Wow forums are blowing up again...this time it's win trading...

[Kaynin]

I have arena'd, in all 3 settings...it's no fun having your face stomped in mercilessly by full S3 team/pointsellers at the BEGINNER ranks.

Exactly.

[Vyndree]

haman',index.php?page=Thread&postID=62827#post6282 7]Is arena point SELLING and BUYING legal? If you think about it, you join a team, you loose every game and so get kicked after 5-10 games and they make you pay them 500g because you lowered their rating:P

Via http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...geNo=1&sid=1#3

While the two actions can indeed appear to coalesce, they are wholly different in one key point:

Selling points usually involves legitimately playing in the arena with a member of the team that joined through paying a team an 'entry fee'. It does not involve exploitation of the arena system by playing the same team over and over again — among other things — and purposely allowing someone to win against you, or using another team to boost your team's rating.

Can selling points lead to win-trading? Sure. Those that participate in win trading will be actioned accordingly.

Selling points is currently not against our policies, but please note that they are always subject to change.

Emphasis mine.



Keep in mind that the new patch will likely make point selling moot -- since, if your personal rating doesn't closely match the team's rating -- you'll only get points according to your personal rating.

[Fragmad]

I'm scared :E

I have actually bought points for my lock one week, from a team I know wintrades.

Even if I were totally unaffected, I have to say permanent ban is quite harsh. Personally I have nothing against wintraders, I don't care. But taking their gear/points/gold they've earned selling spots would be enough.

It is really nice however that arena will get more balanced from now on, on my bg 1500-1600 ppl will meat full venge teams all the time.

[Fragmad]

Doing it right at the end of the season does up the lol-factor considerably

It's awesome, the "good" players will fall behind in beginning of S4, which they deserve.

[MrLonghair]

All the level 70 alliance in my battlegroup have S1 or better for pvp gear, and gear in general, many of them who have S3 don't even know how to mouse-turn. They don't even know how to win the 2.4 version of Alterac Valley. Their priests use fade in pvp, their warriors taunt, their hunters feign with their big red winterspring cats out. I'm happy to see this done but it is too late.

If you did not get into the arena in March-April of last year when it started you lost out. I'd rather have the old HWL grind, but with IP restriction on accounts so people could not get honorgrinders or afkbotting services for it. I'm happy, but it is a bit too late for me.

[kllrwlf]

LOL... I'm just looking for naked 70s in Shatt. :thumbsup:

[Xar]

I'm shocked that they finally took action on this. For me, arenas have been totally UN-FUN. On my priest, instagibbed by the other team and play in the arena had no bearing on my favorite spec, holy. I wasn't about to respec every week into a spec I don't like and was not familiar with. I always had fun playing BG's as holy though. On my lock the differential in resilience when I started arena (at the end of S2) was enough to make it unfun and when S3 hit it was even worse, even going into BG's started to suck hard until I finally got some nice pieces. I always wondered how it would be fair for all the cheaters to have the best gear and the rest of don't so I'm glad they are attempting to fix it even though some people will be caught up in it that shouldn't be. After a while I just stopped arena'ing altogether, I might even give arenas a try again on my lock after this wave of bans.

[kllrwlf]

The ban-hammer always seems to hit close to the end of the season.

For those that got their gear first, and then started win-trading to earn gold... got stripped of gear, points, temp or perma-banned
For those that got their gear from win-trading... got stripped of gear, points, temp or perma-banned.
For those that bought points from win-trading peeps, got stripped of gear, points, temp or perma-banned.

Remember at the close to the end of S1, the top 5% (or whatever it was), was going to get flown somewhere by Blizz. After Blizz started looking at the account names and started banning those that bought those accounts (account sharing).

Personally, I just feel slightly bad for the point-buyers, as point-buying isn't against the TOS... but got the hammer based on association.

Almost reminds me of the mass ban-hammer that occurred with gold-buyers a couple of years ago.

Either way, it goes to show that it's generally a better idea to go the clean route and go slow, compared to the fast (and slightly fishy) route and face a possible ban.

[Tonuss]

I suspect that a fresh wave of AFKer bans is going to follow soon, and that should lead to another round of entertaining threads in the forums.

[Buzzatronic]

Personally, I just feel slightly bad for the point-buyers, as point-buying isn't against the TOS... but got the hammer based on association.

I don't feel bad for them in the slightest. They wanted a shortcut to gaining gear/points rather than doing it legitimately and shortcuts always have risk.

It's not hard to figure out that by buying points/teams, you're only encouraging the sellers to get more "product" as quick as possible. Just like buying gold makes the gold sellers want to hack accounts and exploit the game to get the most amount of product with the least amount of effort.

Buying points/teams is exploiting the arena system and most certainly not within the spirit of fair competition ... why would anyone expect that those who partake in offering such services would abide by all the other rules of the game like not win-trading?