WoW General forums getting a bit out of hand

[kllrwlf]

... help dismiss any rumors/myths and give people said hands on experience...

Vyndree + skirt perhaps?

Hmm... guess I'm going to Blizzcon now.

Actually, my rig would be perfect. Ghetto boxing FTW. Its also a good example to debunk the "multiboxers have too much money" myth.

Cheap PS/2 keyboard.. cheap USB mice... so what if it gets broken. I'll be out $10. lawl

I actually like that myth that multiboxers have too much money. :thumbsup:

[Vyndree]

Though the idea of "Well shit if a real life Girl said it's okay it must be! She has boobs therefore I must do what she says" is funny lol

That was the intention

[Havelcek]

... help dismiss any rumors/myths and give people said hands on experience...

Vyndree + skirt perhaps?

Official MSFT endorsement of multiboxing?? 8)

[Tehtsuo]

I think having our very own Forum Rep is the best choice. My procedure when I see complaint posts on the forums:

1) Read through the topic from first post to last, have a good laugh
2) If Vyndree has posted, go to 4.
3) Make post in Dual-Boxing.com forums pointing to Blizzard forum complaint post
4) Ignore topic

Nothing I have to say would help/hinder Multiboxing or the views of the people on the Blizzard forums, nobody goes on those things to have their point of view changed. Anything I could type up would be ignored by everyone and could probably be explained more coherently and in-depth by a post from Vyndree.

In other news, a skirt you say?

[Sun]

Let me address some of the premises of the previous posters:

1) The end result is bad publicity. I disagree. People have been doing this in other games for years and even when well known, it never became more than a gimmick. Also, if you read the threads, most people are NOT against it and consider it a fun and interesting variation on what is an aging game.

2) For every multiboxer there will be 10 more haters, and eventually there will enough of them to persaude blizzard to change their stance on the matter in order to calm the masses. I call BS on this. If this were true, they'd have taken Deathcoil, scattershot, snake traps, hamstring, intercept, ice block and mind control out of the game already. Just look at Frost Shock for an example.

3) Security through obscurity; aka "Shhh!" aka just let the threads die. I'm against modifying my behavior because a vocal minority don't like what I do. WoW isn't my life. I can find other things to do with my spare time if something ever did happen that nerfed multiboxing. I'll be damned if I let a bunch of whiny, pre-pubescent, partially-literate, unimaginative e-Thugs harass me into silence. Most of the threads I don't comment on because others have posted rebuttals I agree with already but I'm not gonna just stop posting in fear of a what-if scenario. /shrug

Make a name for yourself on the battleground first. Then....make your post on the WOW forums. I never ever QQ about what may have happened to me in-game. People know who we are on Magtheridon. When I make a general chat comment about "the alliance", I usually get a response, like..."ooo no, The Zerg is getting involved..." Not just Xcola is going to do something BUT...The Zerg is going to do something. So we do make an impact on how others view us. Hopefully, we will keep it a positive one.

[Gallo]

I agree with most people in that we should leave those posts be. I think that the flame wars will only get worse.

I'm currently in Irvine CA for business until the end of the week... should I go find Blizzard and do a Multiboxing QQ protest outside? heh

[opt]

heres my normal response:

listen to this guy what an idiot has he got any clue,
then go into a normal response.
then please save us the trouble and never post your terrible point of view ever again.

[Tonuss]

Considering "normal" players probably outnumber multi-boxers by about 50,000 to 1 I suggest you don't respond to the threads. I doubt you're going to change anyone's mind or do multi-boxers any good. The more people who bitch about multi-boxing, the worse it is for us. "I just saw a 20 page thread about multi-boxing" isn't a good thing for us. It's very easy for Blizzard to change their policy on mutli-boxing if enough people complain.

Keep in mind that relatively few multiboxers take part in any of those topics, and the most insulting and strident posts are almost always from people arguing against multiboxing. They are the ones who use direct personal attacks ("you cheating scumbags" etc) and take shots at Blizzard ("they support it because they're a greedy company" etc). Many people posting in support of multiboxing do not do it themselves, they just disagree with the anti-MB crowd, or they are just tired of seeing the threads.

My belief is this-- Blizzard will never ban multiboxing, period. Some of their own people do it, they come from games where they did it, they really do not see anything wrong with it and have no desire to stop it. They will not use words like "never" because they know that things can change and it's always in their best interests not to make absolute statements on things like that. But the reality is that they will not ban it, because there simply is no reason to at all, aside from catering to a group of customers who are angry and whiny and insulting. Why on earth would you want to cater to a bunch of angry little pissants who will NEVER be happy? Let them wear themselves out.

Whenever I respond in those topics, I remain calm and make my point and avoid the worst of the trolling remarks, including the insults. I ignore anyone who starts with "I don't care what Blizzard says" because they're not there to discuss anything, they just want to rant, and that is fine with me. Angry rants from people who write like idiots won't hurt multiboxing in the least. But by picking apart the more common arguments, people who are on the fence can see the issue for themselves, and they can also see that the anti-MB crowd are generally very nasty and rude. That works in our favor. Letting the arguments go unchallenged could make people believe that the arguments are legit, and increase support against multiboxing.

[OzPhoenix]

I've made my final post on those wretched forums. I am now a lurker only. The sheer volume of stupidity over there can make one despair for the future prospects of the human race at times.

