Feeling uncertain

[Truelle]

I wasn't going to post this here because I know these posts have been frowned upon lately.. but I just got a 6 month ban.. my accounts had been active 10 years with no issues.. I was stand still farming in Voldun.. no automation... I was present at the keyboard... I was only there about an hour, but there was a horde World Quest near by and there was a lot of Horde in the area.. I am sure some probably reported me.. I appealed and and they denied the appeal.. like I said I have never had an issue in 10 years before.. I think Blizzard has reached a tipping a point with boxers.. we use to pretty rare and pretty much harmless.. it's getting so popular now I think Blizz has decided to take action.. There's another boxer on the WoW Econ reddit who posted a similar story today..

[Purpleflavor]

I dunno, i see a group of 10 bots swoop down 1 by 1 in Naz on a single node, and it's obvious they are not just multiboxing, they are botting. It's depressing. It literally looks like Starlink. It's not like before. Jak is right, not all multiboxers are botting, but all bots are multiboxing. And it's likely gonna hit us the same way pvp /follow hit us with collateral damage.

The main issues are farming resources, 4x2 farm groups, and instance bots. Blizzard is focusing on stopping instance bots atm(it's been thrust into the public by streamers recently and they had to act). Next will likely be resources, I think most people are wanting single tap nodes just to spite multiboxing, which is fine by me it wont change anything really. As for 4x2 farming, i would venture when they come up with something viable since the only obvious options effect everyone. Likely they'll go the route of the lesser evil and block multiple bnet accounts from participating, but im just speculating. 4x2 farming is the least likely to be changed anytime soon.

They just cleared out 74,000 botters in Classic wow, im guessing almost all instance botters. So the question is, where will they go now? It's unlikely those botters will just give up. Will we start seeing massive teams of 4x2 and resource bots? The instance bots were the majority because they tend to be hidden from the community. So yes, there is a lot of uncertainty atm for multiboxing suffering from collateral damage. Right now if those 3 issues dont effect you much, you should be okay.

I really wish they'd defer from changing the quality of the game to counter botting and instead hunt down and perma ban botters. They seem to want to automate everything and as long as they are the top mmo that wont change.

I wasn't going to post this here because I know these posts have been frowned upon lately.. but I just got a 6 month ban.. my accounts had been active 10 years with no issues.. I was stand still farming in Voldun.. no automation... I was present at the keyboard... I was only there about an hour, but there was a horde World Quest near by and there was a lot of Horde in the area.. I am sure some probably reported me.. I appealed and and they denied the appeal.. like I said I have never had an issue in 10 years before.. I think Blizzard has reached a tipping a point with boxers.. we use to pretty rare and pretty much harmless.. it's getting so popular now I think Blizz has decided to take action.. There's another boxer on the WoW Econ reddit who posted a similar story today..

If they reached a tipping point with boxers they would convey that to us and it's super extremely nearly impossible highly unlikely that anyone would be banned before they put the message out. They just dont work that way. They are not going to decide they want to change a rule that is over a decade old and start banning people before even letting them know they changed the rule.

Something else other than multiboxing caused the suspension. This is why they dont want these posts made in this forum, because nobody but you really knows what happened. And it's never because of multiboxing. It's always something else.

[Truelle]

Well the one thing that me and the other guy that posted on the reddit forum today that was similar is we were both doing stand still farms that had hyperspawns.. so I guess Blizzard considers that a bannable offernse now... I can actually understand that... it is taking advantage of game mechanics.. but it's also no different than the LFG groups doing 2x4 farms..

[Purpleflavor]

Well the one thing that me and the other guy that posted on the reddit forum today that was similar is we were both doing stand still farms that had hyperspawns.. so I guess Blizzard considers that a bannable offernse now... I can actually understand that... it is taking advantage of game mechanics.. but it's also no different than the LFG groups doing 2x4 farms..

i would go to the official forums and ask customer support for help if you werent given any clear reason. They are pretty good at taking a quick look into your account and clearing things up. 4x2 is done by groups all day every day, it's not against the rules even if they dont want it happening they havent stated it's against the rules. They would post something about it if they were going to ban anyone for it.

were you not given a reason in your suspension or appeal? Even so, most bans arent for what you were doing when you got banned. Usually a long process from something that triggered it long ago.

