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  1. #31

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberie View Post
    People are not getting suspended/banned for stand still farming, Ridosaw is the most obvious example of someone on a massive scale publically doing it and not running into any bother. <br>
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    People are getting suspended/banned for pushing those limits like Kate mentioned. <br>
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    And all this talk is, is scaremonging for new comers to the game/multiboxing. The post above is case in point.
    Sorry but to me this seems like a contradiction. What "limits" should we not be pushing? Are you talking limits in stand still farming, no farming certain spots, not farming for a certain amount of time, not farming if there is a WQ active, what is it? What does "dont be an a-hole" mean? I know there are youtubers and streamers that show off these stand still farms for primals, volatiles, xmog, mounts, so to me if people are quietly getting banned it's even worse letting big names do it on stream but then quietly banning a "nobody" for doing the same thing.

    If they banned a streamer/youtuber for afk farming it would spark a huge debate on the forums about what is different between multiboxing vs. 2x4 farming, suddenly non-multiboxers playstyles would be threatened as well, it would be a massive, massive mess for Blizzard. So the fact that certain streamers merely exist is NOT evidence that this playstyle is accepted by Blizzard.<br><br>If there are certain laws or absolutes we're not allowed to break, I sure wish I knew them. For example I like farming pets and transmog, am I breaking some imaginary rule? I really, really don't know, that is what people are upset about.&nbsp;And when reports trickle in that someone got banned, for me at least, its even worse. What if 20 people were banned for the same thing on the same day? You would never know, would you?

    And if that's the reality that we live in, where it's possible to be banned for rules we're not allowed to know, then new people should know that too. Because it's innocent enough to watch someone on youtube show you how to park toons and farm transmog/primals fast, but nobody would do that if they knew they could get banned for it

    Quote Originally Posted by Svpernova09 View Post
    This is exactly why we moderate the heck out of these threads because it's 100% impossible for us to know what Blizzard is thinking until they tell us. For me, it all comes back to the "Don't be an asshole" philosophy. It doesn't matter if you're running 1 account or 500: Don't be an asshole.
    To be honest, if 20 people rushed to the forums claiming they were banned for a certain reason *cough HKN a few weeks ago* then it would be an early warning to others who maybe hadn't logged on that day, that, for some unknown reason, MANY veteran accounts are reporting bans on the same day for ______ reason. I'm sure one could draw some parallels from that.

    The same could be said now or in the future for afk farms. It's gotta be a matter of when, not if, that they just keep banning people 1 by 1 for overfarming an area. What prompts it, is it 10 randoms reporting them, is it a GM spying, is it just bad luck on a bad day?

    Sorry if this came out aggressive, I do understand why you keep things a certain way. I do feel "Uncertain" on the rules of the game though and I had to get it out there. For now with this uncertainty, I try to "play the game" as good a boxer as I can - world quests for emissaries, gathering, playing the AH. No more stand still farms because I simply don't know.
    Last edited by cerruption : 06-24-2020 at 05:34 PM

  2. #32

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    If you're actively playing your characters, like literally looking at them, you're not getting suspended for this shit. youtubers/streamers are not getting suspended live because they are doing just that, playing the game. A shit way the play the game but still playing the game none the less.

    There are "laws". Don't bot.

    How many people slowly graduate from carple tunnel smaking the keyboard to a hold macro on their mouse to a full on toggle macro to his their favourite one button keybind to then putting their netflix above wow?

    As for the HKN thing, the reason you don't hear about them anymore is because that got overturned as a mistake. . . Sure there was outrage at the start but I know loads that had their ban overturned. Some without even making an appeal.

    Again, they don't suspend/ban people for stand still farms, they nerf the locations down into the ground most of the time to make them worthless. GM spy on you all the time, if you've managed to piss enough people off to get you reported. At which point you're put under a microscope pretty much.

    So unless you're doing bad shit, you've nothing to worry about. I've played the game since 2007 and have never felt in any danger at all with how I play it.

    Quote Originally Posted by cerruption View Post
    Sorry but to me this seems like a contradiction. What "limits" should we not be pushing? Are you talking limits in stand still farming, no farming certain spots, not farming for a certain amount of time, not farming if there is a WQ active, what is it? What does "dont be an a-hole" mean? I know there are youtubers and streamers that show off these stand still farms for primals, volatiles, xmog, mounts, so to me if people are quietly getting banned it's even worse letting big names do it on stream but then quietly banning a "nobody" for doing the same thing.

    If they banned a streamer/youtuber for afk farming it would spark a huge debate on the forums about what is different between multiboxing vs. 2x4 farming, suddenly non-multiboxers playstyles would be threatened as well, it would be a massive, massive mess for Blizzard. So the fact that certain streamers merely exist is NOT evidence that this playstyle is accepted by Blizzard.<br><br>If there are certain laws or absolutes we're not allowed to break, I sure wish I knew them. For example I like farming pets and transmog, am I breaking some imaginary rule? I really, really don't know, that is what people are upset about.&nbsp;And when reports trickle in that someone got banned, for me at least, its even worse. What if 20 people were banned for the same thing on the same day? You would never know, would you?

    And if that's the reality that we live in, where it's possible to be banned for rules we're not allowed to know, then new people should know that too. Because it's innocent enough to watch someone on youtube show you how to park toons and farm transmog/primals fast, but nobody would do that if they knew they could get banned for it



    To be honest, if 20 people rushed to the forums claiming they were banned for a certain reason *cough HKN a few weeks ago* then it would be an early warning to others who maybe hadn't logged on that day, that, for some unknown reason, MANY veteran accounts are reporting bans on the same day for ______ reason. I'm sure one could draw some parallels from that.

