Heroic dunegons and 5m setup

[Mbnewbtbc]

Just wanted to share my experience and thoughts in tbc private servers and tbc beta.
Leveling
TBC beta: I tested warlock 58 boost(demo build) and BM hunter to compare dps uptime, doing quest and killing mobs.
Warlock 58: Felguard does cleave etc- but quite soon u will se the pet starting to die (if) fighting two mobs- ur alternative to keep him alive, is either blood funnel or instant summon him again(then the mobs will come for u , since the agro is reset)
Was very disappointed compare to the hunter.

Bloodfunnel: u loose all ur dps healing the pet, making the fight even harder- since u go low on life and ur dps stops- very frustrating as this will increase ur level time- unless u want to go around with low life- u need to eat/drink.

its a slow stdy leveling, with potensial downtime as stated above.

Hunter 58:
Well what can I say, they are overpowered at this leveling stuff, and if things go sideways - u can always run away and feign death and live another day-
They have cc(trap) that doesn't include the target getting feared into 100mobs!( u never thought the fear would go into xD ).And hunters can trap in combat now tbc. Easy rotation, only need 1 macro to do top dps after 62.

Mend pet: Updated from classic, to be an instant spell- that continuously heals the pet( if its improved through talents - it will also cleanse the pet.)
U continue doing dps, while the pet is healed. If played right, u will have ZERO downtime- the dps is very high- and at 62 u get steadyshot that doubles the dps.

(On Private servers 4xhunters + shaman questing and leveling- everything instant dies and u just have only 1 macro to deal with in the dps rotation.)




PVE Dungeon leveling and Heroics TBC:MY thoughts.

1x paladin +3 warlocks+ shaman.:

My concern after the recent nerfs to software/hardware boxing, is the dps rotation and switching to always needing to lifetap as well.
Its the mouse over windows - that needs to be as easy as it can be. One singel macro for dps is preferred.
Having the group wander into a bunch of mobs- while paladin is tanking- using hellfire/rain of fire- or SOC- I can understand seems nice=).
But that doesn't kill singel bosses with ease either- need to test this- but hunters doesnt have mana issue like warlocks tho- and healing with ur shaman - he should be focusing keeping the tank alive- to ease the stress on everything, not being a mana battery to a certen class.


1xpaladin +3hunters +shaman:

One thing to remember , Hunters have misdirect(that focus the starting threat to the main tank ) and u have 3 of them - so threat issues ?dont think so.
Hunter talent Ferocious Inspiration stacks?,(so they say), so with 3 hunters, this will mean 9% increased damage to the party , ,the paladin tank will have good benefit from this. Feign death for removing threat as well.- still 3% if it does not stack- its better then nothing=)
Since the hunter in tbc comes with a Pet in all specs( u prob will play BM anyway) they have 3 more tanks to help out when things go sideways- choose diff pets with diff debuffs to the target as well, like melee AP debuff - they also have dots- thunderstomp aoe dmg and threath- fire breath aoe dmg. Pick and choose.
Hunters can help heal pets with one clickandforget spell.

And ofc the main aspect- simpel easy high damage output with one singel macro.

My setup will be.-
Addons that is a must have:
Ema
GSE
clique

shaman with clique mouse over+ a chain heal macro-

Paladin with a (wowlazy GSE macro) he will also have an interact with target macro in another macro with gse macro.
Hunters with a (wowlazy gse macro , building shift ctrl modifiers, normal rotation- then shift pop cds etc. all in one)


The main thing that does this so easy with focus mouse over windows, is my Razor keyboard- that spams this gse macro for me- so I only hover my mouse over and that screen spams the dps macro---- so then its just to move the mouse around fast- and pewpew.

