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  1. #31

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    So these kvm switches are also sending the keyboard input to all outputs. So how is this not "broadcasting"?

  2. #32

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    Quote Originally Posted by briarknit View Post
    So these kvm switches are also sending the keyboard input to all outputs. So how is this not "broadcasting"?
    No one said this was not broadcasting... This is hardware based broadcasting.

    If you are referring to the Policy Update by Blizzard, it was a "Policy Update for Input Broadcasting Software".

    A hardware synchronous KM switch isn't Broadcasting Software...

    EDIT: The initial post at the top of the thread has been updated with everything up to this post. Thanks for submissions thus far and please post to the end of this thread any corrections or new submissions (or if I missed something above). Please link to original sources if from other threads/sites and I will try to include the links in the summary.
    Last edited by nodoze : 12-22-2020 at 05:05 PM

  3. #33

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    8 port ShuOne.

    Razer Huntsman Elite - Works Good - On board profiles work. I was able to macro Broadcast On to Caps lock with no issues at all. I have been trying to macro Alt 1-4 to different keys. Have not been able to make that work. Which is odd because it should be as straightforward as the broadcast on macro... Anyone have any thoughts?

    Corsair Scimitar - Works OK - the 'onboard profile' does not work with a passthrough. I found a Mod post in the corsair forums that confirms this.

    I am testing out a 4 box Aster setup. One KB / 2 Mice. Its smoother than I expected after I limited my frames to my slaves.

    Ill be grabbing a Quad Multiplex to go with a full 5 man team, as I have no desire to add a 5th monitor to my current setup(mostly for work)

    If I can find a solid mmo mouse that can passthrough remaps/macros, and I can figure out how to rebind/macro the ShuOne's alt 1-4 ill be quite satisfied.

  4. #34

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    Have you figured out a way to store more complex macros (macros that utilize "while holding" and "on release") on the G502?

    My approach was to e.g. have my dps spread out while using the mousewheel-tilt-left button. works when being controlled via GHUB, doesnt work when saved in the onboard memory.

    What DOES work though, is having all keypresses in the "on press" section. so e.g. having a cast macro that first enables broadcasting and then presses the key and switches back to the main char works. (*0 [cast key] *0 *5).

    For movement, the key needs to stay pressed - so e.g. *0 [move key][move key][move key][move key][move key][move key]... *0 *5 -This macro is not working when in onboard mode.

    Does anybody have a recommendation for a mouse where this is actually possible?

    Other than that, G502 and Logitec G910 working fine with the Aimos8. Switching to a Coolermaster SK650 though due to the G910 having no onboard memory.

  5. #35

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    just got EXPERTKEYS full programmable keyboard 58 keys





    specifically same model in pic:


    https://storefront.expertkeys.com/st...587547904.html


    in my country it is available on Amazon. bought with amazon.


    there are 3 models: 20, 58 and 128 keys.


    it s a bit expensive. 58 keys model price is 150 euro, a german **panzer** hardware hehe.


    the lookup is a bit oldish style.


    it comes with proprietary software to programming keys, all saved in on-board memory.

    software is on dvd and downloadable from expertkeys website , in case like me not have a dvd/cd drive

    it has 2 layers, so basically it has 2 profiles. doubling how many programmed keys can be stored on it.


    personally i ve decided to buy this keyboard after read some people use it on work to update/program various typo of hardware terminals.
    with many good reviews.


    ofc programming requires direct connection to pc without passing from km sync.




    AIMOS 8P and probably 99% 4P, excuse me im a bit lazy here to test both ...xD


    at start, just tested some custom basic keybindings and all working GOOD with aimos 8p.


    after that tested combo keybinds, like ctrl+d for example, it worked as expected.


    finally checked if it can send combo keys to aimos models, i have both 4p and 8p, like *+1,*+0 etc etc.
    again, worked perfectly. to simulate keypress status use <*><1><->. final tag used to simulate stopped keypress.
    explained in manual in english anyway, inside software package.
    GOOD test!


    i m going to use it connected with aimos 4p to send keys to followers.




    shuone 8p

    tested with kb port
    normal programmed keys worked perfectly. exactly like with aimos. not needed changes.


    to control shuone tested some scrlLock combos. at start not worked. after first attempt i just added 100ms delay to each key, in this way:
    srlLck+100+scrlLck+100+0,1,2 etc and these combo worked perfectly!
    GOOD



    looks like this programmable kb can work good with both most common/used km syncs.


    note:
    add here too some more infos about binding movements keys, following reply from private question on discord.

    this keyboard, like many others of same type, in general have great issues simulating holding-keys press.

    in few words,witrh this hardware -> binding ingame movements keys <- is not a possible option.
    it would be possible using in combo with some software like HKN.
    but with well known policy changes, not advisable and really risky.
    Last edited by Prega : 01-08-2021 at 09:37 AM

  6. #36

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeaunome View Post
    8 port ShuOne.

