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  1. #21

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truelle View Post
    Listen.. I stand nothing to gain by posting about my ban here.. I would think some other people may find the information useful to prevent them from getting banned for doing something that most people don't currently think is a bannable offense... I know I would have found it useful...
    Blizzard said you were botting or exploiting. The fact that you were *multiboxing* as well has no bearing on the fact you were cheating.You're trying to scare people who are not breaking the rules multiboxing and it's not helpful.

  2. #22

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svpernova09 View Post
    Blizzard said you were botting or exploiting. The fact that you were *multiboxing* as well has no bearing on the fact you were cheating.You're trying to scare people who are not breaking the rules multiboxing and it's not helpful.

  3. #23

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    Quote Originally Posted by kate View Post
    Honestly, I don't really see the fuss about gathering and farming. Sure, we can hit more nodes or whatever, but I'd say the AH barons on a server do more damage to markets than the small number of multiboxers.
    I really don't think it's fair. A 10 boxer can empty every node they come across - I really don't blame other players for getting annoyed.

    I just rerolled on a lower pop realm because my old realm was swarming with 10 box Druids. I can make more gold on my new server because prices haven't been driven into the dirt.

    Boxing should never impact on others in a negative way IMHO.

    Quote Originally Posted by Truelle View Post
    I was stand still farming in Voldun.. no automation... I was present at the keyboard... I was only there about an hour, but there was a horde World Quest near by and there was a lot of Horde in the area.. IThere's another boxer on the WoW Econ reddit
    My bet is you were banned for zone disruption. If you farm world quest mobs that others need you risk a ban. A gm told me this once when I was asking about standstill farming for mounts.

    Were you farming the Sethrak for the azerite world quest for Champions of Azeroth?

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  4. #24

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    I do wish Blizz had more specificity in some of their rules (and how they vary between PvE and PvP servers). The words "zone disruption" and/or "griefing" aren't actually in any of ToS/EULA or Code of Conduct, but everyone will quote them like they were. (https://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/...l=1#post430209)

    Similarly the line between "exploiting game mechanics" vs "Clever use of game mechanics" seems to be pretty fluid and in the eye of the beholder although 1 of those 2 will get you banned. There's some Blizzard posts talking about intent and repeatability, https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...ages/301488/81, but I still find it unbelievable that walking an opposing faction priest into the opponent's capital city to MC a mob that their own citizens then kill in order to get more world buffs falls under "cleaver use" and not "exploit". But at least Blizz did finally make a post that was OK. Stand-still farming seems to go the other way and be considered an exploit, but I haven't actually seen that in a blue post anywhere. Although I'm glad this forum took a stand against it.

    I'd love to tell people that they should just always avoid anything that's even remotely close to being considered a game exploit, but it seems like most of the "1-pull" meta in Classic right now evolves around stuff that someone could seriously consider an exploit. I had 1 guy spend at least 30min spamming /LFG that he reported me for mining a node that was ~20 yards away from him while he was fighting a mob. I wasn't even multiboxing at the time.

    My server discord (US PvE server) has been having a great debate how how much interruption is allowed when we're all fighting over mob tags for world bosses. Apparently a whole bunch of people received short bans for pulling extra mobs onto the raid that had the boss - I would have said that was perfectly OK (PvE problem with a PvE solution and all that). Our own discord is still trying to sort out if they received bans just because so many people reported them and it was an automated response or if its actually against ToS.
    Last edited by jak3676 : 06-23-2020 at 08:03 PM

  5. #25

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    If everybody could stop doing scummy things and then blame it on multiboxing, that would be nice.

    If you consider stand still farming "while at your computer" (but really watching netflix with the game to the side or any other variation of this) not scummy, then fuck right off out of multiboxing please.

    Thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by jak3676 View Post
    I do wish Blizz had more specificity in some of their rules

    Why the hell would they ever do that. It would mean pricks would just sidestep every rule they laid out and then claim that they did nothing wrong.

    Zone Disruption is totally in the eyes of the beholder because their eyes are looking at the shit that you're doing and telling to to move the fuck along. Nobody is getting suspended while offline for ZD unless there is good reason, and proof.


    Last edited by Jabberie : 06-23-2020 at 07:18 PM

  6. #26

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andreauk View Post
    I really don't think it's fair. A 10 boxer can empty every node they come across - I really don't blame other players for getting annoyed.

    I just rerolled on a lower pop realm because my old realm was swarming with 10 box Druids. I can make more gold on my new server because prices haven't been driven into the dirt.