Honestly hope you're innocent and it's a false flag. You're a veteran boxer and not some fresh account under ten posts, so i'm leaning towards false flag, but if you appealed and they looked at it and still said nope, that's a big yikes. Try the customer support forums, they really do help in my experiences.

[Truelle]

Here's the notice I got when they suspended my account... I already rolled up 8 new accounts and just won't be doing any stand still hyper farms anymore..

[Truelle]

Listen.. I stand nothing to gain by posting about my ban here.. I would think some other people may find the information useful to prevent them from getting banned for doing something that most people don't currently think is a bannable offense... I know I would have found it useful...

[Fat Tire]

Blizzard said you were botting or exploiting. The fact that you were *multiboxing* as well has no bearing on the fact you were cheating.You're trying to scare people who are not breaking the rules multiboxing and it's not helpful.

[Andreauk]

Honestly, I don't really see the fuss about gathering and farming. Sure, we can hit more nodes or whatever, but I'd say the AH barons on a server do more damage to markets than the small number of multiboxers.

I really don't think it's fair. A 10 boxer can empty every node they come across - I really don't blame other players for getting annoyed.

I just rerolled on a lower pop realm because my old realm was swarming with 10 box Druids. I can make more gold on my new server because prices haven't been driven into the dirt.

Boxing should never impact on others in a negative way IMHO.

I was stand still farming in Voldun.. no automation... I was present at the keyboard... I was only there about an hour, but there was a horde World Quest near by and there was a lot of Horde in the area.. IThere's another boxer on the WoW Econ reddit

My bet is you were banned for zone disruption. If you farm world quest mobs that others need you risk a ban. A gm told me this once when I was asking about standstill farming for mounts.

Were you farming the Sethrak for the azerite world quest for Champions of Azeroth?

[jak3676]

I do wish Blizz had more specificity in some of their rules (and how they vary between PvE and PvP servers). The words "zone disruption" and/or "griefing" aren't actually in any of ToS/EULA or Code of Conduct, but everyone will quote them like they were. (https://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/...l=1#post430209)

Similarly the line between "exploiting game mechanics" vs "Clever use of game mechanics" seems to be pretty fluid and in the eye of the beholder although 1 of those 2 will get you banned. There's some Blizzard posts talking about intent and repeatability, https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...ages/301488/81, but I still find it unbelievable that walking an opposing faction priest into the opponent's capital city to MC a mob that their own citizens then kill in order to get more world buffs falls under "cleaver use" and not "exploit". But at least Blizz did finally make a post that was OK. Stand-still farming seems to go the other way and be considered an exploit, but I haven't actually seen that in a blue post anywhere. Although I'm glad this forum took a stand against it.

I'd love to tell people that they should just always avoid anything that's even remotely close to being considered a game exploit, but it seems like most of the "1-pull" meta in Classic right now evolves around stuff that someone could seriously consider an exploit. I had 1 guy spend at least 30min spamming /LFG that he reported me for mining a node that was ~20 yards away from him while he was fighting a mob. I wasn't even multiboxing at the time.

My server discord (US PvE server) has been having a great debate how how much interruption is allowed when we're all fighting over mob tags for world bosses. Apparently a whole bunch of people received short bans for pulling extra mobs onto the raid that had the boss - I would have said that was perfectly OK (PvE problem with a PvE solution and all that). Our own discord is still trying to sort out if they received bans just because so many people reported them and it was an automated response or if its actually against ToS.

[Jabberie]

If everybody could stop doing scummy things and then blame it on multiboxing, that would be nice.

If you consider stand still farming "while at your computer" (but really watching netflix with the game to the side or any other variation of this) not scummy, then fuck right off out of multiboxing please.

Thanks.

I do wish Blizz had more specificity in some of their rules

Why the hell would they ever do that. It would mean pricks would just sidestep every rule they laid out and then claim that they did nothing wrong.

Zone Disruption is totally in the eyes of the beholder because their eyes are looking at the shit that you're doing and telling to to move the fuck along. Nobody is getting suspended while offline for ZD unless there is good reason, and proof.