So... hardware multiboxing?

[nodoze]

HEADS UP THAT MULTIPLE FOLK ARE HAVING ISSUES GETTING THE KOOLERTRON KEYPADS WORKING THROUGH THE KM SYNCHRONIZER...

IF YOU GET YOUR KOOLERTRON WORKING WITH THIS KM SWITCH OR ANOTHER ONE PLEASE REPLY TO THIS THREAD...

IF YOU GET A DIFFERENT KEYBOARD/KEYPAD WITH HARDWARE STORED MACROS WORKING THROUGH THE KM SYNCRONIZER PLEASE LET US KNOW WHAT MODEL(S) YOU FIND ARE WORKING...

... I need to double-check all of the below when I have more time but this could save folk lots of money so I figured best to get this out here ASAP even if I don't have time to double-check everything...
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Target 5box setup (credit most of this concept from bpkdasbsaum):

• Run 5x Windows Desktops on 1 PC via MultiSeat Virtualization (not regular VMs);
• Each Window Desktop runs one wow client;
• Primary Windows Desktop does Video to Primary monitor;
• 4 other Virtual Desktops do Video to a 2nd Monitor in a quad layout (multiple ways to do this);
• Primary Desktop has dedicated main keyboard+Mouse;
• Use "synergy-like" software to allow your main keyboard+mouse to "float" between all 5 desktops (one at a time);
• Small keypad to send game commands to all 5 desktops (1 keypad to control all 5 game clients) via KM synchronizer; Could also have a 2nd mouse here for ground AoE targeting...

I am thinking that many people could do the above resulting in a pretty nice setup leveraging what they have and only spending something like:

• ...
• $35-$?: KM Syncronizer: Likely needed for either approach. Included cables likely work easier if you are just connecting them all to the same PC...
• $55-$77: 2nd Keypad for KM Syncronizer: Likely something like this 23key-Keypad or this 48key-Keypad would be ideal depending on how many keys you need for all 5 clients to do all the roles (Classic WoW is pretty basic). You should be able to feed this to all 5 Desktops for gaming from one single keypad and just bind different keybinds per wow client*
• ...

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I will also try to update the post above to reflect this (and update it further if things change)... If we find another keyboard/keypad that stores the macros in the hardware I will try to update this to reflect that as well.

So far the only device confirmed working with programmable buttons though the ShuOne KM sync switch are:
- Razer Naga Trinity mouse works great with all key mappings;

Tested against an Aimos 4 port switch (not confirmed for ShuOne yet):
- Razer Orbweaver;

More details on testing in this thread...

EDIT: Tracking of Testing is now being done here so it is in one place in one easily accessible post:

https://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/...mp-KM-switches

[nodoze]

... Since only software was named in the policy update I plan on switching to hardware solution with one PC and Aster (Edit: Multiseat desktop virtualization superior to VM) setup:
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Additional Hardware ordered:

8 ports KVM switch USB synchronizer ...

Goal
Run 5x Windows via Aster (https://www.ibik.ru/)
Keyboard sends a signal to the KVM switch USB synchronizer
Each Windows receives it's own hardware keyboard signal
Each Windows runs one wow client
4 slaves run on 4k display via 4x 1080p PBP
1 master on main display

bpkdasbsaum,

How are things progressing?

Did you get in your hardware in and were you able to do any testing with your 4MP &/or Warrior3MP teams?

The reason I ask in part is because another friend has been doing some 5box testing with Aster and is seeing decreases networking performance with the WoW clients disconnecting.

I think so far he has been using 1 Network Interface Card (NIC) and I recommended he try 2+ NICs...

Are you seeing anything similar?

How many NICs are you using?

[bpkdasbaum]

bpkdasbsaum,

How are things progressing?

Did you get in your hardware in and were you able to do any testing with your 4MP &/or Warrior3MP teams?

The reason I ask in part is because another friend has been doing some 5box testing with Aster and is seeing decreases networking performance with the WoW clients disconnecting.

I think so far he has been using 1 Network Interface Card (NIC) and I recommended he try 2+ NICs...

Are you seeing anything similar?

How many NICs are you using?

Kinda meh ¬_¬

KVM arrived a few days ago, didn't have time to deal with it properly until Saturday.
15h+ Troubleshooting Sound and Display issues (non multibox related).
Setting up the KVM and displays was straight forward, but my GFs PC didn't have sound as a result and multiseat has limitations for displays/graphic card assignment. I found out that my IGFX couldn't output sound for some reason, but ports on normal gfx cards worked fine, attempted to trouble shoot that for hours, couldn't find a solution, opted for workaround.

