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    The purpose of this thread is to get all positive examples of PVE boxing of Melee Cleave groups of end game WoW Classic dungeons into one thread.

    Note: Before this thread was started it seemed the majority of comments from melee-cleaving boxers on this forum were from those that were not happy with their melee teams and multiple boxers have abandoned their melee-cleave groups at levels as high as 58 or even after they got to 60 to go with Magic/Ranged/other teams instead... Having multiple viable team makeups and play-styles for boxing is great for the community so lets please focus this thread on getting some good examples where melee-cleave is working for at least some folk as well as maybe also work on tips/tricks/advice to help those for whom it isn't working for... There are already multiple other threads extolling the virtues of mage/warlock/AoE/other teams so lets please not pollute this thread with a bunch of magery, PVP, or any other non-melee-cleave PVE Dungeon topics...

    Videos of boxing Melee-Cleave Groups in Dungeons:

    4Warriors+Shaman in LBRS: from_Swydi
    4Warriors+Shaman in DM-E: from_Quiding
    4Warriors+Shaman in Strat-UD: from_Swydi
    4Warriors+Shaman in Strat-Live: from Quiding
    5Paladins in DM-E: from Dwon

    Builds for Melee-Cleave Groups in Dungeons:

    Shaman build for healing 4Warriors (thanks Quiding);
    Fury DW with Deflection instead of Imp Heroic strike (from Quidling)
    Arms 31/20/0 (from Quidling)

    Some notable motivational quotes from fellow boxers running Melee Cleave teams:
    Quote Originally Posted by Kruschpakx4 View Post
    I can tell you my 4 warrior+shaman team is now 56, wars all have HoJ and gladiator chest, arms sword spec with destiny (boe 54 dps sword) and I regret nothing

    even though you cant aoe pull as much as mages, you constantly burn through groups and don't need to rest nearly as often as caster teams (shaman uses mostly spirit/mp5 gear)
    Quote Originally Posted by Dawkinz View Post
    ... There was a period where my team (3 warriors + 1 Paladin + 1 Priest) hit 60 where any high level (non DM E, BRD, LBRS) dungeon was rough. ... I prioritized getting the quest blues (including the DM West 2H weapon which is sick) and once I grabbed all of that the difficulty switch got turned off. I [now] slam through dungeons like they are nothing. I haven't done UD strat yet, I'm going to bang it out tomorrow but everything else has been cleared (other than post-rend UBRS which I'm not even going to bother with). ...
    Quote Originally Posted by MrPeakyBicepsMan View Post
    I currently have 8 warriors and 2 shamans at 60 and am having an incredibly easy time doing rend runs. I can kill rend in 20-25 minutes which is faster than most groups of regular [players] can pull off.

    Mage heavy groups are definitely significantly easier to manage and are less gear dependent but I’ve found that now that all of my warriors have lionheart helm, devilsaur sets and are almost in full pre raid bis I can just face roll through pretty much every dungeon much faster than a caster group could....
    Note: One thing every one of the above positive quotes has in common is that melee cleave groups excel in dungeons AFTER they get decent end game gear... For many people Melee-Cleave teams are painful until they get decent gear (approaching pre-raid Best in Slot (BiS) levels)...
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    Note: The following is the what the original initial post had before this thread began to get input from others:

    Message originally posted by nodoze on 10-22-2019 at 12:19 PM:
    Last edited by nodoze; 10-22-2019 at 12:23 PM.

    I wanted to get videos of all boxing of Melee Cleave groups of end game WoW Classic dungeons into one thread.

    If there are currently no videos then I wanted to start a thread to encourage fellow boxers to post some into this thread and I will try to keep this 1st post updated with a summary of the links/content. I did some searching but the Melee Cleave videos I found appear to all be from groups of regular people and seem to stop around Scarlet Monastery or ZF...

    In addition to videos I will try to update this 1st post with summaries of discussions in this thread and or any metrics or pros/cons that can be extrapolated.

    Seeing quotes like the following are motivating:
    Quote Originally Posted by Kruschpakx4 View Post
    I can tell you my 4 warr shaman team is now 56, wars all have HoJ and gladiator chest, arms sword spec with destiny (boe 54 dps sword) and I regret nothing

    even though you cant aoe pull as much as mages, you constantly burn through groups and dont need to reg nearly as often as caster teams (shaman uses mostly spirit/mp5 gear)
    Unfortunately it seems that positive responses like this is more the exception as it seems many people have not been happy with their melee teams and some have abandoned them at levels as high as 58 or even 60...

    Having multiple viable team makeups and play-styles for boxing are great so hopefully we can get some great melee-cleave examples where it is working for at least some... Maybe we can get some good constructive discussion & examples in this thread...

