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  1. #11

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    More of my own thoughts later in the expansion:

    Healer and tank should compliment each other.

    RSHM + Brew is excellent as RSHM brings a lot of utility, Brew brings the gap fillers such as a poison/disease dispel and a lot of mobility / stagger mechanic to smooth out healing.

    MW + BDK would also be good because this is the inverse. BDK brings tons of utility and MW brings mobility and the big tank cooldown.

    PROTW + RDRU will always be a good option.

    I don't know PROTP so well but I imagine the best healer for PROTP is MW.

    HPAL would probably want a tank that brings some mobility and big defensives and some utility so that sounds like PROTW.

  2. #12

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    I moved to resto shaman(thanks Ellay). I have tried all a little bit, none at the gear level my team is now (440ish). I find the shaman awesome. With riptide ( and the traits that make it better),healing rain/chain heal ).. fast cast surge combined with 3 spirit beasts heals and a paly tank that almost never needs a heal in normal content ( heals him self with HoP.). I have not played the monk much.. i want to try it eventually, but i have a hard to keeping up with more than one team right now.. too much content!
    Currently 5 Boxing 5 Protection Paladins on Whisperwind Alliance
    The Power of Five!!! ( short video )

  3. #13

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    The information is a bit skewed in favor of Resto Druid / Holy Paladin and it's not apples to apples but this gives you a high level overview of what works for comps based off everyones logs.

    https://bestkeystone.com/#/compositions

    Your able to sort by Tank / Healer and see how they all perform - what % the keys are successful... and yikes. After looking at the information the Prot Paladin is the worst matchup for a Resto Shaman. (maybe I need to rethink my comp?)
    .. looking further the Mistweaver Monk is the best healer for a Prot Paladin. (Based off of successful keys).

    HMM!

  4. #14

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellay View Post
    The information is a bit skewed in favor of Resto Druid / Holy Paladin and it's not apples to apples but this gives you a high level overview of what works for comps based off everyones logs.

    https://bestkeystone.com/#/compositions

    Your able to sort by Tank / Healer and see how they all perform - what % the keys are successful... and yikes. After looking at the information the Prot Paladin is the worst matchup for a Resto Shaman. (maybe I need to rethink my comp?)
    .. looking further the Mistweaver Monk is the best healer for a Prot Paladin. (Based off of successful keys).

    HMM!
    What is good for an individual healer in a group is not the same as what healer is best to multibox. i think thats the idea of this thread..no boxer ( unless they drive from their healer..maybe not even then) is going to be as efficient as a solo healer. Shamans just have more tools for us that are easy to manage. Casting healing rain like /cast @player Healing Rain..riptide..all the awesome totems..etc.. I have all my shamans totems and heals with VFX and can drop any totem or cast any heal them from my tanks window very easy. To get the fullness of any healer..you have to be playing it solo imo. So the best healer on paper for a mythic group might not be best for us.
    Currently 5 Boxing 5 Protection Paladins on Whisperwind Alliance
    The Power of Five!!! ( short video )

  5. #15

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    I agree completely. I always am trying to think on what could make the comp better - but I think it's getting as close to solid in the current era as it can be. The good news is there is still options to be had

  6. #16

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    I really want to try a monk healer, mine is fresh 120 and im not sure i feel like doing the grind with him for gear and essences. Ill prb just stick with the pal+resto sham and 3 hunters until the expansion. My holy pal is geared out and has R3 and R4 essences ..those are a pain to do from scratch. The holy pal was not a great healer for my team..good for the tank when needed.. but topping the whole team off when shit hit the fan was not easy hehe. Im looking forward to Shadowlands.. seems like it will be way more alt friendly.
    Currently 5 Boxing 5 Protection Paladins on Whisperwind Alliance
    The Power of Five!!! ( short video )

  7. #17

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    This is the main reason why I like Resto Shaman - the single target heals are weak is the only downside but with the prot paladin. It covers that weak area.
    For AoE heals you have Healing Rain going at all times, and potentially 2x healing stream totems.
    Then to suppliment you have chain heal which is a smart heal that also heals your pets in the process. (This is something I noticed on the monk healer, the pets would die if your not casting mend pet on the hunter (slight loss of dps I think since it takes up a gcd).

    On top of all of that you have Healing Tide Totem (monk equivalent would be renewal).
    Spirit Link Totem ( I should use this more honestly)
    Ascendance( This is my favorite heal of the bunch, I currently combine it with spiritwalkers grace) and I have 15 seconds to run around just spamming massive heals. (I guess it feels like a druid at this point).

    Holy paladin as a side note does insane dps when played solo for a healer. They are super op right now and I'm surprised their glimmer build hasn't been further nerfed.

  8. #18

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellay View Post
    The information is a bit skewed in favor of Resto Druid / Holy Paladin and it's not apples to apples but this gives you a high level overview of what works for comps based off everyones logs.

    https://bestkeystone.com/#/compositions

    Your able to sort by Tank / Healer and see how they all perform - what % the keys are successful... and yikes. After looking at the information the Prot Paladin is the worst matchup for a Resto Shaman. (maybe I need to rethink my comp?)
    .. looking further the Mistweaver Monk is the best healer for a Prot Paladin. (Based off of successful keys).

    HMM!

    Thanks Ellay, this confirms my suspicions about the resto shaman healer in BFA.

    First Brewmaster for the reasons stated:
    1. Stagger mechanic smooths out big spikes which RSHM has trouble with.
    2. Poison / Disease dispel which RSHM doesn't have.
    3. Excellent mobility which RSHM cannot help with.
    4. Knockback with ring of peace.


    Then what supports go well with Brewmaster, to fill further gaps

    Fury
    1. Piercing howl AoE snare and pure phys for Brew's mystic touch 5% phys dmg
    2. Battle Shout damage buff
    3. Excellent cleave


    Beast
    1. Traps
    2. Ranged spec with excellent mobility
    3. Enraged dispel with spirit beast


    Outlaw
    1. Shroud
    2. Excellent cleave
    3. Good utility in kicks, blind and gouge



    If you prefer RSHM for M+ this is the best comp to run, by far and the stats on that page illustrate it. I also suspect Brew / RSHM / 3* BM is also powerful but not as good.

  9. #19

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    If your planning on running a Fury and Outlaw you'll get full use out of your Monk as well, with their melee oriented DPS. So that is a huge boon as well.

    The only caveat is melee is definitely tougher than a ranged team when it comes to mechanics.

  10. #20

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellay View Post
    If your planning on running a Fury and Outlaw you'll get full use out of your Monk as well, with their melee oriented DPS. So that is a huge boon as well.

    The only caveat is melee is definitely tougher than a ranged team when it comes to mechanics.
    I've been thinking about this and if you can keep them fully synced with the tank it might not be as difficult as ranged is. Apart from quaking weeks there isn't much to worry about with having them stacked. It would make weeks like sanguine much easier as well. I vividly recall how awful King's Rest was on my warlock comp. So I definitely don't think ranged have it easier than melee for BFA M+.

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