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    Default A word of caution for those using instance reset method

    Hi all,

    I just watched this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9z6DjWcgIU

    Its so disheartening seeing this happening. I have been wondering why prices are so low and there are so many epics in AH. Now I know why. Seems like a massive ban hammer is coming. Th economy is in ruin. I hope the damage is not irreversible. Apparently people have been farming raid boses/dungeon BIS over and over again!

    My suggestion is, dont reset instances by inviting another toon , converting to raid and reloging. Just in case. I'm worried that we may be flagged for abusing the layering system. I just dont think its worth it to risk it at the moment.
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    No need to watch a 16-minute video—link to the reddit thread for easy reading.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/...yeringexploit/

    Also:

    https://classic.wowhead.com/news=295...ng-punishments
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiRai View Post
    No need to watch a 16-minute video—link to the reddit thread for easy reading.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/...yeringexploit/
    Thanks for the link Mirai!

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    The reset method has nothing to do with layering. I wouldn't worry about that since literally everyone does that. The people that will be punished will be people who blatantly abused it, especially the people killing multiple MC bosses within a day.

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    It doesn't seem to me like using this method to reset dungeons would be ban-worthy but who knows? Not worth risking your accounts over until you see how Blizzard handles it. They'll probably just issue a hotfix and then ban the people who intentionally abused it to farm raids.

    Personally, I think banning anybody over this would be pretty lame from Blizzards part. Blizzard should have tested this stuff before implementing a mechanic that none of the players wanted in the first place. Using layering to farm/quest was so commonplace they had to add a cooldown. Why is it a surprise that people would also used it to farm raids? If it's not bannable to use to your advantage in the open world, it shouldn't be bannable in raids. Blizzard only have themselves to blame for their own poor quality control and lack of beta testing at 60.

    Apparently Blizzard have already issued a statement/fix.

    We’ve recently become aware of a bug that could be exploited to allow instanced encounters to be completed repeatedly. We have developed a fix for the issue, and we are in the process of deploying it worldwide.

    Realm restarts are scheduled for 3:00 a.m. PDT (6:00 a.m. EDT) in order to apply this fix.

    As soon as possible, we will identify those who knowingly abused this bug in exploitative manner. We will then take appropriate punitive measures.

    As a reminder, Blizzard’s End User License Agreement 2 defines cheats as “methods not expressly authorized by Blizzard, influencing and/or facilitating the gameplay, including exploits of any in-game bugs, and thereby granting you and/or any other user an advantage over other players not using such methods.”

    As always, thank you for your feedback on this matter.
    https://classic.wowhead.com/news=295...hments?webhook

    Unsure if the fix will prevent resetting instances in dungeons or if they've only fixed raids resetting? Somebody will have to test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apatheist View Post
    It doesn't seem to me like using this method to reset dungeons would be ban-worthy but who knows? Not worth risking your accounts over until you see how Blizzard handles it. They'll probably just issue a hotfix and then ban the people who intentionally abused it to farm raids.

    Personally, I think banning anybody over this would be pretty lame from Blizzards part. Blizzard should have tested this stuff before implementing a mechanic that none of the players wanted in the first place. Using layering to farm/quest was so commonplace they had to add a cooldown. Why is it a surprise that people would also used it to farm raids? If it's not bannable to use to your advantage in the open world, it shouldn't be bannable in raids. Blizzard only have themselves to blame for their own poor quality control and lack of beta testing at 60.

    Apparently Blizzard have already issued a statement/fix.


    https://classic.wowhead.com/news=295...hments?webhook

    Unsure if the fix will prevent resetting instances in dungeons or if they've only fixed raids resetting? Somebody will have to test.
    Do a quick mental exercise there... What’s the difference between an exploit and clever use of game mechanics.

    And to further that, saying blizzard shouldn’t ban people because they didn’t fix it... is like saying... I know it was yours but if you didn’t want me to steal it you should have locked it in the bank.

