Wow forums are blowing up again...this time it's win trading...

[Jaws5]

I was under the impression that blizzard owned all items in wow. So how can someone sell somethng that is wow based and not on the wrong side of the line. Is my logic off base? I'm assuming they paid real money for these points and not gold.

[yarr]

Hm this is an interesting development.

Im glad they are taking action against cheaters, but im one of the "Too Late" camp, I think if they were going to take action on this, they should have started early. If they had stamped it out early, it would have never become as widespread as it is now, and all this "economic exploitation" and what not would never have occurred. Also would have been less "bystanders".

But yeah, all these cheater tears are pretty refreshing. =P

[Sun]

Selling points on teams at the very peak on ratings was also very enticing for most who could do so or just smart enough to buy 2 teams themselves (you didn't even need to earn the rating yourself!). It is close to hitting an in-game lottery every week if there was one. If you had 2x 2200 rated 5v5 you could potentially sell 10 slots on each team every week for easily 1000g or more as the demand was huge.

So after win trading 2 teams for 1kg a slot, you'd net 20,000 gold in about an hours worth of work. Not to get too in depth but if you sold the gold (which some did) at $25 per thousand, your looking at $500 an hour real money. It didn't just stop there, this is a renewable source of income every week. With several players having at least 10 lvl 70's to hold teams and sell points it just got out of hand.
Which is what I believe pushed out the ban hammer.
I saw a link floating around of a guy openly selling about 80,000 gold a week and just unloading it. That's crazy stuffz!If someone

If someone is selling gold, they had better be very careful about who they tell, and they better not be selling it themselves - it only takes one toon who's really a Bliz employee to get yourself sued. That kind of thing is VERY actionable, and we have no idea if they've gone after anyone for this before, or will in the future.

I'm curious what they would do to someone caught transferring gold to a know gold seller account, like one that belongs to IGE. Permaban, most likely, and block that credit card forever. You'd also be at risk of being included in any current or future legal issues with that seller.

Not a smart idea, in the long run. With the amount of data Bliz has on every toon, and my hunch that they are watching the movement of large amounts of gold...the people doing this are just dumb.

I guess you dont remember the website/freeserver Blizz shut down many years ago. I actually had a link on my PC back in the days after the Beta testing. Blizz sued and won and shut down the website and and feds broke down the door of the location and consficated all the equipment on the premises.

DO NOT MESS WITH BLIZZ !!! they do go after you.

[yarr]

I saw someone on one of the threads in CS say that they are rolling out the S4 points-gain changes (i.e. to prevent points selling, the whole Personal rating requirement within 150 of team rating in order to get points) this tuesday. Can anyone confirm or deny this? It would make sense that they are doing it now, right after cracking down on team-sellers.

Wonder if there are any blue posts on the topic.

[Tdog]

Sigh... We really getting into this whole team-selling right or wrong arguement again? What's this make? 4th thread since I joined only a couple of months ago? :huh:

[yarr]

A marriage should be between a man and a ...

A woman shouldn't be able to abort her...

Oh wait. Team-selling. Right...

Just one of those moral questions that no one will ever agree on.

[Zaelar]

People shouldn't power level. You should have to kill mobs yourself. Anyone who had a 70 power level you should be set back to level 1 and lose all their items and gold, even if it was just to help with one instance or quest. Perma-ban for the leveler if the 70 ever cheated. They ban people who buy characters and this is clearly the same thing.

Ban all auction house users. You should have to kill mobs yourself to get loot. I don't care what blizzard says, buying items is cheating. This is clearly the same as buying gold.

Someone get that multibox qq checklist and rename it for arenas. See how many you can find in this thread.

And this has nothing to do with morals. It has to do with what is cheating and what isn't cheating. Buying an arena team or a spot on an arena team was confirmed to be not cheating and should be treated as such.

[Moxy]

People shouldn't power level. You should have to kill mobs yourself. Anyone who had a 70 power level you should be set back to level 1 and lose all their items and gold, even if it was just to help with one instance or quest. Perma-ban for the leveler if the 70 ever cheated. They ban people who buy characters and this is clearly the same thing.

Ban all auction house users. You should have to kill mobs yourself to get loot. I don't care what blizzard says, buying items is cheating. This is clearly the same as buying gold.

Someone get that multibox qq checklist and rename it for arenas. See how many you can find in this thread.

And this has nothing to do with morals. It has to do with what is cheating and what isn't cheating. Buying an arena team or a spot on an arena team was confirmed to be not cheating and should be treated as such.

So what was your point? I lost it in your epic exaggeration. I'm hoping it was 'cheaters deserve teh ban.'

[Eteocles]

That quote is just trying to turn "Playing with friends" into "Zomg skip content"; if it's a NEW player being skipped, then yes it's bad and they should experience it first. If it's someone like us who've been playing since launch, fuck doing the westfall series for the 56th time In cases like that, I know my class, I know the game.

The problem with Arenas is the gear. The gear was designed with the original intent to fortify those who've proven themselves at least competant or downright "good", who DO well enough to afford it. Half the people who had it didn't DO anything. In the Raid spot buying example, there's still a difference between going and knowing what to do/how to help and actually contributing, and just going and kinda watching like a dumbass then looting and bragging later.

The Arenas should simply be for bragging rights and seeing who's the best, that's the whole point of the silly duels, but everyone's turned it into "HAY FREE GEAR LETS GO"; they should rename it if it's not going to be what Arenas are supposed to be; fights to death to see the victor, to whom go the spoils, not "Every civilian/non-Gladiator retard and his brother jumps around the ranks and gets special gladiator gear from the Emperor himself"

TL;DR: The idea of Arenas wasn't a bad one; the problem is noone else ingame gives 2 shits and just wants more purplez so their e-peen is the same size as everyone else's.

And the key flaw in that argument regarding it not being cheating, while true, Blizzard said they don't/won't specifically support it, and their actions(the banninations and adding requirements to the gear to keep scrubs who don't deserve it out of it) paint not-quite-opposite, but still not particularly "HAY GUYZ ITS AWWWWWWRIGHT" pictures

[Buzzatronic]

Different opinions are different, so I'll end with this.

If there was nothing wrong in Blizzard's eyes with points/team selling, then they wouldn't be making so many changes to make it much more difficult in today's patch.

We can argue all day about the semantics of what's a ban-able offense and what is not, but the fact remains that Blizzard is making changes to make it much more difficult or next to impossible to effectively buy arena points or teams.

In my opinion, that means they want to actively discourage the practice and since they made the game and the rules, I'll also assume that means they feel is it not a legitimate way to progress through PvP content (just as when they make changes to instances that previously allowed people to bypass PvE content in certain ways. It wasn't ban-able, but it was fixed because it also wasn't legitimate progression.)