    Razer Huntsman Elite - Works Good - On board profiles work. I was able to macro Broadcast On to Caps lock with no issues at all. I have been trying to macro Alt 1-4 to different keys. Have not been able to make that work. Which is odd because it should be as straightforward as the broadcast on macro... Anyone have any thoughts?

    Corsair Scimitar - Works OK - the 'onboard profile' does not work with a passthrough. I found a Mod post in the corsair forums that confirms this.

    I am testing out a 4 box Aster setup. One KB / 2 Mice. Its smoother than I expected after I limited my frames to my slaves.

    Ill be grabbing a Quad Multiplex to go with a full 5 man team, as I have no desire to add a 5th monitor to my current setup(mostly for work)

    If I can find a solid mmo mouse that can passthrough remaps/macros, and I can figure out how to rebind/macro the ShuOne's alt 1-4 ill be quite satisfied.
    Glad to hear another Aster implementation having good results so far as it has so much less overhead than full VMs.

    Overall the ShuOne 8 seems to be the most readily available but also the least compatible with devices...

    The mouse reported to work with the ShuOne 8 is the Razer Naga Trinity which should go well with your Razer Huntsman keyboard. Some specfic notes from the testers were/are here:

    https://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/...l=1#post433594

    Some conflicting results here:

    https://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/...l=1#post433482

    Further clarification here:

    https://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/...l=1#post433696

    Though this is with an Amios4 the following is how to best have a chance to get it to work:

    https://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/58028-Input-Device-compatibility-testing-with-KVM-amp-KM-switches?p=433695&viewfull=1#post433695

    If you try one please report back your results including any nuances.

  7. #37

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prega View Post
    just got EXPERTKEYS full programmable keyboard 58 keys
    ...
    there are 3 models: 20, 58 and 128 keys.
    ...
    it s a bit expensive. 58 keys model price is 150 euro, a german **panzer** hardware hehe.
    ...
    it comes with proprietary software to programming keys, all saved in on-board memory.
    ...
    it has 2 layers, so basically it has 2 profiles. doubling how many programmed keys can be stored on it.

    personally i ve decided to buy this keyboard after read some people use it on work to update/program various typo of hardware terminals.
    with many good reviews.

    ofc programming requires direct connection to pc without passing from km sync.

    AIMOS 8P ... : GOOD test!
    ...
    i m going to use it connected with aimos 4p to send keys to followers.

    shuone 8p ... : GOOD
    ...
    looks like this programmable kb can work good with both most common/used km syncs.
    That is a pretty interesting keypad. It reminds me of the Koolertrons which were great in theory but not interoperable with KM switches.

    On a related note I had similar thoughts and wanted a fully hardware programmable keyboard/keypad so I did a ton of research and in the end I decided to leverage the Open Source Quatum Mechanical Keyboard Firmware standard (QMK). I had a hard time finding a cost effective yet professional QMK option and looked at lots of alternatives including isolinear keypads.

    Most QMK options I found looked to be devices that need lots of hobbiest type of effort that I don't really have time for (and were expensive on top of needing lots of effort). In the end I decided that if I was going to pay that much for something I decided that I wanted to get something that would work in my normal life and would be effective for my job as well. The best professional option that I could find that looked to be effective in both games and work were the following QMK compatible options (which have 4+ programmable layers/profiles):

    All of the above should be fully usable for work and regular use with a default profile and then on one or more game profiles/layers every single key should be fully programmable (even sophisticatedly macro-able)...

    If I have time (which is a big IF) I would love to test a QMK option with a synchronous switch (or hear of other's test results).
    Last edited by nodoze : 12-26-2020 at 03:39 PM

  8. #38

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    Quote Originally Posted by nodoze View Post
    Glad to hear another Aster implementation having good results so far as it has so much less overhead than full VMs.

