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  1. #11

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    Quote Originally Posted by WOWBOX40 View Post
    You definitetly dont want to prevent other players the ability to complete their quests / get the required mob kills they need to complete their quests. Thats why i never farmed a area that had mobs other players absolutely needed. Atleast always leave a / some mobs other players can tag, so they can carry on with their lifes.

    Exactly. IMHO there is no difference in a mass multiboxer camping a quest hub preventing people from questing/progressing and farming one of these areas completely so others can't quest.

  2. #12

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    My opinion is that the biggest problem we're facing right now is botting and associated gold selling (although the gold selling may be specific to classic). And I'd argue that streaming is the 2nd problem - anytime you're intentionally (or unintentionally) concentrating hundreds of people into one area it causes too much disruption to others, but that's another argument for another day.

    While I don't think that most multiboxers are botting, it does seem like almost all botters are also multiboxing (at least in classic). Personally the latest round of bans or instance caps don't seem to have actually caught any of the botters on my server. The same people are still in the same dungeons 24x7.

    In addition to the folks who are just purely running teams of bots 24x7, there seems to be a lot of more casual botting going on - cases where the person is generally fully in control most of the time, but does use some automation some of the time. I think its just too easy to cross the line now, and the risk of being caught seems so low. I've had to argue with people in my own guild about the definition of botting. (e.g. I click this button and it runs a small script recorded on my programable keyboard that makes everyone mine/herb, then remount and follow again, or I use this button to "turn on" my dps cycle which is then executed automatically until I hit the button again to "turn off" my dps cycle, not to mention all the fishing bots.)

    Not that any of this is new, but it seems to be getting worse recently. In classic right now the barrier to entry is so low - with no game to purchase up front, you just need $15 to get started. Retail isn't much different - its just $20 to upgrade a starter account to BfA right now isn't it? So it seems like botters are regularly using throw away accounts - if Blizz is only going to do ban waves every couple of months I guess they figure they'll get their money's worth and then just rinse and repeat once they get caught.

    At a technical level, the hardware requirements have certainly gone way down - any semi-recent PC and video card is good enough if you don't really care about performance - its not like someone who sets their account to farm all night cares what level of FPS their getting.

    I haven't ever looked at the market place for WoW bots, but as a network penetration tester I can tell you market for any sort of technical hack has only gotten cheaper and more widespread, less technical/more user friendly. You don't have to have any technical knowledge at all and you can buy just about whatever sort of hack or DDOS you want cheaply and easily now. It seems like years ago the people botting were either mostly programming it themselves or maybe trying to purchase something from some really fishy warez sites where your odds of getting scammed were quite high. Now there's professional looking websites that brag about their customer service. My guess is that the people making the money botting aren't even the people doing the actual botting in game - its the people selling the bots and the gold.

    Personally it seems like even some of the legitimate systems and tools we have available to us as multiboxers are too much. The 4x2 farming thing just seems like bad game design. I get that Blizz wanted to allow multiple people to tap a node to reduce the frustration of getting beat to the node. But getting 8 herbs at a time feels even more broken. Blizz seems to be doing only minimal work to fix all the stand-still farming spots - that's equally bad design whether they're getting farmed solo, by bots or legitimate multiboxers (not even counting the AFK-multiboxers who I think fall somewhere between legitimate and a bot). I kinda wish Blizz would break even some simple stuff like having all toons take the same flight point and sharing quest turn in (I know that's allowed in the Blizz API - I'm suggesting they change the API).

    I guess I share some sentiment with the original poster that public opinion seems to have changed and I could even understand if Blizz did some sort of knee jerk reaction and did something game changing like breaking /follow.

  3. #13

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    I think the main reason it seems like more people are bothered by us now is because there are more people playing during the pandemic.

    Honestly, I don't really see the fuss about gathering and farming. Sure, we can hit more nodes or whatever, but I'd say the AH barons on a server do more damage to markets than the small number of multiboxers.

  4. #14

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    I wasn't going to post this here because I know these posts have been frowned upon lately.. but I just got a 6 month ban.. my accounts had been active 10 years with no issues.. I was stand still farming in Voldun.. no automation... I was present at the keyboard... I was only there about an hour, but there was a horde World Quest near by and there was a lot of Horde in the area.. I am sure some probably reported me.. I appealed and and they denied the appeal.. like I said I have never had an issue in 10 years before.. I think Blizzard has reached a tipping a point with boxers.. we use to pretty rare and pretty much harmless.. it's getting so popular now I think Blizz has decided to take action.. There's another boxer on the WoW Econ reddit who posted a similar story today..

