WPvP 10man alliance group -> horde dominated server

[Kraxx]

Hi,
do you have any tips/ideas for a good 10man alliance group for world pvp?


Nearly every PvP-server in EU is horde dominated. That means it could be great fun to have a viable 10man alliance PvP group an such a server.

My tactic will be to kill smaller groups (up to 5) and then change the location. Otherwise I will be outnumbered in a few minutes (call for help in chat).
I thought about a team of 2 pally healer and 8 warlocks. 8 doting warlocks should kill things very fast and the survivability of warlocks(soullink) and pallys is great.I also considered 10 dwarf rogues but they are squishy as hell and one well-geared warrior will have the potential to wreck my whole team.

My biggest concerns with alliance fraction are:
- very fast outnumbered by horde
- shamans can do serious aoe-damage to a multibox-team if you compare it, paladins on alliance are a joke...
- ud fear-racial
- ud fear-racial
- ud fear-racial

Do you think it will be fun or a pain in the a.... to have a 10man alliance group on an horde dominated pvp server?
Remark: I will mostly level all chars by dungeon grinding so being ganked while questing will not be a big issue.

Thanks

[Baltyre]

Or just go with us on Zandalar Tribe EU, we are a guild of boxer on Horde side and the server is alliance dominated (not so heavy, like 60/40).
We need people to secure raids

[Hiddenbrom]

That's what my ultimate goal is, I already have 10 accounts but realized too late it is a pain to level them.. Getting only 18 exp per kill in dungeons..
Also we seriously lack an aoe skill like Shamans have.. If you have an idea for quick aoe burst as alliance I'm all ears.

Or just go with us on Zandalar Tribe EU, we are a guild of boxer on Horde side and the server is alliance dominated (not so heavy, like 60/40).
We need people to secure raids

I may be interested on that.. What is your ingame name?

[Baltyre]

I may be interested on that.. What is your ingame name?

Ravno, but i'm not the guild master, it's Stridsberg. We have a discord here : https://discord.gg/VTBSKc
Or you can /who Overkill in game and wisp one of the member of the guild.

[Peregrine]

Your best option is 5x mages paired with 5x discs or 8x mages paired with 2x disc. I'd consider 5x warrior paired with 5x paladins but warriors got 0 mobility as main problem.

8x mages can devour 50 people in 3 gcd as there is no cap on aoe in classic, it is extremely best setup apart locks tbh in classic only limited by mana. I'd go gnome for 5% more int as well. Can also go for blastwave setup as well. Warlocks are good but can't burst large groups due to no aoe. As lock pally setup on the lv 30+ it's really easy to level due to hellfire setup being non interrupted from pally and lock talents.

Since horde has only 1 dispeller shodun't beissue but do know there is cap of 16 dots in classic and 8 locks can can only do agony plus corruption and your cap is full.

Overall, locks are best for smaller group i think and mages are better for groups of 6+ and above.

[Hiddenbrom]

Your best option is 5x mages paired with 5x discs or 8x mages paired with 2x disc. I'd consider 5x warrior paired with 5x paladins but warriors got 0 mobility as main problem.

8x mages can devour 50 people in 3 gcd as there is no cap on aoe in classic, it is extremely best setup apart locks tbh in classic only limited by mana. I'd go gnome for 5% more int as well. Can also go for blastwave setup as well. Warlocks are good but can't burst large groups due to no aoe. As lock pally setup on the lv 30+ it's really easy to level due to hellfire setup being non interrupted from pally and lock talents.

Since horde has only 1 dispeller shodun't beissue but do know there is cap of 16 dots in classic and 8 locks can can only do agony plus corruption and your cap is full.

Overall, locks are best for smaller group i think and mages are better for groups of 6+ and above.

How would you correctly aim all your mages AoE like Blizzard without losing too much time? I'm running 5x mages at the moment and that is a major issue for me, so much that now I just use a macro to cast on self.

[Apatheist]

How would you correctly aim all your mages AoE like Blizzard without losing too much time? I'm running 5x mages at the moment and that is a major issue for me, so much that now I just use a macro to cast on self.

Don't use blizzard in PvP except maybe rank 1 to try getting a rogue out of stealth.

Just spam arcane explosion or cycle frost nova and then CoC for burst. Arcane explosion is much higher DPS than blizzard, can be cast while moving and can't be interrupted.

[Peregrine]

Don't use blizzard in PvP except maybe rank 1 to try getting a rogue out of stealth.

Just spam arcane explosion or cycle frost nova and then CoC for burst. Arcane explosion is much higher DPS than blizzard, can be cast while moving and can't be interrupted.

Apatheist got it right. Additionall, you can go arcane power and PI if you run power infusion and do 50% more dmg on any spell. You can also go blastwave paired with arcane explosion too but Arcane explosion is the best spell in game with stacked mages. I mean, with descentish spell power it can hit for 600,700 per application. Given that most classes have 4k hp (with solid gear) you can kill them in 1 gcd, perhaps 2.

You blink to people arcane explosion>gg. For single targets you can arcane missles, fireblast if they are far away or scorch.

[Kraxx]

Your best option is 5x mages paired with 5x discs or 8x mages paired with 2x disc. I'd consider 5x warrior paired with 5x paladins but warriors got 0 mobility as main problem.

Thank you - I really consider to go with 8 mages and 2 priests now.

Are 8 mages with pre-raid BIS gear still able to do serious damage when a lot of players will have T1,2,3?
The problem on a horde dominated server will be that there will not be a lot of PUG-raids. So it will be difficult to get some raid-gear for the mages.

[Peregrine]

if you have 250-300 spell power on mages (doable) your arcane explosion will hit for 350 roughly and will crit for 500,500x 8>4k>bis players having 5.5k in p5/6 non buffed.

So you're loooking at 1shot with 1 gcd, nothing will most likely survive 2 gcds. Especially, if your priest have holy nova as well which adds dmg and in ends turns non crit around 2500 so 2 gcd>wipe entire raids pretty much.

Main problem is managing mages but given that you do so much damage nothing will pose a problem apart soul link warlocks and even they will die to extra gcd(3 gcd). If you run arcane power and later on the zandalari trinkets (will take some time to get it, the bonus part on your setup is that you can solo anything given the tank due to ignite stack (8 mages can kill pretty much anything really fast due to pre pull pyroblast>arcane power presence of mind pyroblast/scorch and then fireball spam ), and you got 2 healers for aoe healing your mages and dispell, you got curse insta dispell. So you can literally do any raid given proper setup on your own (you still need 40 people).

Pvp wise, you can run arcane fire and then have ignite lower cd on fireblast, arcane missles for long range targets, instant pyros (2 pyros is enough to kill something, so you run 4x different keybinds for 4 targets to die instantly), you got aoe heaing so that's not probs and you can always run stun for pvp stuns (priest swp, mage stun on fire).

Plenty of opportunities. Given the mages leveling, it should take you 12 days to reach 60 on one team if you play few hours per day. (5-6). Mages leveling is such a joke and at 55 you can just grab both teams and LBRS/UBRS.

Overall, that setup should wreck anything in few seconds: ) Sucks I don't have money to run 10 accounts. GL.