Didn't have any disconnect issues while multiboxing, but didn't have time for extended testing, was only standing in town and checked out how controls work for about 10-15min. I am using and integrated card from my motherboard (ASUS PRIME-Z270-A) Intel® I219V, 1 x Gigabit LAN Controller

Gotta say it's shitty to play / control right now _ _"

Struggles/issues to overcome:

1. battle.net app issues
- only 1 login per bnet possible , if you login on the second machine, it logs out the first.
- install directory shared can't install bnet app per user with individual settings
- only 1 install path can be selected (I have each wow in seperate directory with symbolic links)

Workaround: Create shortcut to each wowclassic.exe and start wow on each client. wow account and settings are saved per wow login (due to individual config.wtf)

2. Control and starting

It's apain the ass to switch to each display and start wow on each of them
display settings reset everytime I switch from extended view to 4x PBP (I have to set my other monitor as main every time)

M>ouse/keybinding have to be redone completely. I used hotkeynet previously and not all buttons / mouse clicks were sent. I set up my binding, so only specific combinations were sent. This way I didn't have to rebind or change stuff on my main char.
With the KVM, all keypresses and mouse actions are sent. Don't know how to deal with that. Just deleting keybinds won't work, if I for example press ALT Q on master, but the binding does not exist on slave, the slave will still send Q in the game client.

Don't know how to prevent mouse from sending on clients, I don't want left and rightclick to be sent while in synchronous mode)
Can't press 2keys + mouse rightclick same time. Seems to be hardware limit of the switch. If I walk forward, and strafe left right, I can't have freelook at the same time, the camera loses focus (W A/D + holding right click)

3. KVM

Sometimes the KVM shortcuts via keybiard to switch to next port won't work
Mouse feels junky, but works (took me sometime to find the option to switch the mouse mode from absolute to relative)
I got a G700s mouse it has an integrated chip that can be programmed and able to send keys, all additional buttons work.



I wish there was a better hardware solution, with more options of what is sent and what not, similar to hotkeynet
Or someone please make or point me to a KVM, that has real pass through / cloning ^^

[bpkdasbaum]

By the way. I got a slightly different KVM from the us guys.

Amazon in US has the SHUONE.

I got the FJ Gear "FJ-US108" from Aliexpress:

http://www.fj-gear.com/US108/show/217.html

[Andreauk]

Do you really want to risk your account? I saw this posted earlier:

https://postimg.cc/NLgnSxNN

[bpkdasbaum]

Do you really want to risk your account? I saw this posted earlier:

https://postimg.cc/NLgnSxNN

Woudn't trust too much into a customer support reply. They are known to please you as the customer to get rid of your hard questions so you don't contact again, they give simplified answers and they are not involved in the actual bans from what I understand. Those are done by different teams/developers/hacks team.

Blue posts are a better source, but even those tend to be dodgy or got things wrong in the past.

We know that only software is a bannable offense but multiboxing is still allowed. In your screenshot you (or someone else) ask about multiple mice being tied together while controlling multiple PCs and the customer rep says "no" it's not allowed. That's a bullshit reply to get rid of you, since he can't really answer that kind of question anyway.

If this were the case, anyone who share PCs/home/internet connect and play together like brother and sister or husband and wife would get banned following this logic, which is certainly not the case.

Also think about detection methods. How would warden distinguish between 2 hardware keyboard inputs be it you controlling both mice or you and your brother? Blizzard keeps firing staff and closed one of their call centers recently. Pretty sure everything is going to be automated, noone is going to follow you around for hours.

TLDR: You will never get a straight answer about this from a customer rep, because they don't know shit.

[Andreauk]

I think if they get a report about you as a boxer and see your characters casting at the same time they would just ban anyway - it's only a matter of time before they do ban it fully.

[bpkdasbaum]

I think if they get a report about you as a boxer and see your characters casting at the same time they would just ban anyway - it's only a matter of time before they do ban it fully.

They wouldn't be able to verify if you are using software or not. Also unlikely that this kind of man power is applied to hundreds or potentially thousands of boxers/botter reports on all realms. It would be easier to automate this rather than have a human do it manually.

[Kaige]

Blizzard's automated reporting system is dangerous, though. It just takes enough people reporting to make you stick out. Pre-mades were cheating in Warsong Gulch by having enough people mass report an opposing team's healer for a name change to get them kicked to the character select screen and out of the match.

You guys are applying logic to Blizzard, which they have developed a history of not using. You don't have to be paranoid, but I would be careful nonetheless. People flaunting the rules about multi-boxing in the past but pushing the limits is what got us here, after all.

[nodoze]

I agree it is somewhat pointless to try to apply logic or predict what Blizzard is going to do...

On top of user reporting, it would be pretty easy for Blizzard to so an automated system looking for broadcasting/multicasting of any type (and frankly not care whether hardware/software based but even that can be fairly reliably determined with the right tools). We do this at my work for monitoring every attempted-login/login/use of our OSes/DBs/Apps and any team competent with SIEM tools and Workflow tools could automate a process... More discussion on this topic previously here:

https://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/...194#post433194