    Overall the ShuOne 8 seems to be the most readily available but also the least compatible with devices...

    The mouse reported to work with the ShuOne 8 is the Razer Naga Trinity which should go well with your Razer Huntsman keyboard. Some specfic notes from the testers were/are here:

    https://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/...l=1#post433594

    Some conflicting results here:

    https://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/...l=1#post433482

    Further clarification here:

    https://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/...l=1#post433696

    Though this is with an Amios4 the following is how to best have a chance to get it to work:

    https://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/58028-Input-Device-compatibility-testing-with-KVM-amp-KM-switches?p=433695&viewfull=1#post433695

    If you try one please report back your results including any nuances.
    Ya, exchanged my Scimitar for the Razer Naga Trinity on amazon and got $10 back.

    Bezos is an evil genius. Soo easy to do exchanges.

  9. #39

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    The initial post at the top of the thread has been updated with everything up to this post. Thanks for submissions thus far and please post to the end of this thread any corrections or new submissions (or if I missed something above). Please link to original sources if from other threads/sites and I will try to include the links in the summary.

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    Some interesting notes on using a mouse to control switching on the ShuOne 8 that I saw in Discord:

    Note that the Razer Trinity mouse may work fine but for other mice you may want to try the following...

    yeaunome 12/22/2020:
    @nodoze Corsair Scimitar CH-9304311-NA - OK - Basic Mouse Functions work - No Macros/Rebinding of the 12 keys on the side 8 port ShuOne

    destrolock Today at 1:47 PM:
    @yeaunome yes I was having the same issue. It does not pick up the ALT or Control for switing purposes when it comes from the mouse. I does however sent those keys though to the computer. I'm using g502 onboard mem.

    yeaunome Today at 1:48 PM:
    were you able to rebind it?

    destrolock Today at 1:48 PM:
    I got around that by binding the serial mode function to a key. press once to enable you to swhich to a screen and then press it again to turn it off and lock it to the screen you are on. It took a bit to get used to but I really like it now.
    To be honest my setup is working pretty well with the 2 Shuones, one mouse one keyboard.
    I set 2 macros on the mouse to turn on broadcasting to all PC's and another to toggle Serial Mode whih allows me to do 2 things. the first is to toggle serial port on which when you are in a broacasting state automatically jumps to port 1. You then have 2 options toggle it again and lock it to PC 1 or move your mouse left to right jumping from port 1 all the way to 8 and back through to 1. Moveing left with the mouse does the reverse effect. When you are on the desired computer with your mouse you can toggle off Serial and you mouse stays locked to that port.
    Simple macros pass through to the shuone so Scroll lock Scroll Lock M and Scroll Lock Scroll lock 0 were all i needed in order to make this work. I was able to do some other fancy things but This gave me the best functionality and even allowed me to drive from other PCs very easily.

    yeaunome Today at 1:52 PM:
    hmmm ty. working on digesting that lol

    destrolock Today at 1:53 PM:
    I also have a 3rd bind on my mouse to reset the shuone when it acts weird.
    Scroll lock Scroll lock R Resets the Shuone
    Scroll lock Scroll Lock M Turns on and off serial mode. When serial mode is on you will get a bunch of weird screen movement when it is locked to a specific monitor that goes away.
    Scroll lock Scroll Lock 0 Turns on broadcasting to all ports
    The reason I settled on this is becasue if you are in broadcast mode and press the serial mode it always jumps to port 1 then i press Serial mode again to lock it to Port one and that is the port I play from with the mouse. very rarely am I broadcasting my mouse unless I am picking up quest items or gathering. I was going to make a guide but havent had time.

    yeaunome Today at 1:58 PM:
    ok, im following. You can set Serial Mode to toggle from Broadcast On directly to Port 1
    which is exactly what i need. I will definitely check it out shortly

    destrolock Today at 2:00 PM:
    Yep. I was banging my head against the wall until I realized it did that. I went so far as to macro turning on / off all ports one by one but that took a bout 3 seconds to complete one by one.

    yeaunome Today at 2:00 PM:
    lol

    yeaunome Today at 2:09 PM:
    Boom. working perfect. My left hand thanks you.

    destrolock Today at 2:40 PM:
    Glad it worked

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