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  1. #51

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyonheart View Post
    My mage is 60 ( i know you have seen my many other posts about my first team lol ) I am PLing a paly..lock, priest and mage. And im in stockades atm. I see people talking about pulling the whole instance ( stockades for example ) and there is now way i could do that. I pull about 10-15 at once and have to kill them fast or ill die. And based on what i have seen so far ( deadmines and stockades ) im worried how efficient it will be to PL in higher dungeons like SM. My alts are all 22 now.
    Sorry I honestly have a heard time keeping everyone's teams straight. It is easier for me with folks like Quidling or Brue Lee as I have seen their teams in action. I am looking forward to power leveling with a level 60 Paladin which should be great/ideal till the higher levels. People say Mages are easier/better but I like the Paladin way more (I used to AoE grind on my Paladin in Vanilla->BC->WotLK).

    Most of the leveling with 4-5 Mage teams is just gather mobs and spam AE with the mobs all around you and that likely isn't how a 60 should be doing it...

    If I were doing it as a Solo 60 Mage I would spec Frost with all the armor/buffs and I would do it like JokerD did when he went to 60 by himself. Basically no face tanking and you Blizzard/freeze all the mobs and you keep at range moving at full/regular speed while they are slowed and blink if/as necessary to stay ahead.
    Last edited by nodoze : 11-11-2019 at 07:30 PM

  2. #52

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    Quote Originally Posted by nodoze View Post
    Most of the leveling with 4-5 Mage teams is just gather mobs and spam AE with the mobs all around you and that likely isn't how a 60 should be doing it...

    If I were doing it as a Solo 60 Mage I would spec Frost with all the armor/buffs and I would do it like JokerD did when he went to 60 by himself. Basically no face tanking and you Blizzard/freeze all the mobs and you keep at range moving at full/regular speed while they are slowed and blink if/as necessary to stay ahead.
    My first team.. War..priest and 3 mages, I did it like you would expect..gather and AE until all dead. sometimes add in holy nova with priest. But my solo mage does take a lot of damage when power leveling my lowbies..even in DM i cant just pull everything . i have to limit my pulls. Now as my priest gets high enough to be able to shield and heal my 60 mage, it should get easier. In DM and Stockades, when my alts got high enough to damage the mobs.. they made it easier, i would just run through the instance with them in tow. i spam AE rank1 on the 60 mage to gather mobs up and when my 60 mage starts taking damage..i spam max rank on 60 and the low level mage spams its AE and things die faster.

    Its when i switch to SM that i think it might be slow and painful..unless i learn how to do it the frost way,,keeping the mobs at bay. But if the lower level dungon mobs do that kind of damage to my 60 mage.. it will just get worse in higher level dungons doing it the AE way.

    I was just wondering if anyone on here is using a 60 mage to PL now and have some advice. I am looking forward to having a 60 paladin to PL new teams in the future though! Based on that video.
    Currently 5 Boxing 5 Protection Paladins on Whisperwind Alliance
    The Power of Five!!! ( short video )

  3. #53

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyonheart View Post
    I was just wondering if anyone on here is using a 60 mage to PL now and have some advice. I am looking forward to having a 60 paladin to PL new teams in the future though! Based on that video.
    I am using a 60 mage to boost 3 other mages and a priest. The 60 mage is rather newly dinged and the gear is so-so. Currently elemental spec and boosting in SM GY/Lib. I am not overly impressed to be honest and I have the same experience in that the mage is squishy af. Frost nova on round-robbin is helping though. I find that the most annoying part is gathering the mobs together, seeing that as soon as ice barrier drops off it gets rather risky.

    All in all, it's luke warm and I had hopes that it would go faster. Current xp is somewhere around 25-30 k/hour.

