Arena Training Video (unfinished)

[heyaz]

Great video, thanks for putting it up. Good narration skills as well, that goes a really long way. I was expecting it to be like every other video where the narrator explains things like: "ok basically it's like um well basically, so what you basically do is basically like um so drop your totems then basically like..."

[Tidomann]

Great videos Can't wait to try it myself.

[Thomas]

Nice video thanks

[Meathead]

Thanks for the Tips!

[FunkStar]

Downloading now.

I'm hoping to learn something to use against LoS because frankly.. That is the only thing killing me.

I've won games against full brutal players (including shoulders and weapons.. gash warriors hurt? :/), rogue with dual warglaives along with it, etc, the whole deal, but then I loose 30-60 minute matches against lowered geared teams that LoS the shit out of me. Most of the times theres some hunter involved that keeps outranging me, multi-shotting, killing totems 1 by 1, without me being able to reach him. I've won the first game against some team like that today.

Hunter, mage, priest, paladin, ele shammy if i remember right. Won the first, lost the next 6, and each one of those was at least 20 minutes, 1 was over an hour. What to do against LoS? They simply don't charge.. EVER?!?

update: seen it now, unforunately again a 'chargeteam where the warrior was easy to pick off as he just charged in, and the hunter just stood there like a tard, instead of los'ing every shot behind the pillar.

extra note: with LoS abuse I don't mean the healers standing a bit further so i can't reach them and they can just fully heal, etc, I wouldn't even care. Today I had 2 teams that got me CASTING on them for 30 minutes straight, maybe getting 10 lightning bolts off in total. Hunter pops behind a pullar, does multi+arcane, goes behind pillar again (cant get a cast off in that time), then mage pops behind another pillar, ice lances some totems, sheeps a target, ele shammy pops up on tomb, hunter on the right again, both pop 1 spell and get back up.

Fair enough, you might say, this can't be killing me, indeed, it can't, but I'm not killing them either. The longest I've waited against one of these teams was an hour, and they still did not move an inch. Their hunter was having some fun with his pet in-eyes jumping around me, me killing it, he resses it, hence repeat...

lost 3-7 today, stopped after 10 games because of pure frustration, I just can't take it anymore :|

[merujo]

FunkStar, im already getting that at 1550. they wont move until i do.
What i do is, get NS and EM ready, jump in action, and nuke the shit out of them, kill one and go all the way back. u must kill one of them, and then retreat. show them whos the boss :P, wait 3 minutes, get the bomb ready, and kill another one.

last time i did that was in BEM, middle bridge. they had 2 mages, one of them in brutal gear, and they were abusing pillar LOS. I abused my CD's :P every 3 minutes i will kill someone, and their starting to learn it

[FunkStar]

That's the problem, I can't even do my EM/NS/CL + Shocks because as soon as I get in shock range they are already LoS'ing me and hiding, untill i move back.

edit: reason i move back is, they keep doing 'annoying' stuff, like icelancing, fireblasting, or even some aoe to retreat 1 second later, GCD is too long to get both my insta chain + Shocks off. And even if I would get those off, theyre often not enough when ur opponent has full vengeful and some brutal, with hots and maybe a shield/earth shield applied just before i'd nuke

[Ellay]

Get in a position that forces them to be at least 5-10 yard away from their LoS object, make sure your in ghost wolf form as it is non aggressive compared to being mounted and gives you that extra oomph of 40% run speed.

[FunkStar]

I'm not sure what you mean with that, or rather, not sure how to achieve that. I'd have to show fraps footage to show what I mean, but I don't have any, so I'll explain as best as I can.

For example on the Blade's Edge arena I stand on the bridge (prety much like you do in your video), but the teams I met today either stood at their side, at the poles, and as soon as i came close enough, to walk 'around' their pillars to be in los from themp, they jumped down the bridge and used the pillars there, which are prety much exactly like the pillars in Nagrand arena, big and fat. Results in 2 things:

- you can't just 'chase' them about and use ur EM/NS/CL + shock because most likely only your main will get in range, as your alts are on follow and will be a couple of feet behind you
- they got their whole team 'annoying' you with frost nova, possible rogue poisons, hamstrings, to slow u down, which makes u have to stop to stay together, or u move on, but loose an alt or 2 that is slowed, which also results in not enough burst to use anything.
I didn't know what to do at that point, so I grouped up nicely at that pillar, just put all my totems again, but then they did the exact same thing... 'annoy' me with los, a rank 1 frostbolt or an icelance, a multi-shot, an arcane shot, and going back behind their part of the pillar before being able to get anything off. Results in either choking it up and let them annoy you, which isnt really a problem, my healer can keep up with it, but they are slowly draining my healers mana that way while they are not taking any damage whatsoever.

2nd option is to run somewhere else, but once again, they don't charge, and I can just keep waiting forever for them to come.


I can blame myself for not being patient, but after losing a 60 minute game, I rather loose than sit there another 60 minutes, that's just unbearable.

[Mokoi]

I'm not sure what you mean with that, or rather, not sure how to achieve that. I'd have to show fraps footage to show what I mean, but I don't have any, so I'll explain as best as I can.

For example on the Blade's Edge arena I stand on the bridge (prety much like you do in your video), but the teams I met today either stood at their side, at the poles, and as soon as i came close enough, to walk 'around' their pillars to be in los from themp, they jumped down the bridge and used the pillars there, which are prety much exactly like the pillars in Nagrand arena, big and fat. Results in 2 things:

- you can't just 'chase' them about and use ur EM/NS/CL + shock because most likely only your main will get in range, as your alts are on follow and will be a couple of feet behind you
- they got their whole team 'annoying' you with frost nova, possible rogue poisons, hamstrings, to slow u down, which makes u have to stop to stay together, or u move on, but loose an alt or 2 that is slowed, which also results in not enough burst to use anything.
I didn't know what to do at that point, so I grouped up nicely at that pillar, just put all my totems again, but then they did the exact same thing... 'annoy' me with los, a rank 1 frostbolt or an icelance, a multi-shot, an arcane shot, and going back behind their part of the pillar before being able to get anything off. Results in either choking it up and let them annoy you, which isnt really a problem, my healer can keep up with it, but they are slowly draining my healers mana that way while they are not taking any damage whatsoever.

2nd option is to run somewhere else, but once again, they don't charge, and I can just keep waiting forever for them to come.


I can blame myself for not being patient, but after losing a 60 minute game, I rather loose than sit there another 60 minutes, that's just unbearable.

these people make me wanna /wrists.

I have won a couple of these by pre-heroisming and waiting until a war or someone gets close, then frostshocking on my main and then LB > I WIN > Earth Shock you "should" be in range with your wolf form to frost then do all that and get him down. then just plant yourself on that corpse and wait till you can repeat, and keep water shield up so you always have enough mana. dont let your healer heal you, heal yourself since you have an unlimited supply of mana if they are only poking you once in a while.

its annoying, and I want to /strangle all these moronic boring uninteresting teams who cant do anything against us and so decide to just wait. thats the game =/

-Dan