  5. #15

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    I dunno, i see a group of 10 bots swoop down 1 by 1 in Naz on a single node, and it's obvious they are not just multiboxing, they are botting. It's depressing. It literally looks like Starlink. It's not like before. Jak is right, not all multiboxers are botting, but all bots are multiboxing. And it's likely gonna hit us the same way pvp /follow hit us with collateral damage.

    The main issues are farming resources, 4x2 farm groups, and instance bots. Blizzard is focusing on stopping instance bots atm(it's been thrust into the public by streamers recently and they had to act). Next will likely be resources, I think most people are wanting single tap nodes just to spite multiboxing, which is fine by me it wont change anything really. As for 4x2 farming, i would venture when they come up with something viable since the only obvious options effect everyone. Likely they'll go the route of the lesser evil and block multiple bnet accounts from participating, but im just speculating. 4x2 farming is the least likely to be changed anytime soon.

    They just cleared out 74,000 botters in Classic wow, im guessing almost all instance botters. So the question is, where will they go now? It's unlikely those botters will just give up. Will we start seeing massive teams of 4x2 and resource bots? The instance bots were the majority because they tend to be hidden from the community. So yes, there is a lot of uncertainty atm for multiboxing suffering from collateral damage. Right now if those 3 issues dont effect you much, you should be okay.

    I really wish they'd defer from changing the quality of the game to counter botting and instead hunt down and perma ban botters. They seem to want to automate everything and as long as they are the top mmo that wont change.

    Quote Originally Posted by Truelle View Post
    I wasn't going to post this here because I know these posts have been frowned upon lately.. but I just got a 6 month ban.. my accounts had been active 10 years with no issues.. I was stand still farming in Voldun.. no automation... I was present at the keyboard... I was only there about an hour, but there was a horde World Quest near by and there was a lot of Horde in the area.. I am sure some probably reported me.. I appealed and and they denied the appeal.. like I said I have never had an issue in 10 years before.. I think Blizzard has reached a tipping a point with boxers.. we use to pretty rare and pretty much harmless.. it's getting so popular now I think Blizz has decided to take action.. There's another boxer on the WoW Econ reddit who posted a similar story today..

    If they reached a tipping point with boxers they would convey that to us and it's super extremely nearly impossible highly unlikely that anyone would be banned before they put the message out. They just dont work that way. They are not going to decide they want to change a rule that is over a decade old and start banning people before even letting them know they changed the rule.

    Something else other than multiboxing caused the suspension. This is why they dont want these posts made in this forum, because nobody but you really knows what happened. And it's never because of multiboxing. It's always something else.
    Last edited by Svpernova09 : 06-25-2020 at 11:32 PM

  6. #16

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    Well the one thing that me and the other guy that posted on the reddit forum today that was similar is we were both doing stand still farms that had hyperspawns.. so I guess Blizzard considers that a bannable offernse now... I can actually understand that... it is taking advantage of game mechanics.. but it's also no different than the LFG groups doing 2x4 farms..

  7. #17

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truelle View Post
    Well the one thing that me and the other guy that posted on the reddit forum today that was similar is we were both doing stand still farms that had hyperspawns.. so I guess Blizzard considers that a bannable offernse now... I can actually understand that... it is taking advantage of game mechanics.. but it's also no different than the LFG groups doing 2x4 farms..
    i would go to the official forums and ask customer support for help if you werent given any clear reason. They are pretty good at taking a quick look into your account and clearing things up. 4x2 is done by groups all day every day, it's not against the rules even if they dont want it happening they havent stated it's against the rules. They would post something about it if they were going to ban anyone for it.

    were you not given a reason in your suspension or appeal? Even so, most bans arent for what you were doing when you got banned. Usually a long process from something that triggered it long ago.

    Honestly hope you're innocent and it's a false flag. You're a veteran boxer and not some fresh account under ten posts, so i'm leaning towards false flag, but if you appealed and they looked at it and still said nope, that's a big yikes. Try the customer support forums, they really do help in my experiences.

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    Here's the notice I got when they suspended my account... I already rolled up 8 new accounts and just won't be doing any stand still hyper farms anymore..

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  9. #19

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    Truelle, please stop posting about your ban, by your own screenshots you were banned because you were either botting or abusing game mechanics. We don't allow discussion of either here.

  10. #20

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    Listen.. I stand nothing to gain by posting about my ban here.. I would think some other people may find the information useful to prevent them from getting banned for doing something that most people don't currently think is a bannable offense... I know I would have found it useful...

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