*My shaman then has no keybindings in that action bar slot- but focus on clique addon for heals-

made a quick video right now,
this is without addons- its from the private sever tbc5man server- thew dungeons is scaled up to 70 normal- I didnt have time to equip everything in every slot, so the hunters are half geared with very bad green starter gear.(worse then the epic 60 gears, alot worse)

But is to show the basic- i made some quick assist macroes-
Quick note, it was very laggy this server for me, playing 5 accounts so the response on the macroes isnt as good as it should be, classic tbc wont have this issue.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=wSlTDpQmd_A&feature=share

what are those add ons and where can you get them?
Are you saying you will be able to get the prot pally to click to move to the pack to tank then?

[Nindenumene]

what are those add ons and where can you get them?
Are you saying you will be able to get the prot pally to click to move to the pack to tank then?

Addons will be released when tbc launches (maybe prepatch)- they are in classic now.
Ema-will streamline many aspect of the game for multiboxers- autofollow after combat for example on all chars---, when you interact with a target - feks have the flightmaster path open, u can then select one flightpath and the rest will autosellect this flightpath.

Auto invite the team with a keybind, so u can create teams and master of that team- that will help u switch around without making many diff macroes for diff teams.

Put quest items and items that u select in its on bar- this is handy , feks if u want to farm , lets say mote of earth--- then u know how many of that item u have total and how many on each char when grinding--- many many amazing things.

The prot paladin is very easy to handle this way with interact with targert---- u make a GSE macro- with a clicktomovestep in that macro- to make it stop running around in circles when the paladin arrives and u spam the key for the dps.
Current way I do it - is to make a keybind macro for interact with target in wow+ click to move(mouse option) enabled.

Then I make a keyboard macro- that uses the macro for dps + the keybind for interact with target. lets say *

so i tell the keyboard to push 2 and * now the melee will move to the target - start dpsing and stop at the target because of the step macro inside gse

[ebony]

No ema for tbc.

Am thinking 4 shams using 4 keypads over 4 pcs but even using s software kvm is so diese with the steamling or though you can take them just for having 2 screens.

The thing is am not going to hide I don't care that much for reports a single report or a few is not going to get you banned. I'd your not being a dick to other players I don't see you getting banned from reports as well many players have chars of follow that is not the problem I don't feel and of they look at reports and see you all over the map talking and doing quests or whatever it's unliky you look like a bot your. You nerver hit the keypads at the same time every time so it be very all over the place it will not look automated to spammy in any kinda way.


This is how I leveled in SL with 3 chars.

From beta I already know with gear I can push dungons/HC or though no joke HC are not easy at all!

[Mbnewbtbc]

Addons will be released when tbc launches (maybe prepatch)- they are in classic now.
Ema-will streamline many aspect of the game for multiboxers- autofollow after combat for example on all chars---, when you interact with a target - feks have the flightmaster path open, u can then select one flightpath and the rest will autosellect this flightpath.

Auto invite the team with a keybind, so u can create teams and master of that team- that will help u switch around without making many diff macroes for diff teams.

Put quest items and items that u select in its on bar- this is handy , feks if u want to farm , lets say mote of earth--- then u know how many of that item u have total and how many on each char when grinding--- many many amazing things.

The prot paladin is very easy to handle this way with interact with targert---- u make a GSE macro- with a clicktomovestep in that macro- to make it stop running around in circles when the paladin arrives and u spam the key for the dps.
Current way I do it - is to make a keybind macro for interact with target in wow+ click to move(mouse option) enabled.

Then I make a keyboard macro- that uses the macro for dps + the keybind for interact with target. lets say *

so i tell the keyboard to push 2 and * now the melee will move to the target - start dpsing and stop at the target because of the step macro inside gse

I have a melee I’m classic and he does do the circle thing, can you show me a sample macro that can stop that? Or if the command actually, /clicktomovestep?

[Nindenumene]

I have a melee I’m classic and he does do the circle thing, can you show me a sample macro that can stop that? Or if the command actually, /clicktomovestep?

here is a small video for u

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf9NYxtD6rI

to get an idea

[Mbnewbtbc]

here is a small video for u

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf9NYxtD6rI

to get an idea

So you have to get that mouse control up and the add that line into your macro, if I have a regular macro say

/startattack
/click movepadbackward

and I have click to move on, will this have my melee run at the target? Or do I have to have a interact with target key and then his the macro? Is there a way to macro interact with target into the macro?

