages with specific/detailed information.
http://www.dual-boxing.com/wiki/inde...etting_started

(the old article is still mentioned in the introduction)

Glad to see it - I would be happy to help in whatever way I can. Feel free to PM if you like and I could perhaps contribute something to it.

[Anjuna]

I just started here less than a week ago and I have found you guys to be very helpful. Not harsh in any way, shape or form. I know, for me, the 1st few days were pretty rough, I felt like my head was going to explode while trying to learn. Maybe the same thing is happening to some people and they give up, I dunno.

[Ken]

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Glad to see it - I would be happy to help in whatever way I can. Feel free to PM if you like and I could perhaps contribute something to it.

You're always welcome to add stuff. Just go out there and edit/create pages!
When you're not sure if you can add/change certain things, please drop me(or Djarid) a message or open a topic about it on the wiki forum category.

[OzPhoenix]

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Glad to see it - I would be happy to help in whatever way I can. Feel free to PM if you like and I could perhaps contribute something to it.

You're always welcome to add stuff. Just go out there and edit/create pages!
When you're not sure if you can add/change certain things, please drop me(or Djarid) a message or open a topic about it on the wiki forum category.

Will do. The missus is heading off this weekend for some time with her friends, so I'll have some time to do something. I think a collabrative effort will work much better than one person (or a few) trying to do it all, and by all, I was thinking of a Wiki that takes someone right from the beginning through to their 10th level or so (explaining for example, that yes, you do really really wanna skip collection quests etc).

For starters, I'd be happy to write up something first of all in the "Getting Started" section. I know for myself, I botched my account creations (one of them didn't use my refer-a-friend, costing me a months free time on my main), and a few other mistakes.

It might be worth making a specific "So, you've decided to 5-box WoW" section and get specific on Shamans given how much people tend to use them, and it could launch people into more diversified grouping. For a get-go, I'll write up a "Making 5 WoW Accounts" section out and see what you all think of it.

[OzPhoenix]

I just started here less than a week ago and I have found you guys to be very helpful. Not harsh in any way, shape or form. I know, for me, the 1st few days were pretty rough, I felt like my head was going to explode while trying to learn. Maybe the same thing is happening to some people and they give up, I dunno.

I think that's an ongoing process. I know for me, the biggest single reason why my team is levelling so slowly is every few levels I have to stop and re-write macros as I get to understand them better and make more efficient use of the limited space given to us by Blizz for them. If I took out my macro time, I'd be closer to 40 now instead of 30 given my /played time on the Shammies.

[Ken]

[...]I was thinking of a Wiki that takes someone right from the beginning through to their 10th level or so (explaining for example, that yes, you do really really wanna skip collection quests etc).

You have to be careful about these things, because - for example - collection quests shouldn't be skipped if you're 2-boxing

It might be worth making a specific "So, you've decided to 5-box WoW" section and get specific on Shamans given how much people tend to use them, and it could launch people into more diversified grouping. For a get-go, I'll write up a "Making 5 WoW Accounts" section out and see what you all think of it.

Good idea @ account creation section.

[OzPhoenix]

Will write it up this weekend then as a starter, and go from there.

As to levelling one, I was again thinking of a 5-shaman specific "walkthrough" as once that was in place, it would be much easier for people to diversify from there.

[Eteocles]

the 1st few days were pretty rough, I felt like my head was going to explode while trying to learn.

This is exactly how I felt starting my current job dealing with credit card chargebacks and the like...my head literally felt like it would explode from all the information I had to learn just to READ the info let alone PROCESS it. Now, it's quite literally 2nd nature and I just skim through and find the relevant info and know exactly where to look and click.

I personally strongly believe in learning and doing things yourself. The only person you can always depend on is yourself. If you can't do that noone else can help you. Not just in multi-boxing but as a life skill in general; learn to fish, don't take a fish. :P That said, most of you HAVE done so; you newer guys are just a testament that it's not that big of a problem to start, especially with how much info is available now compared to when I started when the forums consisted of a dozen simple posts, 99% of which were Keyclone, with a single post for AHK and maybe one other option that wasn't hardware.(And yes, it was in the blinding snow, uphill, both ways, you whippersnappers.) Between Keyclone and the info here it's quite literally easier than ever to box, hence why our numbers are growing so much

I vote our new response to "What do I do first?" be "Grow a thick skin and prepare for flaming."; if you can't deal with what little "flaming" is seen here, then you're in for a world of hurt and banning when the REAL dickheads start in on you for being a, quote, "lifeless loser who wastes his parent's money on a game from their basement cuz he can't kill with a solo char and NEEDS 5 chars to win, who is also cheating, going to sell ALL their hard work on ebay, and is using bots to play them to boot."; tl;dr: You think this is bad? The WoW "Community" will be an absolute nightmare then. :P

However, I will agree the stickies need cleaning up; I've posted no less than THREE FUCKING TIMES how to clean them up and merge similar threads into one to save space and searching but even after the wiki was done not one damn sticky was un-stickied or merged. At this point during my next "boring friday at work" I may just write up a far more comprehensive Getting Started FAQ(Apologies to the above getting started wiki; I haven't read it yet and do not include you in this rant lol) and then send it with demands to fix sticky to our fearless leaders and get this shit cleaned up once and for all

[Jaws5]

No I do not think we are Harsh, To be a boxer you have to have thick skin Some understand that and want to learn, and some do not want to learn.

[Basilikos]

No, I don't think we're too harsh with people. I did all my reading before I asked any questions and everyone else should do the same.