    Boxing should never impact on others in a negative way IMHO.
    I don't know if "fairness" is really the issue in a game where 1 person with TSM and bank alts can completely dominate large parts of the AH and cause more problems for more people than 10 druids draining nodes. AH Barons are FAR more widespread (every server has a bunch of them!) than multiboxers - the problem is the way the games economy is set up and the fact that middlemen are able to insert themselves and drive up prices for everyone.

    I agree that boxers should seek to have the least negative impact on others that they can, because I'm not a jerk, but again - I don't think it really matters, in comparison to AH barons, if some people farm as a wildly inefficient way to make gold.

    Quote Originally Posted by jak3676 View Post
    I do wish Blizz had more specificity in some of their rules
    Ha, no. They're vague because people are really good at coming up with ways to cheat. Gamers are like children trying to test the limits with with rules lawyering equivalent to "I'm not touching you!" and it wouldn't matter how specific Blizzard gets.

    I've boxed for an embarrassingly long time, across multiple games, and with varying degrees of disruption to other players, and I've literally never once been banned for anything remotely related to multiboxing (I *did* get a forced name change and an 8 hour ban for using an auto-generated name that turned out to be an obfuscated slur though, which was funny). To me, that means that the people getting banned, or reaaaaaallly needing clarification of the rules because they're worried about violating them, know damn well they're walking on the edge and are looking for cover.
    Last edited by Svpernova09 : 06-25-2020 at 11:32 PM

  7. #27

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    Fair points - I'll restate. I wish Blizz would more quickly clarify specific interpretations or applications of their rules when they make them. I'm fine with the rule being being necessarily broad.

    It took weeks for Blizz to clarify that killing off the world buff NPCs by using a priest from the other faction to MC them didn't count as either an exploit or as unallowed cross-faction collaboration (which is apparently only applicable to win trading). Until they made that post there were significant parts of the population calling for those doing it to be banned.

    I still don't know Blizz's actual position on stand-still farming. They seem to do a semi-decent job fixing any locations where people figure out a spot to do it, but I think a blue post saying don't do it - we consider that against ToS would go a long way.

    Also see my above post about squabbling over world bosses. There were a number of people who received a 24-hour ban, and its not clear why. Some said they got theirs overturned, some did not - but its unclear if that's because the initial ban was a mistake, or something else. At this point its a few weeks past so it's already OBE, but still puzzling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jak3676 View Post
    Fair points - I'll restate. I wish Blizz would more quickly clarify specific interpretations or applications of their rules when they make them. I'm fine with the rule being being necessarily broad.

    It took weeks for Blizz to clarify that killing off the world buff NPCs by using a priest from the other faction to MC them didn't count as either an exploit or as unallowed cross-faction collaboration (which is apparently only applicable to win trading). Until they made that post there were significant parts of the population calling for those doing it to be banned.

    I still don't know Blizz's actual position on stand-still farming. They seem to do a semi-decent job fixing any locations where people figure out a spot to do it, but I think a blue post saying don't do it - we consider that against ToS would go a long way.

    Also see my above post about squabbling over world bosses. There were a number of people who received a 24-hour ban, and its not clear why. Some said they got theirs overturned, some did not - but its unclear if that's because the initial ban was a mistake, or something else. At this point its a few weeks past so it's already OBE, but still puzzling.


    This is exactly why we moderate the heck out of these threads because it's 100% impossible for us to know what Blizzard is thinking until they tell us. For me, it all comes back to the "Don't be an asshole" philosophy. It doesn't matter if you're running 1 account or 500: Don't be an asshole.

  9. #29

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    Just recently got into multi boxing, but I decided against using any outside software. Its just not worth the risk to me. Right now I just alt tab, which is annoying, but works. I'd love to just control my 2nd character from one screen. But at the end of the day, I only multi box to cut down on my time doing dailies. So my tabd character is pretty much a trailer.


    I know its wishful thinking, but I wish blizz would just work with these companies who make the software. It would increase costs. But lets be honest, whos trying to save money here with 10+accts

  10. #30

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    Quote Originally Posted by jak3676 View Post
    I still don't know Blizz's actual position on stand-still farming. They seem to do a semi-decent job fixing any locations where people figure out a spot to do it, but I think a blue post saying don't do it - we consider that against ToS would go a long way.
    People are not getting suspended/banned for stand still farming, Ridosaw is the most obvious example of someone on a massive scale publically doing it and not running into any bother.


    People are getting suspended/banned for pushing those limits like Kate mentioned.

    And all this talk is, is scaremonging for new comers to the game/multiboxing. The post above is case in point.

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