[Baltyre]

Really interesting post, i didn't consider the Pal + 3 hunter + Healer option before.
Is the Druid a viable option as a dungeon healer for this team ?
It's because, on the open world, i will probably main a Hunter+Druid.

If yes, witch spec ? Is a dreamstate druid doable for extra dps ?

The other issue is that i initialy thought of getting a mage in my team, use the $$ boost to lvl 58 and use it to boost my other team-mate all the way to 60.
I will not able to do that now, so what is the fastest way to level this team ? Use the boost on the paladin ? But i guess it need specific gear like ( https://discord.com/channels/2629764...21684705378314 , https://discord.com/channels/2629764...22200914755615 , https://discord.com/channels/2629764...22200914755615 ) to do boosting.

Still, even without massive AOE boosting, with regular dungeon grinding, will i be quicker to gain level thought dungeon with a lvl 58 boosted pal as main than a regular non-pay-boosted team ? Or the xp malus will get in the way ?

Bonus questions :
- I read that pet take 50% less damage on AOE, does that open some strategy on some boss to let the 3 pets tank ?
- Does Ferocious inspiration stacks ? ( When your pet scores a critical hit, all party members have all damage increased by 3% for 10sec. )

[nodoze]

Really interesting post, i didn't consider the Pal + 3 hunter + Healer option before.
Is the Druid a viable option as a dungeon healer for this team ?
...
The other issue is that i initialy thought of getting a mage in my team, use the $$ boost to lvl 58 and use it to boost my other team-mate all the way to 60.
I will not able to do that now, so what is the fastest way to level this team ? Use the boost on the paladin ? But i guess it need specific gear like (...) to do boosting.

Still, even without massive AOE boosting, with regular dungeon grinding, will i be quicker to gain level thought dungeon with a lvl 58 boosted pal as main than a regular non-pay-boosted team ? Or the xp malus will get in the way ?

Bonus questions :
- I read that pet take 50% less damage on AOE, does that open some strategy on some boss to let the 3 pets tank ?
- Does Ferocious inspiration stacks ? ( When your pet scores a critical hit, all party members have all damage increased by 3% for 10sec. )

If you go Druid Healer you really will want a Paladin Tank as Druids only have a single combat rez.

If you get down the Mage/Paladin boost techniques they can be pretty fast. Personally I boosted a 3 Warlock+ Priest team to about 37 where I had a 38 Paladin waiting and then I took turns testing my team with a 60 and a 38 (same level) and due to the XP penalties I found it better for me to just do all the same level team. If you are really good at boosting maybe you would have a different opinion/perspective.

My understanding is that Ferocious Inspiration does stack but that is only from memory.

[Baltyre]

Just wanted to share my experience and thoughts in tbc private servers and tbc beta.One thing to remember , Hunters have misdirect(that focus the starting threat to the main tank ) and u have 3 of them - so threat issues ?dont think so.

I want to add one thing :
From https://wowwiki-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Misdirection

• Works great on AoE pulls to be used with [Explosive Trap], solidly anchoring the trap aggro onto the main tank.

[Kraxx]

So what do you guys think is the overall best group setup for heroic dungeons? (if you don't restrict it to multiboxing)
Is it Pala Tank, 2 Locks, 1 Mage and a Sham-Heal?

I watched the old movies where someone cleared some heroics with 1 Pala Tank + 4 Ele.
I wonder if it is possible to clear every heroic dungeon with a Pala + 4 Sham team?!


I have noticed that mostly only the boss fights are shown in the movies. What is about the trash in heroics? Can 1 Pala + 4 Ele handle the hard trash-packs without CC? Or is this only doable with raid gear?