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[boxblizzard]

Since boxing early stages around 2008, and recently returned for some classic bash.

the hate perception I get from players since my return is in a new league, I am instantly branded as a botter and people taking screenshots and sending them off.
we are all potentially a victim of future ban waves potentially due to automated systems.

but I believe this was inevitable because end of the day we are playing the game the way it was not designed and therefore were always going to be blamed for doing things differently even if it has been considered acceptable by blizzard. I love my boxing always have I like a challenge and I like doing things by myself due to my schedule.

I don’t want put a downer on it but we are really up against a horrible crowd of people and as it has been mentioned above it really does feel like we are an abomination on the verge of being pushed out with pitchforks and torches.

The bottom line is originally multi boxing was frowned on for so-called unfair advantages in player versus player it has then moved on to botting because gold farmers/bots are taking advantage and using multi boxing and therefore creating a poor image.

so now we are up against multiple cases.

I feel like we are becoming a rare breed and if we show our faces we will get shots like big game and we’re not going to be around long enough, if I’m in the open where others quest or in cities I literally feel sometimes I’m on eggshells because how do I know I’m going to get randomly banned within the next week or month or next wave.

this is not scaremongering this is just what everyone is thinking and we are their customers to this as opposed to the sellers so therefore we feel threatened.

we have to look at trends and we have to look at the way things are moving in a direction and right now historically this is heading in a consistent direction and not improving so therefore ultimately something is going to happen, because money is always the influence of all things chances are my boxing will always exist however they may make subtle changes to please the pitchforks.

so who knows what’s going to happen I just hope I can still play without any issues but these days do not feel the same as they once were back in the day.

we should all stick together playing what we love to do and voice our opinions to blizzard if we can where we can so we can continue to do what we love today.

My 50 Cent

PS this was written by voice recognition so please excuse some of the structure of this message.

[WOWBOX40]

Personally i couldnt care less if they removed herb and/or mining to be possible / banned from doing it at the same time on multiple accounts.
(if people want to go back and hunt for a single node, like they used to back in the days, vs what we have now (atleast now you have a chance to get loot (unless a 10boxer grabbed it all recently), then go for it.

If they want to ban people from "stand still farming very fast respawning mobs", they have many options on how to fix that too (by the way this seems to be the "new go-to method for botters", as the botters competition for herbs etc got difficult for them, because of the current herbs popularity?).



I dont care if they banned multiboxing in the biggest Bg's too.



Time will tell if they will do anything about any of this. Its been like this since legion now.. nothing happened yet.

If they were indeed trying to fix things (instead of just nerfing the loot drops), but is having difficulty finding solutions so far (but they hope to eventually), they could just announce and updated their "ToS" to include that ..... aka: "so and so activity is from now on bannable".

[WOWBOX40]

"Ashran fan at work"

[MiRai]

I didn't realize I was so late to this thread, but I'll just toss out a few replies to give my thoughts on the matter.

Blizz failed game design that came with 8.3 - Small zone to farm Zin'anthid - 10 druid emty notes - powerfull Alchemy ToT. Most people only goes to Nazjatar to farm so more farmers are put in same phase/shard = less resources for everyone.
Now some says that it´s the multiboxers fault the prices is low = End of exp. and everyone is unloading, working from home and the hunt for the Dino.

I do tend to agree with this stance since those who are creating the threads are overwhelmingly focused on Nazjatar and Zin'anthid, when there are zero complaints about any other herb or ore found throughout any BFA zones (even Osmenite, which is only found in Nazjatar). Every other resource that can be gathered in the outside world is readily available in high quantities for anyone to go out and gather for themselves.

Now, whether you can label the Nazjatar/Zin'anthid situation to be "failed" or not, is a different topic altogether.

It's funny the player base blames multiboxers. The AFK and Standstill farmers both claim it's blizzards fault they're grinding so hard to get the 5 million gold bruto mount.

As usual, the typical multiboxer gets caught in the middle. What I feel is important for people to remember is it's *always* been like this. People have always, and will always hate on multiboxers and not understand it.

