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    Lightbulb DynamicBoxer wow addon for ISBoxer: Dynamic Teams and more...

    DynamicBoxer has graduated from alpha/beta now and I will use this thread to keep folks updated (you can also ask questions etc here as well)


    Q: What does it do ?
    A:
    The core concept is to let you start isboxer/innerspace based on a layout (say 5 boxing with slot 2 healer and vfx in 1) once and then change which characters are actually in windows 1... N at will/whim.

    It also works for brand new characters (making a new cool 5 Void Elf, team, just do it, no need to go back to windows)

    Q: Why is that useful?
    A:
    Because you save time and only need a handful of core teams and "virtual"/role based characters in isboxer instead of dozens

    Q: What else does it do ?
    A:
    A bunch of small utility things (and I can add more of you ask):
    - It syncs up automatically your EMA team, in the order of the slots (no more "can't push settings" ever)
    - It (optionally) auto invites your team
    - It (optionally) auto converts to raid as needed, making for super fast 6+ team assembly
    - Has extensive mouse over tooltips in the addon options and key bindings sections to let you discover the features
    - It lets you keep your party/raid frames always in the same order

    Q: How big/complicated is the setup?
    A:
    Turn on broadcasting and 3 keystrokes: Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, Enter
    do that once, and you're done forever, even if you login 100 different teams!

    Q: Does it work cross realm ?
    A:
    Yes since 1.6 and that makes it a big time saver if you need to visit a lot of realms.
    In that setup I recommend you don't change the slot1 but change the other slot(s) and set the auto invite to say slot 2 so everyone phases to slot 2's realm (the changing realm)


    Q: I prefer to watch videos than read a wall of text !
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    That's not a question, but a statement You can watch this mini series:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TseQ...5cB1VA&index=1

    Q: Do you have a demo?
    A:

    Yes (though it's a bit old, doesn't show the config UI or new commands, etc... and volume is low
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWGP...L3O12bIE5cB1VA

    Q: Is there anything that won't work with it but would work with pure isboxer team reload/change ?
    A:

    First if you log the original team in, you get the exact same functionality + fast auto invite, auto raid conversion if needed/enabled, auto EMA team sync etc... so it's only additive feature wise, you don't loose anything

    But yes, if you have a pro setup and try to swap say a Tank for a Healer in the same slot, DynamicBoxer will still remap the macros but they will be your Tank-style actions and thus not likely to be as helpful to your newly slotted Healer; yet if you you just need a quick swap in/out to collect some item, do a quest or anything of that sort, it will still save time and be functional (assist, broadcast, follow etc...), just don't go and do a Mythic + 20 with that setup :-)

    Q: Does it/will it work with Classic ?
    A:

    Yes ! and it's great to get going even if you don't have characters created yet!

    Q: I'm sold (or willing to try it), where do I get it?
    A:

    Wherever you like get your wow addons usually, typically on curse/twitch app or wow interface (search for "DynamicBoxer" with no space):

    https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/dynamicboxer
    https://www.wowinterface.com/downloa...amicBoxer.html

    ps: "sold" for free and opensource (it's on github)


    Q: How do I ask more questions?

    A:
    Ask here or catch me on discord: https://discord.gg/zx77nr2
    Last edited by Moorea : 10-06-2019 at 06:39 PM Reason: grammar
    5,8 boxing wow with DynamicBoxer for isboxer, give it a try!
    (was 8 Boxing Wow with HotKeyNet)
    Join many boxers playing Classic on US PvP Alliance: <Epic>@Blaumeux
    Streaming on twitch.tv/MooreaTv

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    Additional info (and placeholder/reserved for edits / first post overflowing)

    Release (currently v1.9.8 as of this last update) history with release notes:

    https://github.com/mooreatv/DynamicBoxer/releases

    What is being worked on:

    https://github.com/mooreatv/DynamicBoxer/issues

    If you don't have a github account you can also open issues on

    https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addon...icboxer/issues

    instead (or again, here or message me or catch me on discord)
    Last edited by Moorea : 07-15-2019 at 04:30 AM Reason: adding links, formatting
    5,8 boxing wow with DynamicBoxer for isboxer, give it a try!
    (was 8 Boxing Wow with HotKeyNet)
    Join many boxers playing Classic on US PvP Alliance: <Epic>@Blaumeux
    Streaming on twitch.tv/MooreaTv

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    I've been using DynamicBoxer for several weeks.
    This addon has changed the way I play WOW. Before the addon, I couldn't easily change one slot to another toon. I could do it, but follow wouldn't work, assist, etc. unless I change ISBoxer config.