    The same could be said now or in the future for afk farms. It's gotta be a matter of when, not if, that they just keep banning people 1 by 1 for overfarming an area. What prompts it, is it 10 randoms reporting them, is it a GM spying, is it just bad luck on a bad day?

    Sorry if this came out aggressive, I do understand why you keep things a certain way. I do feel "Uncertain" on the rules of the game though and I had to get it out there. For now with this uncertainty, I try to "play the game" as good a boxer as I can - world quests for emissaries, gathering, playing the AH. No more stand still farms because I simply don't know.

  3. #33

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    That's the problem when the face of WoW content that has 40K average livestream viewers started this notion that when he checks the area or dungeon through /who. Any high level characters who don't have a guild are automatically botters especially if the names are similar. Which is a problem in our end since we can't invite and create guilds due to Bnet account limitations. Plus we don't really care if our other toons don't have a guild and only our main has it. Imagine hundreds of his minions reporting you.

    Check 10:31

    Last edited by Diwa : 06-24-2020 at 11:04 PM


  4. #34

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diwa View Post
    That's the problem when the face of WoW content that has 40K average livestream viewers started this notion that when he checks the area or dungeon through /who. Any high level characters who don't have a guild are automatically botters especially if the names are similar. Which is a problem in our end since we can't invite and create guilds due to Bnet account limitations. Plus we don't really care if our other toons don't have a guild and only our main has it. Imagine hundreds of his minions reporting you.

    Check 10:31
    it doesn't make a blind bit of difference if all 40k reported you, if you're just playing the game, you've nothing to worry about.

  5. #35

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diwa View Post
    Which is a problem in our end since we can't invite and create guilds due to Bnet account limitations. Plus we don't really care if our other toons don't have a guild and only our main has it. Imagine hundreds of his minions reporting you.
    What limitations? Why cant we invite and greate guilds? All of my characters are in my own guild.

  6. #36

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberie View Post
    it doesn't make a blind bit of difference if all 40k reported you, if you're just playing the game, you've nothing to worry about.
    Omg, if you forbid talking about bans in one way, please forbid talking in other ways too, because it is just disinformation.
    Back in the days in 2013 or whenever you were multiboxing it could be true, but now it is not, look around and see how many people are whining about multiboxing here and there and how many streamers did extremely toxic videos about it. There are a lot of false-positive bans because of it, and not all of them got overturned, I'm actually not sure if most of them got overturned.
    I don't know how you can't see it, mb you are playing like 1-10 hours a week or something, or not playing at all, maybe not playing Classic (I don't know much about current state of actual, was playing/boxing it in Legion last time).
    When your own users with registration more than 12 years ago are saying they were banned and were not overturned, you are just calling them liars and banning on the forum, instead of let them talk at least in separate thread and cooperate against this unfair shit.
    I can understand, you scared, if we cooperate against blizzard, they might make multiboxing against rules, so you want to stay as quite as possible and keep making money from ISBoxer as long as you can, because WoW is actually last (or one of the last games) where multiboxing is not dead.
    It is your choice, but at least forbid this guy I quoted from posting his disinformation too, because he (or she idk) is wrong and have no idea what he is talking about, making conclusions on his own experience is nothing but funny.

  7. #37

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    Good lord find something real to freak out about rather than imagining you’re being oppressed and in danger of mob action for being a multiboxer.

    It’s multiboxing of a video game. It’s supposed to be fun (and occasionally frustrating). Chill the hell out, walk away from the computer for a bit, and quit borrowing trouble.

  8. #38

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    Reports by players can get you looked at, they do not get your suspended automatically. If you get looked at and you're doing bad shit, you risk getting fucked by a gm.
    Your own actions get you auto-suspended - hopefully as a false positive. Who here things it's normal to farm 10 mobs for 12+ hrs straight?

    I play 4 to 9 hours a night, 3 to 7 nights a week. I've done this for the past 12 yrs.

    I do not believe anyone that comes on a forum to champion their innocence since a forum has not effect at all to the outcome.
    It is also a completely one side conversation with no proof. I'm not calling them a liar, I simple refuse to believe them.

    Way too many people come on here and discord and say they did nothing later to be caught out on their story.
    There has even been a few "higher" (in the sense of the MB community) profile streamers that got suspended while they were off stream and again, caught out in their stories. "i was only using a keyboard macro to keep me moving while i got something to eat". ... ... .. for what, you were getting food for 10 hrs?

    There are 2 things that happen. You either are botting or you're doing something that is so akin to it, that you get profiled as one.

  9. #39

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    All my evidence is anecdotal, but it seems to be right now (at least in classic) that if enough people report you, you get a temp ban - at least until a GM looks at it and realizes there's nothing there, then it gets reversed. It's become almost its own meme in PvP (or PvE world boss fights) on my own server to just get 100's of people to report someone.

    The standard practice is also to /who every high level dungeon and to report every player without a guild for botting - especially groups of druids/warriors + 3 Mages + priest.

    It seems as though Blizz's response to the botting is so bad, that many players feel they need to help. I'm not saying they're being effective at all, or that being guildless is any indication of botting, just that's what's going on. I completely agree that none of this actually helpful - likely just generating lots of false positives for Blizz to sort through.

    Personally, I've never had any sort of ban, and I've never even been "bot checked" by a GM to the best of my knowledge. But I share the original poster's sense of uncertainty. There's just a lot of anti-multiboxer sentiment right now, much of it confused with anti-botting sentiment. I actually moved all my chars into one of the bigger name guilds just to avoid some harassment.

    Last edited by Svpernova09 : 06-25-2020 at 11:31 PM

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    I believe this thread has run it's course.

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