    //Shrimp

  4. #54

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    At what point would it be exp efficent to replace a mage in my WMMMP group with a 60 warlock? Not for soloing the dungeon with the warlock but to simply speed some things up, just treat him as a dps helper. My group is currently level 25

  5. #55

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    Quote Originally Posted by method98 View Post
    At what point would it be exp efficent to replace a mage in my WMMMP group with a 60 warlock? Not for soloing the dungeon with the warlock but to simply speed some things up, just treat him as a dps helper. My group is currently level 25

    This is what im trying doing with my 60 mage in the group. I use her to pl the best she can until the lowbies are high enough to contribute. I just ran to SM this morning and going to start in GY and see how i do.. i also have the pull with eye method i can try..but once the alts get in there 30s..they should be able to heal/dps some..after that.. the mage will just be a high level group member, and ill start playing the team as if she is just one of the DPS..her max level dps should help a lot


    when the alts can damage lvl 48s.. ill try the AE tagging method someplace outdoors. i can use my whole 60 team to do that.. as these new alts are on separate accounts
    Currently 5 Boxing 5 Protection Paladins on Whisperwind Alliance
    The Power of Five!!! ( short video )

  6. #56

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyonheart View Post
    This is what im trying doing with my 60 mage in the group. I use her to pl the best she can until the lowbies are high enough to contribute. I just ran to SM this morning and going to start in GY and see how i do.. i also have the pull with eye method i can try..but once the alts get in there 30s..they should be able to heal/dps some..after that.. the mage will just be a high level group member, and ill start playing the team as if she is just one of the DPS..her max level dps should help a lot


    when the alts can damage lvl 48s.. ill try the AE tagging method someplace outdoors. i can use my whole 60 team to do that.. as these new alts are on separate accounts

    I'd like som data wheter 1 60 in SM is better than a same level mage. Exp wise. Please share if you gather some, my team isnt ready for SM yet

  7. #57

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    Quote Originally Posted by method98 View Post
    I'd like som data wheter 1 60 in SM is better than a same level mage. Exp wise. Please share if you gather some, my team isnt ready for SM yet
    That would assume you are leveling a 5man team with an extra mage being kept the same level as the team that is being swapped out/in.

    Any calculations on XP should factor in that you are rotating out a 5th alt (if that matters to you) unless you really only wanted 4 alts leveled.

    I also am interested in any metrics.

    I updated the 'Levels' tab of the Classic WoW Planning spreadsheet with what a Level 60 should do to the average party level for every level from 15->60 and basically:

    A level 60 with 4 level 30 alts make the party average level 36.
    A level 60 with 4 level 35 alts make the party average level 40.
    (breakouts for every level are in the link above)

    It will be interesting to see any calculations.

    That being said the ease/survivability should be a factor as well and not just the raw XP.

  8. #58

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyonheart View Post
    ... when the alts can damage lvl 48s.. ill try the AE tagging method someplace outdoors. i can use my whole 60 team to do that.. as these new alts are on separate accounts
    It would be interesting if one of the 5 hunter (or 4 hunter+healer) teams can try boosting 2+ low level alts out of group in the world via the tagging method with ONLY THE PETS killing the Tagged alts...

    According to Approach 2B this should work for any 2 alts at ANY level for full XP per kill and could be the fastest way to level 2+ alts at the lowest levels. This could maybe help alot for any twink alts &/or passive crafting alts.

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    i was in SM gy this morning and after 5 runs my alts gained a half of level, 60 mage w/4 23 alts..they dinged 24..i decided to try and run the team as full team of 5 level 21-24 toons ( paly tank..priest healer..lock and 2x mages. Going to run the level 21 mage through DM for the quests..then head to stockades. She has full rested, so she should get close to catching up to the 24s pretty fast. I just want to see if running the dungon with a normal same level team is better exp in the end.
    Currently 5 Boxing 5 Protection Paladins on Whisperwind Alliance
    The Power of Five!!! ( short video )

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    Quote Originally Posted by nodoze View Post
    It would be interesting if one of the 5 hunter (or 4 hunter+healer) teams can try boosting 2+ low level alts out of group in the world via the tagging method with ONLY THE PETS killing the Tagged alts...

    According to Approach 2B this should work for any 2 alts at ANY level for full XP per kill and could be the fastest way to level 2+ alts at the lowest levels. This could maybe help alot for any twink alts &/or passive crafting alts.
    I was able to try this approach with a lvl 50 hunter/warlock boosting 3x lvl 14-16 in Westfall. It was really fast. Tried the hyperspawns and it worked well with a single pet. Tried the hyperspawn in Wetlands as well, but had issues tagging the red lvl mobs fast enough, so the xp/hour sank. Would be insane with a couple of 60 pets following a group of lowbies (just AFK /follow and pet Agressive even). AFAIK only limit is tag speed

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