    An exploit is a straight up game breaking mechanic that you have instigate yourself, clever use of game mechanics is stacking up in a dead zone that wasn’t intended to be a dead zone in order to avoid a boss mechanic.
    if you by your actions have to cause an event through your manipulation, ya... that ban hammer is coming hard and fast.

    look at what they did to guilds who used to go into MC and try to call up if a loot item to see if it was going to drop in the same raid. And all they were doing was looking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apatheist View Post
    Personally, I think banning anybody over this would be pretty lame from Blizzards part. Blizzard should have tested this stuff before implementing a mechanic that none of the players wanted in the first place.
    If you found a bug in the website of a bank, and then proceeded to take advantage of it to further increase your wealth, should they not punish you after finding out, or should you get to keep the money because it was their fault and they "should have tested this stuff?"

    Now, before someone argues that breaking the law of the country you live in and breaking the rules of a game you play are, in this analogy, different, I disagree. In my opinion, irregardless of the severity of damage caused and the possible punishment received, you are knowingly exploiting a bug, flaw, loophole, etc. in "the system," and by voluntarily participating in it, you open yourself up for punishment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apatheist View Post
    If it's not bannable to use to your advantage in the open world, it shouldn't be bannable in raids. Blizzard only have themselves to blame for their own poor quality control and lack of beta testing at 60.
    Why are you labeling this as an exploit specific to level 60? In reference to this topic, what would testing at level 60 have revealed that testing at level 20 didn't, since this particular issue can be used in any dungeon, at any level? With thousands of players in the beta, no one who found this exploit stepped forward to report it, because if they had, then this would've been fixed long ago.

    So, whose fault is it, really? Is it Blizzard's fault for not inviting more players? Would several more thousand players have found, and publicly shared, this exploit, had they found it? How does Blizzard know which players are not only good bug testers, but also honest people?

    The above questions cannot be realistically answered, and because of that, the onus falls upon the player to not be a shitty person. If you are willing to be a shitty person—either in the real world or a virtual game world—you can, and should, expect that there are consequences to your actions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiRai View Post
    Why are you labeling this as an exploit specific to level 60? In reference to this topic, what would testing at level 60 have revealed that testing at level 20 didn't, since this particular issue can be used in any dungeon, at any level? With thousands of players in the beta, no one who found this exploit stepped forward to report it, because if they had, then this would've been fixed long ago..
    As Blizzard has stated, it's the result matters. The fact that you could do this to reset instances was widely known and used during beta and discussed publicly. Blizzard only seemed to have an issue with it when they realized it could be used to reset raids.

    I guess I don't have an issue with penalizing people who used this to reset raids. That does seem deliberately exploitative. Myself and many others have been using this method to reset dungeons conveniently so we don't have to hearth or spirit rez. This offers no real gain other than convenience and if my accounts were to be suspended (unlikely, based on Blizzards statement) as part of a blanket ruling I'd be pretty annoyed.
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    Since the exploit is basically the same thing as duping (although a little different) I think it should be a perma ban. At first I though a few months ban and all items and gold removed would be enough but it is so severe.

    I think they should have to track all interactions with the characters also, someone could have used it to farm 100k gold then stash it on their alt, or stored hundreds of recipes away on some other characters.

    The ones that used it to get raid gear should ofcourse be in the biggest trouble, but I think anyone that used it more than once should be severely punished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apatheist View Post
    The fact that you could do this to reset instances was widely known and used during beta and discussed publicly.
    I don't think we're discussing the same thing here...

    There is an exploit where you can "respawn" a boss right in front of you by abusing the layering system, which, from the instructions I've seen floating around the internet, is more involved than resetting a dungeon. You can literally stay locked inside of a boss room and farm them non-stop, without having to re-clear anything leading up to them—just pick the boss that drops the thing you want, farm them endlessly until they do, and then move onto the next.
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