    The addon makes changing team members or doing cross realm teams extremely easy.
    All setup is done in wow and most of it is automatic: you don't have to do anything.

    With DynamicBoxer, I don't have to change ISBoxer config just to play with different toons.
    To group up with a completely different team, I just log out and back into the correct toons.
    To change one toon, I log off one toon and back into the correct one.
    When things don't go the way they should, it is a simple command with copy, paste, enter and things are back to working.

    I play with 5 man teams. Doing Islands meant I either did one toon twice or just didn't run it with 2 of the toons. Now I can cycle through different toons on different teams.
    I would encourage multiboxers who use ISBoxer to give this a try. You only need to setup one Character Set in ISBoxer instead of one per team.

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    One new feature in 1.9.5: Slot Info !
    Sometimes you don't remember which toon/realm is where, this helps (it's transient, doesn't stay in your face all the time don't worry):

    5,8 boxing wow with DynamicBoxer for isboxer, give it a try!
    (was 8 Boxing Wow with HotKeyNet)
    Join many boxers playing Classic on US PvP Alliance: <Epic>@Blaumeux
    Streaming on twitch.tv/MooreaTv

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    yeah same here I been using it for leveling off toons and its nice and easy making different teams on the fly.

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    Love this! Works great! Seems like somthing that should be built into isboxer! Thank you!
    Currently 5 Boxing 5 Protection Paladins on Whisperwind Alliance
    The Power of Five!!! ( short video )

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    Seems like somthing that should be built into isboxer!
    I'm going to address this here really quick.

    We're happy to have people working on new and useful stuff for ISBoxer, and we're happy that some of you like those things. That's all well and good. However, there's a major issue with the timing here, and this has already been discussed with Moorea. Frankly, we could have used this kind of effort for ISB1 like 5 years ago, but at this point the "let's add new WoW-specific things to officially support in ISBoxer 1" ship has already set sail.

    All new ISBoxer development efforts (beyond maintenance items) are focusing on ISBoxer 2, which at this point is almost ready for an open beta -- the next wave of Alpha testers may be the last before beta. ISBoxer 2's Module system is designed to allow developers like Moorea to build things like Dynamic Boxer into ISBoxer 2. I fully understand that some of you will continue using ISBoxer 1 for at least some time after ISBoxer 2 is available, and of course you're welcome to stick with it as long as you like.

    So, while I do not want to discourage Moorea from developing and sharing Dynamic Boxer, nor discourage any of you from using and enjoying it, it is not something we expect to promote or officially support in ISBoxer 1.








    Also, to get what most of you said you like from Dynamic Boxer, you can just switch the Follow/Assist Mode option to not use the WoW Macro method. You don't have to fill in character names in ISBoxer at all, you can type in "wow 1" "wow 2" "wow 3" and so on. Set up the "Target Slot" follow/assist method, party up and switch in whatever characters you want. This is how people set up ISBoxer for every other game, and you can do it with WoW!
    Last edited by Lax : 07-14-2019 at 10:35 AM
    Lax
    Author of ISBoxer
    Video: ISBoxer Quick Start

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lax View Post
    Also, to get what most of you said you like from Dynamic Boxer, you can just switch the Follow/Assist Mode option to not use the WoW Macro method. You don't have to fill in character names in ISBoxer at all, you can type in "wow 1" "wow 2" "wow 3" and so on. Set up the "Target Slot" follow/assist method, party up and switch in whatever characters you want. This is how people set up ISBoxer for every other game, and you can do it with WoW!
    I tried this to see what it does, not counting that you get the "Character in wrong window" dialog, you can't invite your team automatically and countless features you get with a full wow macro that standard isboxer gives you (and dynamicboxer rewrites to match the actual team) etc... but also, hitting the follow key says "I need a target" or "invalid target" and that's it.. am I doing something wrong ? (how can it work/know in game which character to follow?)

