How's Everyone Progressing so Far and What's Your Group Comp?

[Apatheist]

I finished my grind.

Grats!

Also curious how you've found dungeons so far. Have you attempted any of the end-game dungeons like Scholo or LBRS yet?

[Vipeax]

I have been farming LBRS all the time 56-60.

[Andreauk]

Arcane and holy.

I read that people like to use a Locks eye to pull then aoe with 4 mages using Blizzard in pugs.. no healer needed.. does Blizzard do more dps that Arcane expolsion?

Hmmn I wonder if it's more mana efficient?

https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=10187/blizzard

https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=10...cane-explosion

[Vipeax]

The idea is that stuff dies before Blizzard is relevant and kiting with Blizzard is easy when you play 4 mages separate.

[Apatheist]

I read that people like to use a Locks eye to pull then aoe with 4 mages using Blizzard in pugs.. no healer needed.. does Blizzard do more dps that Arcane expolsion?

Hmmn I wonder if it's more mana efficient?

Arcane explosion does more DPS but blizzard provides an AE snare when talented. People use blizzard to snare the mobs so they can avoid being hit.

I have been farming LBRS all the time 56-60.

Including the bosses? That's pretty impressive. I would have thought there'd be some bosses in the 55+ dungeons that would be pretty rough without a tank.

[Andreauk]

Ah ok thanks

How would it be with 5 Arcane mages then?

[Vipeax]

Arcane explosion does more DPS but blizzard provides an AE snare when talented. People use blizzard to snare the mobs so they can avoid being hit.



Including the bosses? That's pretty impressive. I would have thought there'd be some bosses in the 55+ dungeons that would be pretty rough without a tank.

Timmy in Scholomance hits hard when he enrages. That is not doable with 5 clothies.

[nodoze]

Timmy in Scholomance hits hard when he enrages. That is not doable with 5 clothies.

If you had done Warlock+3M+P instead of 4M+P do you think a Warlock Pet (with a dedicated Healer) could Tank Timmy while you DPS from the Mages & Warlock?

[Apatheist]

If you had done Warlock+3M+P instead of 4M+P do you think a Warlock Pet (with a dedicated Healer) could Tank Timmy while you DPS from the Mages & Warlock?

Voidwalkers have about the same armor value as a plate wearer plus 10% physical mitigation if talented. Should be plenty of EH to tank any 5man boss and some raids.

The problem is threat. I've read a lot of complaints on the forum that you can pull off the voidwalker with dots/wand alone. I'm not sure about the people posting those comments though. Half of them probably don't have 3/3 improved voidwalker trained and the other half probably don't know you have to buy upgrades to pet skills.

Needs proper testing.

[Mercbeast]

Arcane Explosion is a relatively unique spell in WoW. It's about as close to zero sum as you get. If Arcane explosion is enough to kill, it's worth it, if it's not, it's basically useless. By this I mean, if you stack enough mages to where you can frag a mob out, you can frag out any number of similar HP level mobs at once, and you can do it quickly. Which means, that often times arcane explosion is situational at best for a lone or even duo of mages, but get 3, 4, or as the people who were raiding instances before the nerf, 5-8 mages, and suddenly you are able to kill 20-30 or even entire instances in a single pull. It's not terribly mana efficient, and this is why it's usually not the most effective way to spend mana for a lone mage. However, if you got enough to kill with it, then you can kill everything with it, at once.

Other AOE's, tend to be slower and more efficient, or simply not viable like Holy Nova. Physical aoe is also typically hit capped, to just a few mobs. Which is why stacking mages is basically broken as a leveling mechanic. They are playing by different rules than everyone else