Think I'm Done

[Eteocles]

I'm gonna have to agree with the "Everyone's seeing illidan is bullshit" bit...I'm in a guild who FARMS him and I'm not allowed anywhere near him because I don't have the gear to handle it. Most BT fights require a minimum of gear and dps totals and some Hyjal fights are particularly dependant on SMART players paying attention and any guild who's been stuck on SSC/TK too long is not attentive enough overall to do so, period. DA wasn't and I will openly say that because it's the truth;(Most, not all, simply didn't pay attention to the fight around them, just warnings that were often broken instead of thinking on their own) DC is attentive, noone needs to sit around explaining shit for 20mins or doing 5-6 ready checks or random afks, shit goes in, shit goes down, shit gets looted and we're done with 5 bosses in 2hours. And despite their t6+ gear + attentiveness and skill, some of the fights are close shaves.

I personally haven't seen Illidan, nor will I unless they decide to go back and get me a t5 set for the 4piece bonus to make my dps competitive :p Just becuase attunements are gone doesn't mean player stupidity is gone too. Just cuz you can start ssc/tk(Loot Reaver is called that for a reason) doesn't mean you can handle jack shit in the new instances you're allowed into :p

[Gallo]

I call Bullshit on "everyone getting to Illidan" as well... but it IS true that tons of guilds jump right into BT. I think that most of them get slaughtered... but yeah, its "accessible" .

[Los]

Entering bt is heavilly <> for seeing illidan (unless you have seen him in a movie or as a background)!

And its sad to see people not killing kael and getting in to BT, allthough i guess its fine they can, dont see no harm in it, they hit the point of 'cant kill next boss' soon anyways.

[Mosg2]

Go look at the guild recruitment posts on your server forums and/or ads in general. At least on my server now there are three times as many guilds that have downed Illidan--That's not an insignificant amount.

It was laziness and not skill that was keeping people off of BT gear. It's not that hard to learn a scripted, 2-15 minute event.

[Eteocles]

That's raiding in a nutshell really Mos...though most people do call it "lolscripted events" there ARE variables that can fuck it up, and that variable is the players :p I've seen palas accidentally bop/DI the tank when they meant to hit loh, I've seen a near-wipe on Vael at 1% and a Paladin bop'd himself and loh'd himself and HE WON, finishing Vael off just barely in time...so yeah, imo, that "scripted" bull can go fuck itself, there's plenty of variety ;)

Only new recruiter is Genesis on Mag and that's because Nerd Craft transferred over and put them to shame. DA's core/good raiders merged into DC and attend higher raids when allowed but again, some fights simply require geared people, and DA was progressing(keyword there, we WERE making progress on bosses and had gotten Hydross just about down to a farm encounter) through SSC when we joined up to DC; again any guild that was already at BT won't let anyone undergeared come; any guild that wasn't in BT jumps in and gets their ass handed to them because they didn't learn to cooperate on their way up :p

[Tonuss]

re: ratings requirements on S3/S4 gear... you will be able to get a full set of S2 gear without any ratings at all, and it's not all that bad compared to S3/4, considering that the requirements for getting it are so relaxed (lower honor costs, no need to grind if you don't want, etc).

As someone pointed out, pre-BC and the PvP changes, you were at a pretty big disadvantage versus both insanely dedicated PvPers and anyone who raided past Molten Core if you were a casual player. You'd be lucky to get two or three blue PvP pieces and pre-raiding blues didn't compare to epic items from MC and up. S2 and its equivalents are much better for PvP than most PvE items, and give you a chance versus S3/4-geared players.

The reason it gets boring is that the way to get that gear is to run the same battlegrounds we've been running for months or years. New maps would go a long way to helping alleviate that boredom to some degree.

[Gallo]

The reason it gets boring is that the way to get that gear is to run the same battlegrounds we've been running for months or years. New maps would go a long way to helping alleviate that boredom to some degree.

Meh, I disagree here. NEw maps would be great, but it all boils down to gear. Everyone in this game is out to get the better gear. Once you have people sitting at the top of the gear plateau for a long period of time, then they get bored... regardless of the maps. WoLTK will come by and everyone will go questing for.... NEW GEAR!