    I'll get to ISBoxer2 soon [but my priority was to get helpful stuff working before 8.2 and classic, something I and others can use today]

    I don't need much from isboxer (2) to streamline dynamicboxer and make it full featured: 2 secure random numbers, ideally using variables everywhere instead of pre substituted macros, and a full lua struct of the pro setup (using said variables)
    5,8 boxing wow with DynamicBoxer for isboxer, give it a try!
    (was 8 Boxing Wow with HotKeyNet)
    Join many boxers playing Classic on US PvP Alliance: <Epic>@Blaumeux
    Streaming on twitch.tv/MooreaTv

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    I tried this to see what it does, not counting that you get the "Character in wrong window" dialog
    Put a * in the "Actual character name" box.


    you can't invite your team automatically and countless features you get with a full wow macro that standard isboxer gives you
    Sorry, I was only covering "what most of you said you like from Dynamic Boxer". Like, in this thread. Playing 5 toons, logging in to different teams without creating any characters first, etc -- no macros required at all for that.

    hitting the follow key says "I need a target" or "invalid target" and that's it.. am I doing something wrong ?
    Yep, if hitting the follow key does something other than follow, you've probably missed something.

    (how can it work/know in game which character to follow?)
    http://isboxer.com/wiki/Follow/Assist_Mode

    How it knows depends on which Follow/Assist Mode you select. They are actually fairly simple. The mode I mentioned above would press one of the Party Targeting Hotkeys (F2 F3 F4 F5), followed by "Follow Target" or "Assist Target".

    If you've not grouped up, then Party Targeting is not going to target anyone, and will say you need a target (etc).




    I don't need much from isboxer (2) to streamline dynamicboxer and make it full featured: 2 secure random numbers, ideally using variables everywhere instead of pre substituted macros, and a full lua struct of the pro setup (using said variables)
    This particular conversation does not belong in this thread.

    ISBoxer 2 Modules can literally program parts of the ISBoxer 2 Launcher -- using Lua -- and place things into the WoW Addon as it is being generated. If you want "a full lua struct" of something -- I assume you want a Lua table populated with some data (unspecified parts "of the pro setup") in the generated WoW Addon -- your Module can access the data via ISBoxer 2's API, and produce the table you want in the WoW Addon.

    But you're probably going to need to think about this "full lua struct of the pro setup" thing differently.
    Lax
    Author of ISBoxer
    Video: ISBoxer Quick Start

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    /e I had missed the previous reply as I got distracted with other things. Thought I'd leave the below here anyway, as it may provide something useful.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moorea View Post
    not counting that you get the "Character in wrong window" dialog
    This is easily fixed by not using the ISBoxer Addon, because the follow/assist method no longer requires it. Of course, if you are using the Game Helpers and WoW Macro support for other things (like other WoW macros using other ISBoxer features - because otherwise you could just create them in game), then it all becomes a bit tedious to use a different Follow/Assist method, and yes, you would probably stick with the ISBoxer Addon, and thus the ISBoxer follow/assist macros. As has been explained before, if that is the case, then there are alternative methods that do not require DynamicBoxer to make it all work for team switching, but then again DynamicBoxer does provide additional flexibility that those other methods may not. It also does provide some restrictions in certain configurations used in ISBoxer, and as discussed previously, the effort in trying to rejig ISBoxer1 to get that to all work nicely is not happening as effort is currently focused elsewhere on a replacement for ISBoxer1.


    Quote Originally Posted by Moorea View Post
    you can't invite your team automatically
    You can, you just have to configure a setup that works for your game, much like all the other poor cousins who aren't playing WoW. One is not provided because they can be a bit game specific (although interestingly, most would probably work with a fairly generic poke something into chat method). WoW is quite special and accommodating to multiboxing in many ways that a lot of people don't realise, this one particular thing is one of those things, and yes, it is quite nice, even if you don't have to do it a lot of the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moorea View Post
    and countless features you get with a full wow macro that standard isboxer gives you (and dynamicboxer rewrites to match the actual team) etc...
    Yes, WoW has a relatively open interface to do much stuff. You are a bunch of lucky bastards (in the nicest possible way ).

    Quote Originally Posted by Moorea View Post
    but also, hitting the follow key says "I need a target" or "invalid target" and that's it.. am I doing something wrong ? (how can it work/know in game which character to follow?)
    Chances are, you don't have a target. Now this does depend a lot on what other Follow/Assist method you chose, but if you chose the "Target Slot, Follow/Assist Target" method, then If you scan through the mapped keys in the chain, the first step of the Target Slot, Follow Target mapped key, runs a Variable Keystroke, which on each slot of the character set is mapped to the F1 to F5 keys (assuming a 5 man team). In game, these are usually bound to the Target Party Member 1..5 options, but tend to get unbound by those lucky enough to not need them.
    Last edited by mbox_bob : 07-14-2019 at 11:55 PM Reason: Second..... and spelling

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