    If we get videos of various Melee-Cleave group compositions I will try to keep the links in this 1st thread sorted by group composition/class-makeup.
    Last edited by nodoze : 10-25-2019 at 12:50 PM

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    I can't believe the luck involved in getting 4? savage glad chests and not even be 60 yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercbeast View Post
    I can't believe the luck involved in getting 4? savage glad chests and not even be 60 yet.
    Some people have all the luck. In Vanilla I got an Ironfoe pretty easily and had pretty good luck farming lots of BOP Boss drops for many 39, 49, and 59 twinks for friends so totally understand how the ball can bounce your way.
    Last edited by nodoze : 10-22-2019 at 06:23 PM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercbeast View Post
    I can't believe the luck involved in getting 4? savage glad chests and not even be 60 yet.
    i honestly felt trolled because i got the 4 glad chest BEFORE i got 4 HoJ and only 1 war with the full set (which is kinda bad anyway but looks cool)...anyway I would stream then when Im done leveling, not sure about making videos yet

    running dire maul east right now for the 4 satyr bows, no problem there even without tank, all arms wars with 2h swords as mentioned above. Some consider destiny bad because of its fast speed but the 200 str procc seems to procc quite frequently and Im doing from 200-350 dps per 4 mob groups so Im good with that. I try to make a more precise statistic over a longer time period in the future because there is so much randomness with sword proccs, wf and Hoj (i have no idea what can trigger what and what has ICD of how long, but sometimes I see a bunch of numbers blobbing from an auto attack and have 50 rage).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kruschpakx4 View Post
    i honestly felt trolled because i got the 4 glad chest BEFORE i got 4 HoJ and only 1 war with the full set (which is kinda bad anyway but looks cool)...anyway I would stream then when Im done leveling, not sure about making videos yet

    running dire maul east right now for the 4 satyr bows, no problem there even without tank, all arms wars with 2h swords as mentioned above. Some consider destiny bad because of its fast speed but the 200 str procc seems to procc quite frequently and Im doing from 200-350 dps per 4 mob groups so Im good with that.
    Any thing you can upload would be helpful as there are no examples of success posted and it may be motivational for those who have abandoned their teams. As long as it is a straight run I wouldn't worry about trying to make it pretty/edit per se as folk can always fast forward through parts if desired. If you stream on twitch I think you can save the streams as historic videos on twitch (though personally I have never done that). If you want/need help with that maybe start a thread and then when you are streaming and/or have videos post a link to them in this thread.
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    I ran arena probably 60x on my warriors, and saw Gorosh like 3x total . I think that there is something like a 1-2% chance of getting the savage gladiator chain per arena attempt, when you consider the drop chance, and then the chance you get Gorosh.

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    sure I'll get something recorded

    just to add my playstyle, I dont do heroic strike/cleave at all just ww/ms so it could be further optimized (although Im rarely floating on rage so i dont think it matters much except on boss fights on the one who has aggro), also no execute on trash mobs and no focus fire, always tab trough mobs and kill them together. The more of them are alive, the more damage-the more rage and then you can keep ww and ms on cooldown and it helps splitting aggro on them. Also no thunder clap unless you got trouble with healing.

    Oh and if you can afford it, as soon as you got ravager (which you should have all by 37), put crusader on it, it can procc off the aoe there are scenarios where you benefit from that weapon well beyond 50 (torch room, arena scarabs, strat ...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kruschpakx4 View Post
    i honestly felt trolled because i got the 4 glad chest BEFORE i got 4 HoJ and only 1 war with the full set (which is kinda bad anyway but looks cool)...anyway I would stream then when Im done leveling, not sure about making videos yet

    running dire maul east right now for the 4 satyr bows, no problem there even without tank, all arms wars with 2h swords as mentioned above. Some consider destiny bad because of its fast speed but the 200 str procc seems to procc quite frequently and Im doing from 200-350 dps per 4 mob groups so Im good with that. I try to make a more precise statistic over a longer time period in the future because there is so much randomness with sword proccs, wf and Hoj (i have no idea what can trigger what and what has ICD of how long, but sometimes I see a bunch of numbers blobbing from an auto attack and have 50 rage).
    get 4 of these and video plz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Purpleflavor View Post
    get 4 of these and video plz.
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    haha well, I was aiming for the 4.0 speed axe of lbrs first

    regarding weapon, honestly considering these dropp rates its fastest to wait for p3 and farm alterac exaltet in 2 month for the unstoppable force, or go full tank on everyone and pug MC as MT and lock obsidian sword/rag sword. Having 4x rag sword is probably the most op shit ever since youll get really fast that 2100 armor debuff up which i could imagine makes more of a difference than having r14 weps
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