Generalisations in postings

[Draku]

People,

I keep reading that one of the 'cons' of using free tools is lack of support

If you want to try multiboxing with something free, be prepared to put a significant amount of setup into it, and have little to no developer support when you have problems. You get what you pay for.

I sort of feel the need to draw attention to the fact that users of HotKeyNet get an unbelievably high level of support. Not only does Freddie provide almost immediate help with configs, resolution of bugs, he also deals with requests for new features very rapidly (and robustly)

I didnt like the lack of trial/licensing policy so I found something else which I am very happy with. I certainly do not have to put up with lack of support

Regards,

[Poolboy]

Majority of software boxers use Keyclone I assume, therefore... majority of discussion around here is Keyclone related?

Why lately do the folks using stuff other than KC seem to be getting their backs up a little over what appears to be a lack of facetime?

I don't mean to be inflammatory in the least, honestly. I am sure this will spark big discussion. I use Keyclone myself, and as I said, I would bet my accounts that the majority of visitors here who software box do also. Nobody has ever said, that I can see, the other options are not viable.

The facts are though, that 99.9999999% of rob's users report near total satisfaction. Loudly. The folks who live on these boards happen to be chatty, and we love to give props to his awesome work.

He_Who_Never_Sleeps himself is around here a lot as well, and of course when somebody comes in off the street he'll steer them towards his product.

It just seems to me that if more people used the other options, and they were more active in their discussions the weight of this forum would naturally shift. But they don't I'm guessing... so the weight is naturally right where it belongs for now?

I'd hate to see Keyclone discussion handcuffed in order to appease the other lesser used apps and their users.

Edittuhd fer spulling.

[Draku]

Many apologies, my post must have been misleading.

Why lately do the folks using stuff other than KC seem to be getting their backs up a little over what appears to be a lack of facetime?

I wasn't complaining about lack of facetime, more about an unfair criticism of an alternative product.

I am sure this will spark big discussion.

I hope not

I'd hate to see Keyclone discussion handcuffed in order to appease the other lesser used apps and their users.

I wasn't suggesting we handcuff anyone, only that when providing props for Keyclone, we did not unfairly diss other apps.

Apologies again.........I am sure Keyclone is great......I am not sure that long drawn out discussions as to the licensing/charging policy is useful It is these threads I was suggesting that we stopped.......

[Khazrael]

Perhaps we need a sticky that describes why Keyclone charges and why there is no trial.

That seems like a bold statement to make, in my opinion. keyclone wrote the software, he charges for whatever reasons he decides to charge, and quite frankly owes no explanation to anybody for it. He's written a quality app, and gives quality service, regardless of if other programs do the same, it doesn't make him any less within his rights to charge a fee for his work.

I can't speak to the quality of the other apps you list, and I don't doubt that they are quality and have quality service, but that's their decision to do so. If they wish to give their time out for free, that's up to them, but it doesn't mean keyclone should have to do the same. When brought into the scope of the general costs of multiboxing, $20.00 is insignifigantly small, and quite frankly, I for one, am glad to give him back something for his work since it is such a great app rather than hoping I can just get a free ride and free support.

[Draku]

Argh.......I am sorry....no disprect to Keyclone meant AT ALL. I have edited my post to remove the suggestion of the Sticky.

Now...PLEASE.....All I am asking is that people take more care when commenting on the alternatives to Keyclone.

[Djarid]

Don't Worry Draku, I read it as you intended (I think).

I think most people consider AHK to be the free alternative, forgetting about Octopus and HotKeyNet both of which seem to get reasonable support (I have no first hand experience of either).

I have used AHK and keyclone and must say that the difference in ease of use and support is remarkable and may be why people who have gone the same route as me list the lack of support as a con.

[Draku]

Did I miss any? :P

DOH!!!! is this a joke?

Let me help

HotKeyNet - Free Software, Top Class Support, few users for WoW (or so it seems). Works Vista/XP . Robust, Very functional. Feels very lightweight in a good way Not enough documentation on how to use with games (eg WoW) However if you are looking to trial some software for free, I would guess someone could have it up and running with a basic setup in under 2 hours. (Obviously depends on person)

I use it extensively with 4 and 5boxing using 4 machines and 5 monitors (2xp and 2 vista) I have more than 100 keys that are setup handling movement (for spreading out)/macros/spells bound to keys etc
It has basic window manipulation (Which I don't use) Including (Moving, maximizing, minimizing changing focus etc)

[keyclone]

personally... when it comes to 'free' software that has no ads and no discernible means of income, i'm ALWAYS suspicious.

like "free" anti-virus software. sure, it's free.. and it SAYS it's being nice... but these are development efforts with people that like to eat... somehow they are making money. and in the case of "free" anti-virus.. my guess would be keyloggers, web trackers, or password thieves.

think about it... coding and support will easily take 100+ hrs/month... each month... are you willing to readily do that for free?

and that's why i charge. i don't work for free (well, sometimes... but rarely)... and i highly doubt anyone here would be willing to show up and do 100 hrs/month of work around my house each month... for free. hell, i doubt anyone would wash my car once a week for free.. yet, for some reason, people actually expect me to do that and more. just too funny.

[Draku]

I hoenstly thought that Hotkeynet and autohotkey were the same thing. My bad!

Lol....no problem.....I posted what I thought was a gentle point and ended up in a number of silly interactions......... I guess I am too biased in favour of HKN.......Freddie is a really nice guy who seems to enjoy developing and supporting his program. I took too much umbrage about the fact that a newcomer would assume that if he tried HKN he wouldn't get much support which is not the case. WHatever....I think I have made my point and I am going to fade into the background again.

[keyclone]

However if you are looking to trial some software for free, I would guess someone could have it up and running with a basic setup in under 2 hours

?( hours??!