Originally Posted by jak3676
This is simply not true! Blizzard has little to no interest in what you have installed on your computer. Why would they? Only what you have running and interacting with the game's memory or the method being used to send input to the game. SendMessage and PostMessage are api's common for developers making such apps. Guess what else uses / abuses them? Bots.
This kind of misinformation is not at all helpful for the community.
They can prolly read file system too, but I don't know, pretty easy to track if WoW was opened via soft or not, from memory.
Well, maybe gonna make clean Windows VM without soft at all, then, just for WoW.
Sure it is. But I don't know, how is this multiple actions per press thing.
Last edited by woloss : 11-11-2020 at 02:10 PM
The use of input broadcasting software that mirrors keystrokes to multiple WoW game clients will soon be considered an actionable offense
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/ne...sting-software
Eonar - EU
I disagree. GM's have said they're looking for and reporting for any use of the software - even if its not interacting with the game. They're now providing warnings on "using software intended for input broadcasting". Didn't Lax recommend to uninstall it himself? The new version ("Joe MultiBoxer" 'JMB') is an all new .exe and all .dlls (because they know Blizzard is scanning for the presence of these current version). I can repost the links to people saying they've gotten warnings even though they only used it for window setup, or even where they only have a single account active.
Happy to have to have a discussion about this if you think I'm wrong, but I don't think its fair to call it "misinformation". I think our community's recommendation should be to uninstall ISBoxer and InnerSpace completely.
My bad, didn't know about "Mirroring" function. Well, need to write some "Before WoW launch" checklist
Please show us where GM's have said this! Again- using and installed are very different things. The two shouldn't be conflated. When Blizzard sends out a warning or action, it is for a specific account with specific reasoning.
NO ONE has received a warning that says "because we detected X software installed on your pc".
An actionable offense will always specify the account and the action: "We detected X on this account". Meaning you did something WHILE playing on that account.
I have it on good authority that blizzard is looking for a specific type of software interaction with their games. And it is this type of interaction that was being exploited.
If LAX is recommending we uninstall, I have not received that notice. And I do still use the software with OTHER games.
Multiple people in the ISboxer Discord have said they received warnings when running WoW with InnerSpace in the background even though they did not use ISboxer nor InnerSpace in any way to launch nor interact with WoW.
He does not disagree with this, neither do I. Where I, and I assume Pocahuntesss, disagree with Jak3676 is in just having it installed is an actionable offense, this is completely untrue.
Yes Blizzard can detect it if it is a running process and can then action your account because they will detect the prohibited software. But just having it installed and NOT running they cannot (or at least SHOULD not) be able to see this as that is a giant breech of privacy. That's like saying they can see all my nudes just because its "installed" on my hard drive. It's completely wrong.
Saying just having innerspace installed and is detecable without being a running process and therefore actionable IS misinformation. You do NOT need to uninstall innerspace to keep playing WoW. You DO need to make sure it is closed and NOT a running process to keep playing wow without getting actioned.
Last edited by CokeZero : 11-11-2020 at 11:51 PM
I'll try to go back and dig up some more links that people have gotten from GM's recommending uninstall. I've read a few similar to this one. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...13290/rip2.png Uninstalling has been discussed on the ISBoxer discord - I thought that recommendation came from Lax himself, but I don't see it in the announcements so I'll have to dig. Blizz is clear that they're looking for the presence of software intended for software broadcasting - not necessarily just its interaction with the game client. You cannot just avoid using the offending pieces and try to keep the rest - there is no portion of ISBoxer that's safe to use with WoW. It will have to recompiled into a whole new application with new support files before its safe to use again. Would you recommend that someone keep software installed that if accidentally left running may get the user banned?
I totally get the difference between installed, running (but not interacting with the WoW client) and interacting with the WoW client. Warden can only look at stuff in memory - not scan your hard drive for the presence of files. I wasn't trying to make a point about how warden works, I was replying to the user above who said he hasn't used it all, but just had it running in the background. Where I said that you'll get a warning by leaving it installed, I don't mean that warden (or whatever else Blizz uses) will find it on your hard drive, but that if its installed and you ever once have something left in the background, or there's some portion still present in memory; then you'll be in trouble once Warden finds it. My original could have been better - I'll say "present" as opposed to "installed". My point in replying to the user was that Blizz can scan for all software running - even if its not interacting with the WoW client directly. So if you leave ISBoxer installed just for window management, FPS optimization, or for other games, then forget to make sure everything is closed before you run WoW, that's just asking for trouble. To fix that issue - its best to uninstall.
I full stand by the recommendation to completely uninstall InnerSpace, delete ISBoxer and remove the addon that's installed in game. I think that should be this community's recommendation for anyone who plays WoW until JMB is released. I think it would be irresponsible to suggest leaving ISBoxer installed is OK. It may be possible that some users can keep it installed and always make sure they have a clean memory (reboot every time you want to play WoW) but I think many people will mistakenly leave something running and not even know it.
The original policy update was pretty clear - its not just that they will begin banning for input broadcasting via software, but that players "should not use this software while playing World of Warcraft"Originally Posted by jak3676
I disagree. GM's have said they're looking for and reporting for any use of the software - even if its not interacting with the game..
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/ne...sting-software
This ticket response may more clear - don't use the software even if you're only a single player. Blizz considers ISBoxer prohibited software
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...nputs/708987/8
If we're debating if the software needs to be interacting with the WoW client or merely running - Blizz is clear that they check for both, by looking at your systems memory https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...18/unknown.png
But yes, the offending program would have to be present in memory, not just on the hard drive without being used.
Is there any of this that we disagree with?
Last edited by jak3676 : 11-12-2020 at 05:21 AM
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