Quote Originally Posted by Apatheist View Post
Keep in mind the big pull clips being posted are filmed after the mobs are green and the dungeon has already been cleared a few times for the blue mail pieces, shield, etc. If you're just starting out in SM and the mobs are still yellow to you you'll need to take it slower.

The pull order is pretty simple. Position your team around a corner to LoS ranged mobs. Fiery shield on warrior, PW:S the eye, agro as many mobs as you think you can handle. When the eye dies, bloodrage and battle shout so the mobs run to your warrior. Then just spam demo shout and AE once the mobs arrive.
This is pretty much how im doing it atm, although keeping the healer back a fair way to avoid the various CC.

Quote Originally Posted by Apatheist View Post
You can do the math to see how many shouts you need per arcane explosion. At 30 your arcane explosion deals 110 base damage. 110 -40% threat from talents is around 66 threat per GCD. You generate around 31 threat per GCD with demo shout rank 3 (assuming defensive stance with 5/5 defiance.) With fiery shield you probably want to cast at least 3 demo shouts before you start spamming on your mages.
Its not the mages that take aggro, its the warlock with Hellfire. or suicide fire as it should be called. It would appear a PW:S on the lock helps to mitigate quite some damage from the spell itself, meaning by the time he pulls aggro, there is still enough of a buffer for the priest to keep him topped up for a few seconds with Flash Heal.

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Use greater heal, not flash heal, heal your tank to conserve mana. Greater heal with talents is much more efficient.

Your priest should be spec'd like this and working towards 3/3 meditation.
Your warrior should be spec'd like this and working towards imp. demo shout and piercing howl.
I'll probably have to respec the priest in that case, my warrior spec is very similar.

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Also, you get a new rank of demo shout at 32 which should increase your TPS.
https://classic.wowhead.com/guides/t...values-warrior
yeah, Ive seen this and im looking forward to it, it has to be said!

Thanks for all the advice. I'll concentrate a little less on the big pulls and just try to grind a bit more gear for the warrior to mitigate some more damage.