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  1. #1

    Default Did Anyone Receive Warning for Using AutoHotKey/HotKeyNet ?

    Just need to verify if using one of these to do tasks not related to broadcasting to multiple windows is ok or not.

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    Blizzard doesn't detect the software you're using (outside of known cheat processes.) They look at the behavior of your characters.

    If you have multiple characters on follow, performing actions in a way that could potentially be key the result of any type of key broadcasting you're likely going to be banned.

    Just using AHK/HKN for whatever reason on a single character won't be an issue (assuming whatever you're using them for wasn't an issue prior to the rule change.)
    Last edited by Apatheist : 11-06-2020 at 03:18 PM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apatheist View Post
    Blizzard doesn't detect the software you're using. They look at the behavior of your characters.

    If you have multiple characters on follow, performing actions in a way that could potentially be key the result of any type of key broadcasting you're likely going to be banned.

    Just using AHK/HKN for whatever reason on a single character won't be an issue (assuming whatever you're using them for wasn't an issue prior to the rule change.)
    Is this backed by some official statement? I did contact a GM, asking if just using those features not related to key broadcasting is ok not. He said they were not informed of the details of the policy so wasn't sure about it. In another post, some people received warning for using isboxer even for the non key broadcasting features

    One thing for sure is Blizzard does detect the software. Whether they will go ahead and take action just because of that is exactly what we want to figure out.


    https://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/...l=1#post433088
    Last edited by cannon : 11-06-2020 at 03:24 PM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apatheist View Post
    Blizzard doesn't detect the software you're using. They look at the behavior of your characters.

    If you have multiple characters on follow, performing actions in a way that could potentially be key the result of any type of key broadcasting you're likely going to be banned.

    Just using AHK/HKN for whatever reason on a single character won't be an issue (assuming whatever you're using them for wasn't an issue prior to the rule change.)
    I would tend to agree as they would have to scan our personal PC/Computer and I assume that is highly illegal? I mean, how would they know if they didnt that it is just running in the background for window usage? Maybe I don't get it so please enlighten me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGiraldo View Post
    I would tend to agree as they would have to scan our personal PC/Computer and I assume that is highly illegal? I mean, how would they know if they didnt that it is just running in the background? Maybe I don't get it so please enlighten me.

    They intentionally leave the door open so you'll buy their product. Make no mistake they are not fine with hardware multiplexing. They just don't say anything about it now reserving the right to declare it prohibited later.

    Regardless of the addiction I strongly suggest not buying the product.

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    Not saying I agree with this, or think they should be allowed to do this - but Blizzard has already stated that they do scan your systems memory and that we've all already agreed to this. I don't think this is "illegal" in anyway - I think it would only be problematic if they did it without your consent.

    Last edited by jak3676 : 11-06-2020 at 03:06 PM

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGiraldo View Post
    I would tend to agree as they would have to scan our personal PC/Computer and I assume that is highly illegal? I mean, how would they know if they didnt that it is just running in the background for window usage? Maybe I don't get it so please enlighten me.
    Warden can detect system processes but neither ISBoxer or AHK are cheating software. 99% Of the bans people receive will be from people reporting multiboxing, not from them detecting software. Which is why I said there's no practical difference between software boxing and hardware boxing from the perspective of an observer. People will still be banned for it.

    However, for single boxing, even if Warden does detect those processes and your account is automatically flagged/banned, it will be overturned when you appeal since you're only running one client. The only rule change is against broadcasting. If you're only running one client you obviously can't be broadcasting.
    Last edited by Apatheist : 11-06-2020 at 03:11 PM

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGiraldo View Post
    I would tend to agree as they would have to scan our personal PC/Computer and I assume that is highly illegal? I mean, how would they know if they didnt that it is just running in the background for window usage? Maybe I don't get it so please enlighten me.
    Wrong, they have been scanning your PC all the time. A simple experiment, open this youtube video in Chrome while running wow. Your wow client will crash a few minute later (they're scanning your window title for sensitive keywords)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6mmkft2Qd4
    Last edited by cannon : 11-06-2020 at 03:11 PM

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    Blizzard is a private company and has a legal right to impose almost whatever restrictions they want when you use their software and can demand pretty much whatever access they want to your PC as part of their legal ToS.

    You don't have to like it just like you don't have to use Blizzard products but you do have to agree to it if you choose to use their products.

    Blizzard has for a long time banned 1 action (keystroke/mouse-click) initiating more than 1 action in one or more game clients.

    Blizzard has now banned 1 action (keystroke/mouse-click) initiating more than 1 action in more than one game client from at least software multiplexing. If you push hardware multiplexing to play as usual you will likely get our community the clarification none of us want/need (that hardware multiplexing is also banned).

    I would try to be creative and work out solutions with no multiplexing... This thread discuss classic classes that may work for the various roles without ANY multiplexing (no hardware nor software) and also mentions at least one retail class (& the ones listed for Classic may work for retail as well).

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    Quote Originally Posted by cannon View Post
    Wrong, they have been scanning your PC all the time. A simple experiment, open this youtube video in Chrome while running wow. Your wow client will crash a few minute later (they're scanning your window title for sensitive keywords)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6mmkft2Qd4
    Warden process detection is designed to detect cheats. Both ISBoxer and AHK are legitimate software that many people use for many reasons. I can't imagine Blizzard banning people simply for having those processes running in the background of a single client where there's clearly no broadcasting occurring.

    Quote Originally Posted by cannon View Post
    Is this backed by some official statement?
    No, but it makes sense. The rule change prohibits key broadcasting between clients. That's it. AHK and ISBoxer aren't cheats so why would they result in a ban?

    Then again, maybe I'm making a mistake in assuming Blizzard still uses logic.
    Last edited by Apatheist : 11-06-2020 at 03:22 PM

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