Comparison of squads for 5 man dungeons

[Mercbeast]

I'll be doing some sort of melee cleave, but my main might be a hunter. Melee cleave is just so much more efficient in vanilla than a caster group until Dire Maul is implemented, where good CC play finally becomes necessary.

[Acidburning]

the melee cleave video helped finalize my first team thoughts. I am going with:

Warrior, Warrior, Rogue, Shaman, and Priest.

[Gala]

In case of a melee cleave with +3 warriors, I'm curious how you guys are planing to manage the dmg rotation on multiple warriors in terms of rage.
As far as I know the aoe rotation of a fury warrior looks smth like: Whirlwind > Bloodthirst > Cleave
WW requires 25 rage, BT 30 rage and CL 20 rage.
I can't think of any way to set a single button smash mapped key up that would execute those 3 abilitys in the mentioned priority. The warrior that has aggro might have the rage to to execute WW, BT and CL in between but the other warriors would most likely rage starve. They would sink all their rage on CL and don't have anything left when the other abilitys are off CD. Having one DPS key for WW and BT and a second one for CL also doesn't sound very effective. Some warriors would have enough rage for CL while other warriors don't. It seems to me like it's not possible to manage a flawless DPS rotation on multiple warriors.

How do you intend to set the DPS rotation on multiple warriors up?

[boneapetight]

How do you intend to set the DPS rotation on multiple warriors up?

I have been struggling with this same issue. I planned on running a melee cleave team after testing some mixed teams with mages which I originally believed would be the most efficient. My issue is with doing solid DPS on my warriors and rogue. Everyone seems to have this warrior trick down and maybe I'm missing the rotation?

I also need to decide if the Prot Pally is the best choice or if I should just scrap the second Paladin and go 3rd warrior or maybe druid tank for the LoTP bonus.

[Gala]

Main issue with the warri rota is that cleave and heroic strike are rage dump abilitys. So with multiple warriors some will have the rage for CL/HS while others rage starve when these abilitys are used.
Not sure if there is a solution to that...

[Apatheist]

Main issue with the warri rota is that cleave and heroic strike are rage dump abilitys. So with multiple warriors some will have the rage for CL/HS while others rage starve when these abilitys are used.
Not sure if there is a solution to that...

I can think of a few ways to handle heroic strike and cleave. None of them will be flawless but they should be good enough for grinding dungeons.

A two step ISB action with a castsequence macro would be the simplest option.

Step 1
#showtooltip
/cast [nostance:1] Battle Stance
/cast Overpower

Step 2
#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=6/combat Mortal Strike, !Heroic Strike

Haven't tested with the new API but this should automatically use overpower whenever it procs, pool rage for MS/BT and then use one cleave or heroic strike while your primary skill is on cooldown. If you get to a point where you're frequently pooling too much rage you could add another HS to the castsequence. It depends on your gear level and weapon.

[Hksix]

I can think of a few ways to handle heroic strike and cleave. None of them will be flawless but they should be good enough for grinding dungeons.

A two step ISB action with a castsequence macro would be the simplest option.

Step 1
#showtooltip
/cast [nostance:1] Battle Stance
/cast Overpower

Step 2
#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=6/combat Mortal Strike, !Heroic Strike

Haven't tested with the new API but this should automatically use overpower whenever it procs, pool rage for MS/BT and then use one cleave or heroic strike while your primary skill is on cooldown. If you get to a point where you're frequently pooling too much rage you could add another HS to the castsequence. It depends on your gear level and weapon.

After thinking about it I see 2 potential problems with this.

1.) if you are only generating minimal rage then you are losing dps by forcing a heroic strike instead of waiting to MS again. Heroic strike use means less white hits = less rage coming in = less damage going out, which is why at higher levels it’s only used when you have excess rage
2.) the other problem is the opposite. If you are getting too much rage then you’ll need to bind heroic strike separately because you can’t dump enough rage as you want. I don’t see this being as big of an issue as the first one

[Apatheist]

48 minutes for a single pack... I think I'd rather watch reruns of Ow My Balls.

True but the payoff is pretty huge. https://classic.wowhead.com/item=232...aced-servo-arm

2.8 Speed one handed mace that's pretty close to anything outside of KT weapons. Also not unique so you can DW them. The fact that you can solo farm these weapons is pretty ridiculous. MMO Players are a lot "wiser" than they were during vanilla. I suspect stuff like this will be common knowledge and we'll see a ton of players who have never even killed a Naxx boss running around with these equipped.

After thinking about it I see 2 potential problems with this.

That's why I mentioned you'd need to adjust the HS/cleave depending on your gear level. Your rage generation is dependent on how good your gear is. Better weapons generate more rage. Once you have two decent one handers and 8%+ hit you will almost always have at least enough rage to weave one cleave between whirlwinds or heroic strike between bloodthirsts. No solution is going to be perfect. That's the trade off when you box games. Your rotation is rarely going to be executed as flawlessly as a character being actively controlled.

In PvP I wouldn't bother with cleave or HS at all. I'd pool rage and actively MS/WW/execute on all characters for maximum burst.

[Acidburning]

True but the payoff is pretty huge. https://classic.wowhead.com/item=232...aced-servo-arm

2.8 Speed one handed mace that's pretty close to anything outside of KT weapons. Also not unique so you can DW them. The fact that you can solo farm these weapons is pretty ridiculous. MMO Players are a lot "wiser" than they were during vanilla. I suspect stuff like this will be common knowledge and we'll see a ton of players who have never even killed a Naxx boss running around with these equipped.

we gave 2 of these to our enh shammy. I main'd a priest in vanilla. Pretty fun to healbot him in bgs. I forgot about naxx trash farming. Thanks for the reminder :]

[Apatheist]

Some useful info here about resetting dungeons to farm/grind efficiently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuEzXay-PbA&t=550s