[Gadzooks]

I'll admit, I troll the whiners as hard as they troll everyone else, it's fun - I realized the forums are pointless a long time ago, so it's all cheap entertainment at this point. I don't like being called a cheater though, which generally puts someone in my sights.

But, after reading this thread yesterday, and thinking about it, I'm going to retire from the MN threads, and let Vyndree be the voice of MBing - her and Belfaire are doing just fine shutting down the kiddies. I'll reserve my trolling to the uptight, butthurt raiders who insist on ruining any fun to be had - the ones who use the word "deserve" are my faves. I love getting them frothing at all orifices. What can I say, it's cheap fun.

A few things I've learned about MBing and those who attack it - you can stop reading here, if you want the TLDR version, this is just a little brain dump:

A. they are kids who can't do it because Mommy and Daddy won't buy them more equipment and accounts, or are slackers/losers who's minimum wage McJobs won't support it. They're just jealous and venting nerd rage after having their asses handed to them, or they have a realization after a sugar rush that MBers *get ALL the loot* *gasp* and THAT'S NOT FAIR! They generally burn out after a post or two.

B. The majority of MB haters are PvP/ArenaBois. Raiders don't seem to care one way or another about MBing, and I remember ONE person who was concerned about losing raid slots to a MBer. Now, I spent a LOT of time in my battlegroup getting my full S1 set by fighting every match, and it took a while, so I got very intimate with the PvP scene on my server and battlegroup. We all know what it's like - you either have bullies whining and insulting everyone in chat, or it's nothing but "Let them win, I need my honor/marks", or it's complete silence. There is very, very little teamwork in BGs - and god help you if you slow down the honor/mark grinders even one second. There is no "fun" in PvP, it's a solid, grim, determined grind, and they don't want to hear about trying anything that isn't the stale, worn out strats. This is for Alliance on my BG, and it's why the Horde rolls them ruthlessly.


Throw in a MB team, and you get the forum whiners, and you get why they NEVER address the fact that a little teamwork will utterly destroy an MB team. "Wut? Talk to other players?" Not going to happen, and they know it, but they will never admit it. Take a couple minutes from the race down the map in AV to engage an MB team? Expect other players to stop their sheep run down the map to help another player being one-shotted by a shaman 5-man? Not going to happen. USE the 5-man team to their advantage as raid leader to get a win? That's crazy talk, man, all I know is "everyone run down to Drek".

The complaining and bitterness over MBing is entirely of their own making, their laziness and greed for marks and honor stands in the way of fun and challenge, and the appearance of a MB team just means 5 minutes time "wasted" actually fighting, and god forbid, having fun.

Address them on this angle, and you will shut them down. Address their lack of ability to gather their forces in a BG to take out a team, because *nobody talks to each other*. Address that a 5-man team taking a base in EotS is exactly the same as 5 players capping a base - 5 players taking ANYTHING in there is a major hurdle to defeat. I've seen the Mage Tower completely locked down by *two* players, with the Alliance team I was on incapable of taking it back, because of the same stupid inability to play *together* and *think*.

These guys are'nt going anywhere, and there's plenty of fuel for that fire from them. These are the ones that take the most work to shut down, because you are attacking their ability to feed their ePeen and ego, and honor/mark lust. They NEED those marks, and that honor, because they actually tie their self-esteem to it, and if they don't have the most or best of the best...well, they just can't have THAT.

They also think they are uber, and hate being taken out. Thus, to them, 5 vs 1 is "cheating", because they're so uber, they should be able to take out a 5 man shaman team, if it's controlled by one person, right? The MB community and the Blues won't be able to do anything to put an end to these players, they make up the majority of any server, both factions. My solution is put these guys on your KOS list, if they're on your server.

C. The rest of them are drama queens and chicken littles, who love to claim that MBers are going to be so common that they take over the game. They are idiots, the same ones who post the endless "<new game> is gonna kill wow!" threads. They're just filling the space up with babbling, because they have nothing else to contribute, they love doom and gloom and drama to much to not try and create some. They're the ones who throw in the exaggerated claims and made up effects on the game, or throw around the "they just do it to sell accounts" bs. They eventually find a new thread to be drama queens in, but they draw a lot of comments, because who likes to be accused of the nonsense they say? THAT is the trigger I and all the rest of the MBers need to watch for, and ignore. They know they'll get a rise out of MBers if they claim we're making money from doing it, or using exploits and cheats. (That's always kinda cracked me up, I've seen more Rocket Boot cheats and terrain exploits in BGs than I can type here, yet I've never seen a MBer claim to use anything illegal.)

D. Then there's the crusaders. The ones that think they will find the one angle or word in the EULA that will change everything, and parades will be thrown in their honor, and Blizzard will inscribe their name in the wall of Stormwind. LOL. A recent EPIC crusader is the jerk on the CS forums who's on a crusade to have the afk reporting policy "reviewed" by himself and the legal team and Blizzard, so he won't be forced to sue. Yes, he's THAT pompous, and he's had two threads now to play "look at me". The CMs are being blunt with him, but he's on a roll, he's another "I don't care what the Blues say, *I'm* right", and I have no DOUBT he'll find a way to waste Bliz's legal team's time. A lot of the MB threads are started by this type, and they won't listen to reason or Blizzard, they will crusade the issue forever. They're fun to play with, but it's not going to accomplish anything - them I am swearing off playing with, and I think most of this thread concerns. They're the ones you let Belfaire and the others take care of.

Oh well. Just my thoughts. Worth as much as you paid for them.