IMHO Ultimately we the multiboxing community have to be the examples for others to make up for the bad actors. This is also how it's *always* been. If you've been around here long enough you'll know we've had to throw out some of these bad actors from the community. It's also important to remember while we are the multiboxing community, there is more than one multiboxing community. It's not just limited to this site. Or ISBoxer forums, or even DB discord and ISB discord. We are represented by them, and are representative of them in the same way. We have to lead by example.

I've dipped my toe in some stand still farming to see what the fuss is about. It's neat. It's boring as hell and I have no idea *why* people would spend hours and hours doing it, but that's not for me to understand.

I still feel strongly that people multiboxing 20+ accounts to standstill farms are doing more harm than good to the overall community. They're the ones disrupting zones by tagging all the mobs or making it impossible to quest, or running around killing everyone in sight in world PvP. If you're out there running your own 2x4 team more power to you. But if you're having to fight someone running two, three, or four times the number of toons it's just silly. It comes down to greed and narcissism. As much fun as it is to watch 20 toons destroy people coming in one at a time to run a dungeon I remember what it's like to be the solo character and it sucks.

Amen, brother.

I hope blizzard doesn't restrict multiboxing, but I feel like they might try to do something to prevent the massive multiboxers from playing.

Maybe something along the lines of restricting /follow and/or /assist to one battlenet, or a cap on the number of toons following/assisting another.

If they remove follow and assist altogether, that totally kills boxing for me.

I don't want to sound as if I have the answer, or as if my ideas are easy to implement, but it'd be great if Blizzard changed BNet accounts to hold up to 10 non-PTR/beta WoW licenses, and then they could potentially apply some restrictions around that limitation. The reason I would like 10 is because there will always be a group of multiboxers who will want to challenge themselves by raiding, and 10 is obviously the minimum number required to do that.

However, such a change would be Blizzard showing some level of support for multiboxing, and if they were to go with the choice of restricting follow and/or assist, two base functions of the game, to only an account-wide function, that would restrict normal, everyday players from using it. So, I don't see them moving in that direction.

On the other hand, I could get behind the idea of a limit to the number of players that can follow you, but they might need to do some further math behind the scenes to calculate the total number of players being followed in a "connected mesh" of sorts and limiting it that way. Otherwise, mass-multiboxers could just create follow trains to stay under the total cap.

Seems to me one possible solution is to have MB friendly realms akin to RP realms. Then everyone can enjoy their play style.

At this point, it's probably too far ingrained into Retail to begin specifying server types or restrictions (unless they're providing some free transfers and other services to make the move), but I was hoping that Blizzard would designate some of the upcoming TBC/Wrath re-release expansion realms to be either boxing-friendly or not, so that we don't see the same situation that we see on Classic.

However, unless they simply disable follow and/or assist on those realms, the need to police multiboxing would create additional work for Blizzard.

Hey guys been boxing since Burning Crusade and while we all deal with the hate on an almost daily basis towards Multiboxing...
What the fudge has been going on with the official WoW forums the last 3 months?

Seem's every day several threads with a pitchforked mob demanding our playstyle be removed from game, what's with this surge in hate?
Some seem to confuse boxing and botting but there is definitely a large surge towards Boxing specifically.

I realise you cannot educate certain people, hate is gonna hate however I don't get this uptake in hate? What's changed?

The hypocrisy the recent banning of a boosting service reported 40 billion gold traded during BFA alone and now that 40 billion removed from the economy and the same people crying about multiboxing ruining the economy are the ones spunking all their gold on paid boosts and yet claiming Multiboxers ruin the game..

Been "Reported" in /s yesterday over 10+ times.... What's with these idiots?

Finally, I have to ask... Is this you on Twitch?

[twitch.tv/Tiny__D] LIVE: World's best multiboxer, better than you poor solo players!
[twitch.tv/Tiny__D] LIVE: Multiboxing champion, solo players sux!
[twitch.tv/Tiny__D] LIVE: Multiboxing champion, crushing dweebs dreams.
[twitch.tv/Tiny__D] LIVE: Multibox King, breaking solo players hearts all over the World of Warcraft.

