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    In end it is up to them, and while the BG follow can be understood if not condoned the world pvp follow I hope it will make it to live and be officially allowed (without going into cloak and daggger stuff).

    Should be fairly soon before this is leaked and Blizz gives us an official stance.

    If nothing else, we still have IWT (not ideal, but better then nothing).

    Keep ya hopes up!

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    i will keep u updated and players in beta know how to test if them strings was to show up then its likely follow will not work in pvp




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    Quote Originally Posted by ebony View Post
    here the commands if anyone like to test them there selfs

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    /run print( ERR_INVALID_FOLLOW_TARGET_PVP_COMBAT )
    /run print( ERR_INVALID_FOLLOW_TARGET )
    /run print(ERR_INVALID_FOLLOW_PVP_COMBAT )
    the middle one is what it says in Bg's as well as Trying to follow npcs/pets other faction etc.

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    I saw those strings as well in game when I tested. I am thinking that non-bg follow is still/will be enabled because it seems it was removed only for war mode. Classic has no war mode.

    /shrug

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    overall vanilla will still have less complains about pvp boxing imo. Its honestly not that good with no resilience gear and harder acess to quality pve/pvp gear you will have a bad time against aq/naxx/r12 geared ppl in later stages. Unless you join a hardcore pvp group solo with each toon you might have a hard time getting r13/14. And even if you have that gear you wont be as invincible as in other expansions.

    Quote Originally Posted by MiRai View Post
    However, with how several people have now said something along the lines of "KEEP THIS A SECRET," only reinforces the idea that you know it could just disappear in the blink of an eye with a quick hotfix.
    which would be a complete dick move after you farmed months in vanilla. But as i think of it, that company doesnt care anyway, maybe we should really try to get an answer from devs on that subject before ppl establish their pvp teams.
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    If they disable the pvp follow in the world, then I'll most likely go with the mixed team for solo dungeons and farming mats and playing the game on main character.

    Perhaps, as the Kruschpak said, we should ask Blizz directly the stance on the follow in world pvp so we can have a peace of mind.
    And ofcourse, then we can start planning ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat Tire View Post
    I am thinking that non-bg follow is still/will be enabled because it seems it was removed only for war mode.
    That's what I originally assumed but people were saying it was an independent change and had nothing to do with "warmode." I haven't played in several expansions so I have no idea.
    Quote Originally Posted by MiRai View Post
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    Just me typing too fast and not paying attention

    Follow existed in BG's during vanilla so the correct course of action if they're going to retain their purist ideology would be to allow it. I assumed they wouldn't previously, but if they're willing to revert one change there's a chance at least. We'll have to wait and see.

    Not a huge fan of BG's either way. World PvP is where it's at in classic.

    Then again, there's a chance not disabling follow in world PvP was just an oversight to begin with, I suppose.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kruschpakx4 View Post
    overall vanilla will still have less complains about pvp boxing imo. Its honestly not that good with no resilience gear and harder acess to quality pve/pvp gear you will have a bad time against aq/naxx/r12 geared ppl in later stages. Unless you join a hardcore pvp group solo with each toon you might have a hard time getting r13/14. And even if you have that gear you wont be as invincible as in other expansions.
    Yes and no. I definitely can't see myself ever getting R14 because I just can't grind BG's for 16+ hours per day and that's literally what you have to do. On the other hand, vanilla raids are relatively simple and with the population of classic servers I can see it being much easier to find a guild that raids 2/3 times per week and will clear AQ/Naxx so you'll get gear eventually.

    I'm pretty sure all classic raids are boxable to an extent. At the very least, if we have enough people boxing we should be able to clear quite a few bosses with 8*5 groups. We just need enough players that will actually stick with classic to roll on one server/faction together. Even grinding Naxx trash is profitable. There is a lot of good gear that drops including a super high DPS 1h mace, fire damage ring, plate spellpower gear, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kruschpakx4 View Post
    overall vanilla will still have less complains about pvp boxing imo. Its honestly not that good with no resilience gear and harder acess to quality pve/pvp gear you will have a bad time against aq/naxx/r12 geared ppl in later stages. Unless you join a hardcore pvp group solo with each toon you might have a hard time getting r13/14. And even if you have that gear you wont be as invincible as in other expansions.
    I was thinking the same thing, in that I would expect multiboxers to be much more of a glass cannon than anything else, at least, until you really had the proper gear, and that is going to take quite awhile to get. Not only that, but you can expect there to be a very high number of Warriors, Rogues, and Mages on those PvP realms, so, in theory, that's only going to add to stifle multiboxer effectiveness.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kruschpakx4 View Post
    which would be a complete dick move after you farmed months in vanilla. But as i think of it, that company doesnt care anyway, maybe we should really try to get an answer from devs on that subject before ppl establish their pvp teams.
    Well, /follow was blocked from use in battlegrounds in patch 5.2, so they certainly are willing to make a change like that in the middle of a timeline, rather than only at the beginning or end.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apatheist View Post
    That's what I originally assumed but people were saying it was an independent change and had nothing to do with "warmode." I haven't played in several expansions so I have no idea.

    Follow existed in BG's during vanilla so the correct course of action if they're going to retain their purist ideology would be to allow it. I assumed they wouldn't previously, but if they're willing to revert one change there's a chance at least. We'll have to wait and see.
    The current assumption is that those flags were removed along with the War Mode related API, and so it could've been an oversight in the process. As always, for everyone, I will continue to link my follow flowchart to show that the lack of /follow in PvP combat, in Retail, is not tied to War Mode.

    With that said, I will try to contact Blizzard directly to see if they can give me a clear answer as to what their plans are in this area, since opening a discussion on their general forum is just going to be a shit show and difficult to get a proper answer.
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    Can you test what happens with ITW + wand ? They stay at wand range ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baltyre View Post
    Can you test what happens with ITW + wand ? They stay at wand range ?
    I tested this way back in my Classic Demo multiboxing video - Every class moves into melee range, as it was back when IWT was implemented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiRai View Post
    The current assumption is that those flags were removed along with the War Mode related API, and so it could've been an oversight in the process.
    Sure but the decision to disable follow in world PvP combat was related to the introduction of War Mode, right? Perhaps Blizzard will reason that since there is no War Mode there is no need to reintroduce a change that isn't authentic to classic.

    Any chance is better than nothing, I guess.

    Also, you guys are only looking at half the picture when it comes to gearing. BiS geared characters do a lot of damage however it's actually much easier to deal with as a boxer than in more recent versions of the game that have healing reduction in PvP, PvP power and resilience (do those things even exist still in BFA? No idea.)

    I remember a BiS PvP geared character in MoP being nearly impossible to kill if you don't have some decent PvP power gear. In classic, gear just gives you more damage and HP. 5 Dungeon geared characters can still one shot a high warlord mage -- gear doesn't reduce the damage they take at all.

    If anything I'd say the lack of resilience-type stats helps us more than hurts us. Particularly if you're already playing a tanky composition of warriors, shamans, paladins or warlocks.
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