If so, I have to wonder why you're confused as to how we're in this current situation, or even why the hate against multiboxers continues to grow?

[Purpleflavor]

Finally, I have to ask... Is this you on Twitch?

[twitch.tv/Tiny__D] LIVE: World's best multiboxer, better than you poor solo players!
[twitch.tv/Tiny__D] LIVE: Multiboxing champion, solo players sux!
[twitch.tv/Tiny__D] LIVE: Multiboxing champion, crushing dweebs dreams.
[twitch.tv/Tiny__D] LIVE: Multibox King, breaking solo players hearts all over the World of Warcraft.

If so, I have to wonder why you're confused as to how we're in this current situation, or even why the hate against multiboxers continues to grow?

@Tiny_d
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUu9nzOWh9w

[Facedthemusic]

So, I've only been boxing for a little over a year now. In the last ~7 years of WoW retail, it's been very obvious that Activision/Blizzard is becoming more and more profit driven.

From a purely profit standpoint, they would be losing probably a fair amount of revenue if they banned boxing altogether.

Here's to hoping it never goes away!

[Generalbrock]

I've posted in several of the threads on the WoW forums and most people seem pretty supportive of multi-boxing. It seems to be the same few people constantly trying to stir the pot on the forums. I don't think there has been a large upswell of multi-boxing hatred of anything like that. To this day, most of the people I meet in the world are friendly and curious about how I multi-box.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

I've posted in several of the threads on the WoW forums and most people seem pretty supportive of multi-boxing. It seems to be the same few people constantly trying to stir the pot on the forums. I don't think there has been a large upswell of multi-boxing hatred of anything like that. To this day, most of the people I meet in the world are friendly and curious about how I multi-box.

Yes. This sums up the entire debate. Most of the folks I see in the world think it's cool and because I'm helpful when I see someone fighting an elite or getting swarmed, they are usually appreciative.

On social media, though, it's usually one or more of:

* That looks easier than my solo play, ergo it must be BAD.
* I don't know how to do that so it must be cheating and, ergo, BAD.
* They seem to have a lot of money, ergo it must be BAD.
* They have things I haven't been able to get in the game, ergo they must be BAD people.
* They can run their own dungeons while I have to do sucky queues, ergo it is BAD.
* They have massive advantages in every aspect of WoW. No, I don't have to state specifics because it's obvious. It is therefore BAD. Because. You disagree? You're probably an asshole. (see also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzmLFEC014A)
* I am now a popular person in WoW and have been playing it for years and I don't like that playstyle because reasons, ergo it is BAD, because I said so.
* That person is doing something that we used to do but they are doing it better than we did, but that's not competence or research or practice -- it must be because they are cheating and ergo BAD.
* People I like and that I want to like me said this was wrong and abusive and evil and terrible and mean and thus BAD.

Back when we multiboxers were rare, it was understandable that people would fear the unknown. Nowadays, though, it's metastasized from typical ignorant internet clout chasers spewing logical fallacies into pathological mobs. It's odd how many people latch onto something they see online or in the news and parrot the desired talking points, even though the thing they profess to hate largely does not affect them and is neither illegal or immoral. It goes further downhill when these ill-informed Champions Of The Downtrodden see themselves as a valued part of a community, think anyone in said community gives a damn about them, internalize that, and then adopt a "defending the community from the evils of <insert bad thing>" mode of behavior. I suppose this is the necessary end result of people not learning any lessons from history or classic literature. Or just never learning how to resist peer pressure. The Madness of Crowds, indeed.

[Andreauk]

How would you feel if they added multiboxer servers?

I'd rather that than lose boxing altogether.

[Ikevink]

How would you feel if they added multiboxer servers?

If we're going down something like that route, I'd rather it be inverted. ie make specific servers where multiboxing is not allowed. And then watch no one play there cause "everything is too expensive".